James 2: Claiming Salvation without works

also must believe all Jesus said mk 16:16
eph is past tense and refers to the redemption accomplished by Christ apart from us
thks
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 
Semantics. Just don't turn submit and obey into salvation by works. Faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 26:18) implied in repentance (Acts 20:21) is how we are.transferred out of the kingdom of Satan into the kingdom of God; into the kingdom of His dear Son. We must not confuse cause and effect.

Repent means confessing Jesus as LORD.

This is how we obey the Gospel.
 
The Greek words for "pistis" and "pisteuo" are two forms of the same word. "Pistis" is the noun form, "pisteuo" is the verb form. Nothing in the root meaning of either word carries any concept of works. If you believe in/have faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, then you are trusting in Him alone to save you.

*Notice that believe (Acts 16:31) and faith (Ephesians 2:8) have the same end result. Salvation.

Now although this belief results in actions appropriate to the belief (to one degree or the other/all genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful -- Matthew 13:23) the actions are NOT INHERENT in the belief.

Believe is a verb, it’s denotes action; something we do.

Believe and obey are used interchangeably in scripture.


Disobedience is unbelief.

Faith without the corresponding action of obedience is dead.


And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” Matthew 9:20-22


If the woman with the issue of blood remained back behind the crowds and said I believe Jesus can heal me without me ever touching Him, then the faith she received from God would have remained dead; dormant, inactive and incomplete and therefore unable to bring forth the manifestation of her healing.

  • For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.”

God instructed her to touch the hem of His garment.
At this point she now has Faith.

However it wasn’t until she moved forward through the crowd and touched the hem of His garment that the anointing that was on Him was released into her and she was healed.


Thank goodness this woman wasn’t a Calvinist, because she would have said… that’s a false gospel of works I’m not doing that.



JLB
 
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
baptismal regeneration is the only life in Christ gal 3:27

baptism is included in the christian faith mentioned in those verses and Jn 3:15-16
 
baptismal regeneration is the only life in Christ gal 3:27

baptism is included in the christian faith mentioned in those verses and Jn 3:15-16
Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

And it don't say he who believes is saved!

So don’t negate the word of God or the eternal words of Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.

the faith required by the words: "he does not believe is condemned" are the very words of Christ! he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by “faith alone”! Rom 13:11
Or that we died with Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we put in Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we are in the church by “faith alone”!

thks
 
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
acts8:35-39

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
 
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
acts 10:47

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

(((baptism)))

Amen?
 
baptismal regeneration is the only life in Christ gal 3:27

baptism is included in the christian faith mentioned in those verses and Jn 3:15-16
baptismal regeneration means born again
new life in Christ by His grace ez 36:25-27
Jn 3:5
Matt 28:19
act 2:38-39
titus 3:5

brought to life, the life of God in us (grace)
Jn 1:16-17
Jn 10:10
Jn 14:6
eph 2:1 & 5
thks
 
Believe is a verb, it’s denotes action; something we do.

Believe and obey are used interchangeably in scripture.
Your mixed up theology here culminates in salvation by faith and works. Just as I suspected all along. Sigh.
Disobedience is unbelief.
Refusing to believe the gospel is the act of disobedience that condemns. (Romans 10:16; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) Multiple acts of disobedience in general (lifestyle or bent of life) are a manifestation of unbelief.
Faith without the corresponding action of obedience is dead.
Faith that produces no obedience at all demonstrates that its a dead faith and not genuine faith.
And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” Matthew 9:20-22

If the woman with the issue of blood remained back behind the crowds and said I believe Jesus can heal me without me ever touching Him, then the faith she received from God would have remained dead; dormant, inactive and incomplete and therefore unable to bring forth the manifestation of her healing.
Jesus emphasizied that it was her faith, and not merely a physical touch, that was the source of her healing. Touching Jesus was a manifestation of her faith.
For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.”

God instructed her to touch the hem of His garment.
At this point she now has Faith.
No, touching his garment was a demonstration of her faith but not the origin of it. Does Ephesians 2:8 say we are saved by grace through faith + plus touching the garment of Jesus or simply faith?
However it wasn’t until she moved forward through the crowd and touched the hem of His garment that the anointing that was on Him was released into her and she was healed.
She was healed physically from her flow of blood but it was still her faith that saved her.
Thank goodness this woman wasn’t a Calvinist, because she would have said… that’s a false gospel of works I’m not doing that.
That woman touched the garment of Jesus believing that she would be healed from her flow of blood. She was not expecting to obtain salvation based on the merits of touching his garment. BTW: I'm not a Calvinist.
 
