Is TULIP biblical?

[journeyman]

It does apply to every human being by nature.

Then you are saying it doesn't matter whether you teach a child anything about the sexual identity he or she is born with.

This is the problem. Calvanisms' belief that all humans are "born that way."

 

[brightfame52]

Then you are saying it doesn't matter whether you teach a child anything about the sexual identity he or she is born with.

This is the problem. Calvanisms' belief that all humans are "born that way."

Im saying this applies to all human beings by nature Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[journeyman]

Im saying this applies to all human beings by nature Rom 8:7-8

You're saying homosexuals are born that way. You're wrong. It's against the nature God made us with.

 

[brightfame52]

You're saying homosexuals are born that way. You're wrong. It's against the nature God made us with.

Im saying all men enter the world by natural birth like this Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[journeyman]

Im saying all men enter the world by natural birth like this Rom 8:7-8

Paul isn't saying people are born as homosexuals. He's saying they became that way.

 

[brightfame52]

Paul isn't saying people are born as homosexuals. He's saying they became that way.

Im saying all men enter the world by natural birth like this Rom 8:7-8

 

[journeyman]

Im saying all men enter the world by natural birth like this Rom 8:7-8

No we don't because infants are blameless. They have no knowledge of homosexuality, murder, all the things Paul lists that the knowledge of good and evil (the law) require.

Unless mankind somehow sinned before birth, had the memory of it wiped away and given a second chance.

Could you imagine the magnitute of Gods' mercy if fallen angels had a second chance?
Seems impossible.

 

[brightfame52]

No we don't because infants are blameless. They have no knowledge of homosexuality, murder, all the things Paul lists that the knowledge of good and evil (the law) require.

Unless mankind somehow sinned before birth, had the memory of it wiped away and given a second chance.

Could you imagine the magnitute of Gods' mercy if fallen angels had a second chance?
Seems impossible.

Scripture says this about all men by nature: Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[journeyman]

Scripture says this about all men by nature: Rom 8:7-8

No but about the "nature of homosexuality" and so on,

we curse men which are made after the similitude of God. Jas.3:9 KJV

 

[brightfame52]

No but about the "nature of homosexuality" and so on,

we curse men which are made after the similitude of God. Jas.3:9 KJV

Scripture says this about all men by nature: Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[journeyman]

Seems deleting a post with no reason speaks for itself.

 

[brightfame52]

Gods word states that all men are born by nature in this spiritual condition Rom 3:9-20

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

All of us by nature are under the power and control of sin, even the most religous and moral of mankind.