It is silly and prideful on top of that. Plus, it makes multiple unwarranted assumptions. Just because Jesus was sinless doesnt mean we can be.
I have yet to observe anyone over 18 never having sinned even once after being saved.
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I have yet to observe anyone over 18 never having sinned even once after being saved.
7 of them are false and wrong. A little bit of truth in them, sure, but they have much false doctrine.
Tell me, when was the last time you spent more time on a thing not related to God than God?
And HOW DO YOU KNOW?? Did you track your time spent? How?
And HOW DO YOU KNOW?? Did you track your time spent? How?
Depends on your definition of Christian.
Believe in Jesus' existence: yes
Following God's Commands: only some, but breaking even one is counted as breaking all.
Both the above: Only half.
Am i incorrect?
Yknow whats a false doctrine? S.P.!!
Romans 3:23
You cannot appeal to "oh but old Testament" this time!
ALL. Even saints.
A tree is known not by its leaf, branch or flower, but by its fruit. Don't put label on yourself or other people, because at the end, all will be judged not for their identity, but for their work.
One sin cost Adam and Eve everything.
One sin cost Moses an entry to the promised land.
One sin cost Ananias and Sapphira their lives.
See the pattern ?
I spent 15 minutes driving to supper this evening.
But even that turned into an opportunity to speak with a man about sinlessness.
May God be glorified !
That fifteen minutes was an estimate.
Did Jesus sin ?
Was Paul wasting his time when he wrote...
"Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Cor 5:21)
"Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you." (2 Cor 13:11)
If we couldnt retain being sinless when everything was perfect, why do you expect that we can, after everything has been ruined?
Thanks for handing me a hammer to hit your worldview.
That is a goal. In no way does that mean it can be achieved forever on this earth.
it may be sustained for a linited amount of time, but there is no reason to assume that your future sinlessness streak while on earth will not be broken.
It is amazing to me that these passages are offered in support of the heresy of sinless perfection!
Matthew 5:46-48
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
To whom is Jesus speaking in this passage? Jews (vs. 47). Was he speaking to them before or after the cross? Before. So, then, the Jews to whom Jesus was speaking were still under the Old Covenant, unable to access the "new and living way" (Hebrews 10:20) in which post-Calvary, born-again disciples of Christ exist as redeemed "temples of the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19-20) who have direct and permanent access to a supernatural empowerment for holy living that no Old Covenant Jew enjoyed (Philippians 2:13; Romans 8:9-14; Ephesians 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:18, etc.).
When, then, Jesus said what he did in Matthew 5:48, it was to emphasize the impossibility of any Jew ever meeting the standard (as their history as a nation in the OT demonstrates), in so doing "priming the pump" among the Jews for the New Covenant he would establish in himself through the Atonement (John 1:29; John 3:16; John 14:6; 2 Corinthians 5:18-21).
So it was that Christ said nothing in his Sermon on the Mount about the empowering of the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3;18; Romans 8:13; Philippians 2:13; Galatians 5:16), of a new and necessary spiritual birth and nature found in himself (Romans 8:9-10; 1 John 5:11-12; John 3:3), of co-crucifixion with himself (Romans 6:1-11; Galatians 2:20; Galatians 5:24; Colossians 2:9-12), of walking in the Spirit that they might not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16, 25). These all are absolutely vital to living a holy, righteous life but Jesus does not mention them, speaking instead only within an Old Covenant context.
Matthew 5:48, then, is not a command issued by Christ that he expected his Old Covenant Jewish audience to achieve. Their entire national history showed they could not. Matthew 5:48 simply put all hope of meeting God's standard completely out of reach of his audience, prompting the Jews listening to Jesus to look for another way to be reconciled to God which Jesus would, in time, provide through his saving, redemptive work on the cross.
1 Corinthians 15:33-34
33 Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”
34 Wake up from your drunken stupor, as is right, and do not go on sinning. For some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.
Why is Paul saying this to the born-again believers at Corinth? Because they were sinlessly perfect? Obviously not. And Paul was speaking to born-again believers:
1 Corinthians 15:31
31 I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!
1 Corinthians 15:1
1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you...
1 Corinthians 15:11
11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
1 Corinthians 15:17
17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
It was to born-again brethren Paul said, "Wake up from your drunken stupor, and don't go on sinning" which means that born-again brethren were not sinlessly perfect. Paul indicated the same thing in 1 Corinthians 3 where he calls the sinning Corinthian believers "carnal infants in Christ" (3:1) and accuses them of jealousy and divisive partisanship (3:3). But these same contentious and carnal people, Paul confirms repeatedly in the chapter were ALSO born-again children of God:
1 Corinthians 3:1
1 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:9
9 ...You are God’s field, God’s building.
1 Corinthians 3:16
16 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17
17 ...God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.
