Jeffress: ‘You can’t be saved being a Jew’

[Jim Parker]

Can a gentile remain humble enough to stay grafted on.

Sure hope so.....

 

[eddif]

Sure hope so.....

Hebrews 3:12 KJV
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

I don’t think I play fair at times. High minded Gentiles need encouragement to behave correctly and warning to avoid sin.
Really isn’t my idea, but what the Word says.
1. Get folks to admitt sin and feel lost -repentance.
2. Present the solution Christ provided - salvation
3. Keep them from falling away.

Someone else may have a 5 step plan.

Add quickining spirit?,
Add Holy Spirit?
Other?

Redneck
eddif

 

[JohnDB]

Firstly,
We say as a matter of speech that we are "saved" or "have been saved" because God has never and will never break a promise. But the actual time of salvation is after our Earthly life is ended.

Secondly...
Religious beliefs and nationality go hand in hand for most of the world throughout history. The one country that is the notable exception is America. And that exception didn't really come in to play untill well after the civil war. (Many denominations but everyone was Christian except for Jewish immigrants)

To this day a person can become Jewish by adoption. And there is a formal adoption process in the Jewish Temple for this purpose. (It's how Gentile believers could become believers....as in the story of The Faith of the Centurion) but Gentile believers were still relegated to the Court of the Gentiles until the 11th or 14th generation (unless my memory is failing) and all those subsequent generations had to follow all marriage and requirements of the Law.

So today with the New Covenant...things are different. But God doesn't change.

and it is those of the Old Covenant together with those from the New who complete the work of God.

 

[WIP]

Romans 11:17 KJV
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I will stop here, to keep it fairly short.

The point?
Can a gentile remain humble enough to stay grafted on.

eddif

I believe so long as we abide in Him and don't reject Him.

 

[eddif]

the actual time of salvation is after our Earthly life is ended.

I agree that at the last trump we are changed, and at the throne some are saved as though by fire.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

all marriage and requirements of the Law.

So today with the New Covenant...things are different. But God doesn't change.

Revelation 19:6 KJV
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The new covenant is the reality and not a shadow / type of things to come.

Redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

Galatians 2:8 KJV
For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

Out of the two (Jew & Gentile) was made one new man. Much like out of male and female was made one new child.

Got to love the debth of symbolism. Two different context areas, but both bearing much similarities, and used that we might learn. Romans 1:20

Redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

Ephesians 3:18 KJV
May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Both Jew and Gentile.

Pretty broad

eddif

 

[ezra]

and at the throne some are saved as though by fire.

what throne are you talking about ?

 

[eddif]

what throne are you talking about ?

I Corinthians 3:13 KJV
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

II Corinthians 5:10 KJV
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I have not gotten my statement from a denominational or non-denominational statement, but just knowing at the end we do not carry sin into heaven. Fire can consume or purify.

I was commenting in a general way in response to JohnBD.

I do not wish to carry on a long discussion of trying to make it fit an existing belief or start my own explanation.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[ezra]

I Corinthians 3:13 KJV
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

II Corinthians 5:10 KJV
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I have not gotten my statement from a denominational or non-denominational statement, but just knowing at the end we do not carry sin into heaven. Fire can consume or purify.

I was commenting in a general way in response to JohnBD.

I do not wish to carry on a long discussion of trying to make it fit an existing belief or start my own explanation.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

i agree with scriptures i was just wondering if u meant we got saved up in heaven when we die is all .

 

[eddif]

i agree with scriptures i was just wondering if u meant we got saved up in heaven when we die is all .

Of course this comment may get me in trouble, but I will take a chance.

When we confess Jesus we are prophetically saved as we can get. When our name is double checked in the book of life and we enter heaven the complete work is totally completed. Not much difference in prophetically and completely.

The Bible does have a throne at the resurrection. Each of us might make a little different statement, but all statements should be pretty much the same.


eddif

 

[ezra]

we are saved down here but the ultimate salvation is up there yes there are thrones in heaven

 

[eddif]

Back to saving a Jew.

Just because a thing is prophesied does not mean there is no opposition to bringing about the desired end.

The messiah is prophesied
Mary wonders at the situation
Joseph is told it is ok to keep Mary
Male babies are killed to try and destroy Jesus
Egypt is a sanctuary for Jesus
Jewish priests oppose Jesus
Jesus escapes stoning because he must be crucified.
Etc.

The list is huge. The Law has hidden meaning that will always exist. Discovering the reality / body / Jesus that cast the hidden meaning is a way of bringing out the hidden ultimate realities.


Gentile conversion is a little different but uses Jewish history.

Hey. I have welding goggles on that prevent seeing clearly the spiritual realities myself.

Paul went to Gentiles mainly
Peter went to Jews mainly

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

we are saved down here but the ultimate salvation is up there yes there are thrones in heaven

I’m gonna faint and fall out.
Got to love agreement on a level.

eddif

 

[ezra]

I’m gonna faint and fall out.
Got to love agreement on a level.

eddif

its Bible

 

[Randy]

what are your thoughts ?the questioned was asked to jesus who can be saved Luke 18: …25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to pass through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” 27 But Jesus said, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”…

so aside from pastor Jeffress can a jew be saved ? i have no other transcript of the pastor saying this or farther explanation of him saying this. often a preacher will make a statement like this. to make a illustration...who then can be saved are we as gentiles any better than the jew ?

Whoever calls on the Lord will be saved.

 

[Tessa]

We haven't a clue who will be saved
Only God knows who will be saved

 

[jasonc]

Firstly,
We say as a matter of speech that we are "saved" or "have been saved" because God has never and will never break a promise. But the actual time of salvation is after our Earthly life is ended.

Secondly...
Religious beliefs and nationality go hand in hand for most of the world throughout history. The one country that is the notable exception is America. And that exception didn't really come in to play untill well after the civil war. (Many denominations but everyone was Christian except for Jewish immigrants)

To this day a person can become Jewish by adoption. And there is a formal adoption process in the Jewish Temple for this purpose. (It's how Gentile believers could become believers....as in the story of The Faith of the Centurion) but Gentile believers were still relegated to the Court of the Gentiles until the 11th or 14th generation (unless my memory is failing) and all those subsequent generations had to follow all marriage and requirements of the Law.

So today with the New Covenant...things are different. But God doesn't change.

and it is those of the Old Covenant together with those from the New who complete the work of God.

i have a cousin that is adopted into being a Cranman. there are augusta cranmans who might be a bunch of those. I haven't met them. if they have that name im related.

 

[Jim Parker]

Whoever calls on the Lord will be saved.

Right
WHOEVER