THE SACRAMENTS
249. What is a Sacrament?
A Sacrament is an outward sign of inward grace, ordained by Jesus Christ, by which grace is given to our souls.
250. Do the Sacraments always give grace?
The Sacraments always give grace to those who receive them worthily.
251. Whence have the Sacraments the power of giving grace?
The Sacraments have the power of giving grace from the merits of Christ's Precious Blood, which they apply to our souls.
252. Ought we to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments?
We ought to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments, because they are the chief means of our salvation.
253. Is a character given to the soul by any of the Sacraments? A character is given to the soul by the Sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Order.
254. What is a character?
A character is a mark or seal on the soul which cannot be effaced, and therefore the Sacrament conferring it may not be repeated.
255. How many Sacraments are there?
There are seven Sacraments: Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Eucharist, Penance, Extreme Unction, Holy Order, and Matrimony.
To Top BAPTISM
256. What is Baptism?
Baptism is a Sacrament which cleanses us from original sin, makes us

Christians, children of God, and members of the Church.
257. Does Baptism also forgive actual sins?
Baptism also forgives actual sins, with all punishment due to them, when it is received in proper dispositions by those who have been guilty of actual sin.
258. Who is the ordinary minister of Baptism?
The ordinary minister of Baptism is a priest; but any one may baptize in case of necessity, when a priest cannot be had.
259. How is Baptism given?
Baptism is given by pouring water on the head of the child, saying at the same time these words, "I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
260. What do we promise in Baptism?
We promise in Baptism to renounce the devil and all his works and pomps.
261. Is Baptism necessary for salvation?
Baptism is necessary for salvation, because Christ has said, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5.)

thks
 
Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!
The second clause clarifies the first - but he who does not believe will be condemned. If he who believes will be saved (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 1125,26) Then he who believes and is baptized will be saved as well. (Mark 16:16) Yet its still the lack of belief that causes condemnation and not the lack of baptism. (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18)
It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?
If one is an atheist, sure. Yet there are plenty of "nominal" Christians (in various false religions and cults) who have been water baptized (because they beliece it will save them) whose faith falls short of trusting in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Make believers get water baptized all the time. Babies are incapable of believing so infant baptism is unwarranted and unbiblical.
And it don't say he who believes is saved!
That's exactly what Jesus said in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). Also see Luke 8:12; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21 etc..).
So don’t negate the word of God or the eternal words of Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.
That's exactly what you did. I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.
The faith required by the words: "he does not believe is condemned" are the very words of Christ! he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!
I already covered this I can see that you ignore the words of Christ in the second half of Mark 16:16 along with (John 3:15,16,18; 5:25; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) for the sake of your biased church doctrine.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
This is Spirit baptism and not water baptism.
Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by “faith alone”! Rom 13:11
Or that we died with Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we put in Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we are in the church by “faith alone”!
There are numerous passages of scripture that clearly teach, we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 4:4; 10:4; 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6, 9: 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:4, 13 etc..)

Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, baptism? Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone.

*Not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14-24)
 
baptismal regeneration is the only life in Christ gal 3:27

baptism is included in the christian faith mentioned in those verses and Jn 3:15-16
Spirit baptism is not baptismal regeneration and in what sense would believers be water baptized "into Christ?" In the same sense that the Israelites were baptized into Moses. (1 Corinthians 10:2)

There is little dispute that being "baptized into Moses" signified the open allegiance and public identification of the Israelites with Moses as their leader. Moses was formally recognized as the leader of the covenant people.

Water baptism signifies our allegiance and public identification with Christ as our Savior, so it would only be in that sense.
 
baptismal regeneration means born again
new life in Christ by His grace ez 36:25-27
Jn 3:5
Matt 28:19
act 2:38-39
titus 3:5

brought to life, the life of God in us (grace)
Jn 1:16-17
Jn 10:10
Jn 14:6
eph 2:1 & 5
thks
In John 3:5, Jesus said born of water and the Spirit. He did not say born of baptism and the Spirit and He also did not say unless one is water baptized, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. In the very next chapter, Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14 and He connects living water with eternal life in John 4:14. Also, in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.

If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. So, to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.

Also "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)

In Matthew 28:19, Jesus says to go and make disciples and baptize them. Nothing there about baptismal regeneration.

In Acts 2:38, for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

In regard to Titus 3:5, the washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration."

Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the word of God through the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. Water baptism is the picture but is not the reality. The washing of regeneration is signified but not procured in water baptism. False religion turns symbols and shadows of our salvation into the substance and the source.
 
acts 10:47

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

(((baptism)))

Amen?
These Gentiles were baptized AFTER they believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and also spoke in tongues (spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism.
 
acts8:35-39

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
The eunuch was saved at this point when he made his profession of faith - "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." (Acts 8:37) ..but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. (John 20:31)
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Water baptism followed believing unto salvation.
 
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