Bible Study Israel-Palestine conflict

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There is no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile (Gal 3:28-29, Eph 2:11-22). There is no difference. They are both the same bride.

That's in the Church. Not Israel.

No, Israel is the wife, who has been divorced. (Jer. 3:8) The Church is a chaste virgin. (2 Cor. 11:2) Do I need to explain the difference?

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[Doug Brents]

That's in the Church. Not Israel.

No, Israel is the wife, who has been divorced. (Jer. 3:8) The Church is a chaste virgin. (2 Cor. 11:2) Do I need to explain the difference?

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Only the unbelieving branches of the Jews were cut off from the tree, and any who turn to belief will be grafted back in. The nation was not divorced, only the individuals who disbelieved.

Jer 3:8 juxtaposes Israel and Judah (the divided kingdom). It is not a reference to the entirety of the Jewish nation. The complete body of the saved, from Adam to the Judgement make up the ONE Body. That body is Israel; the union of all the natural branches and the unnatural branches grafted into one tree.

 

[Quantrill]

Only the unbelieving branches of the Jews were cut off from the tree, and any who turn to belief will be grafted back in. The nation was not divorced, only the individuals who disbelieved.

Jer 3:8 juxtaposes Israel and Judah (the divided kingdom). It is not a reference to the entirety of the Jewish nation. The complete body of the saved, from Adam to the Judgement make up the ONE Body. That body is Israel; the union of all the natural branches and the unnatural branches grafted into one tree.

Believing Jews today are not grafted into Israel. Believing Jews today become part of the Church. You say the nation was not divorced, yet God says otherwise. (Jer. 3:8) (Hosea 2:1-13)

Both Israel and Judah were divorced. (Jer. 3:10-14) Judah was worse than Israel.

No, there is no one complete body of the saved. You have those from Adam to Moses, which were not Israel. You have Israel from Moses to Christ. You have the Church from Pentecost to Rapture. You have the Tribulation saints. You will have the Millennial saints divided into Israel and the saved nations.

You see. Your and others efforts to throw all these into one bag and shake it up and call it all Israel, results in nothing but confusion.

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[Doug Brents]

Believing Jews today are not grafted into Israel. Believing Jews today become part of the Church. You say the nation was not divorced, yet God says otherwise. (Jer. 3:8) (Hosea 2:1-13)

Both Israel and Judah were divorced. (Jer. 3:10-14) Judah was worse than Israel.

No, there is no one complete body of the saved. You have those from Adam to Moses, which were not Israel. You have Israel from Moses to Christ. You have the Church from Pentecost to Rapture. You have the Tribulation saints. You will have the Millennial saints divided into Israel and the saved nations.

You see. Your and others efforts to throw all these into one bag and shake it up and call it all Israel, results in nothing but confusion.

Quantrill

So many false doctrines in here, it is mind-blowing. The tribulation is occurring NOW. The Millennium will occur in Heaven, after this Earth is completely destroyed by fire. But all of that is for other threads and other discussions.

Yes, both Israel and Judah were "divorced"/exiled and cast out because of their unbelief in the passage in Jeremiah. But that is irrelevant to the discussion. The nation was redeemed and brought back to Jerusalem before Jesus.

The Jews in the first century (other than the believing Jews) were cut off from the tree (Israel). Those who later believed were grafted back in. Those who did not believe were cast into the fire (Hell).
Gentiles were never part of the tree, but were able to be grafted in and become a part of the tree. The Church is that group of branches that have been grafted in. The Church is now part of the tree (Israel), thus it is proper to say that the Church is Israel (even though there is more to the tree than just the Church), just as, if you see a branch of an apple tree, you can say, "That is an apple tree."

 

[Quantrill]

So many false doctrines in here, it is mind-blowing. The tribulation is occurring NOW. The Millennium will occur in Heaven, after this Earth is completely destroyed by fire. But all of that is for other threads and other discussions.

Yes, both Israel and Judah were "divorced"/exiled and cast out because of their unbelief in the passage in Jeremiah. But that is irrelevant to the discussion. The nation was redeemed and brought back to Jerusalem before Jesus.

The Jews in the first century (other than the believing Jews) were cut off from the tree (Israel). Those who later believed were grafted back in. Those who did not believe were cast into the fire (Hell).
Gentiles were never part of the tree, but were able to be grafted in and become a part of the tree. The Church is that group of branches that have been grafted in. The Church is now part of the tree (Israel), thus it is proper to say that the Church is Israel (even though there is more to the tree than just the Church), just as, if you see a branch of an apple tree, you can say, "That is an apple tree."

No, the emphasis in (Rom. 11) is the contrast between the Gentiles and Israel. The Church involves both believing Jews and Gentiles.

That Israel is the wife of God the Father, and the Church is the bride and future wife of Christ is not irrelevant. Yet you want to mix them together and create confusion.

Gentiles were saved prior to the Church. They were proselytes to the nation Israel and it's God.. But many Gentiles were saved from Adam to Moses before any Jews existed.

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