1 Corinthians 3:23
23 and you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.
It's crystal clear, then, that Christians do sin and are not ejected from God's family and kingdom when they do. See also: Revelation 2-3, Galatians 3:1-3, Ephesians 5:1-13; Romans 6:1-6, etc.
Continued below.
2 Corinthians 13:11
11 Finally, brethren, rejoice, be made complete, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.
I don't see anywhere in this verse a command from Paul to Christians to be sinlessly perfect. Instead, he implies that the believers in Corinth are in a process toward ever-greater sanctification which means, of course, that they were not already sinlessly perfect:
"Be made complete" not "already are made complete." Why enjoin Christians to this completion if they are already enjoying it? Obviously, Paul wrote this because the born-again believers at Corinth were not sinlessly perfect. And much of his two letters to the believers at Corinth make this abundantly clear. See above.
1 Peter 1:13-16
13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance,
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
16 because it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy."
As in the instances above, the question that comes immediately to mind in considering what Peter wrote in this passage is "Why?" Especially if Peter's Christian readers were all sinlessly perfect, his remarks to them here make no sense. One has no need to urge better living upon those who are utterly without flaw - perfect - in their living. So, then, why does Peter communicate the things in this passage that he does? Well, obviously, because they were not sinlessly perfect. And, too, nowhere in the passage from 1 Peter 1 does Peter ever say that his readers were sinlessly perfect.
1 Peter 4:1-2
1 Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
2 so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
Here, as well, the same question of "Why?" arises. Why should Peter write such things to those who were sinlessly perfect? The perfect need no such commands. Implicit, then, in Peter's words here is the fact that his readers needed to be enjoined to such conduct. Why? Obviously, because they were not yet perfect in it. So it is that Peter never says his readers are sinlessly perfect and never indicates that such a state is achievable. They ought to cease from sin, yes, but he doesn't say they have ceased utterly from sin and are become sinlessly perfect. We know Peter himself was not sinlessly perfect, yielding to the pressure of Judaizers and dealing with partiality toward them, neglecting Gentile believers so that Paul had finally to rebuke him for doing so (Galatians 2:11-16).
Is Peter addressing born-again believers in his remarks above? Absolutely, he is:
1 Peter 1:1-5
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen
2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 5:9-10
9 But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.
10 After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you.
So it is that all your proof-texts above, upon inspection, fall well short of confirming your sinlessly perfect false teaching. This is no surprise, however, since the apostle John warned very directly about the consequence of holding to such a belief:
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
11 Finally, brethren, rejoice, be made complete, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.
I don't see anywhere in this verse a command from Paul to Christians to be sinlessly perfect. Instead, he implies that the believers in Corinth are in a process toward ever-greater sanctification which means, of course, that they were not already sinlessly perfect:
"Be made complete" not "already are made complete." Why enjoin Christians to this completion if they are already enjoying it? Obviously, Paul wrote this because the born-again believers at Corinth were not sinlessly perfect. And much of his two letters to the believers at Corinth make this abundantly clear. See above.
1 Peter 1:13-16
13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance,
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
16 because it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy."
As in the instances above, the question that comes immediately to mind in considering what Peter wrote in this passage is "Why?" Especially if Peter's Christian readers were all sinlessly perfect, his remarks to them here make no sense. One has no need to urge better living upon those who are utterly without flaw - perfect - in their living. So, then, why does Peter communicate the things in this passage that he does? Well, obviously, because they were not sinlessly perfect. And, too, nowhere in the passage from 1 Peter 1 does Peter ever say that his readers were sinlessly perfect.
1 Peter 4:1-2
1 Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
2 so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
Here, as well, the same question of "Why?" arises. Why should Peter write such things to those who were sinlessly perfect? The perfect need no such commands. Implicit, then, in Peter's words here is the fact that his readers needed to be enjoined to such conduct. Why? Obviously, because they were not yet perfect in it. So it is that Peter never says his readers are sinlessly perfect and never indicates that such a state is achievable. They ought to cease from sin, yes, but he doesn't say they have ceased utterly from sin and are become sinlessly perfect. We know Peter himself was not sinlessly perfect, yielding to the pressure of Judaizers and dealing with partiality toward them, neglecting Gentile believers so that Paul had finally to rebuke him for doing so (Galatians 2:11-16).
Is Peter addressing born-again believers in his remarks above? Absolutely, he is:
1 Peter 1:1-5
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen
2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 5:9-10
9 But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.
10 After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you.
So it is that all your proof-texts above, upon inspection, fall well short of confirming your sinlessly perfect false teaching. This is no surprise, however, since the apostle John warned very directly about the consequence of holding to such a belief:
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Can you rephrase that, so I can understand your perspective ?
You seem to be referring to some past event.
It seemed more like an admonishment for the posers in their midst.
Thank God for all the exhortations, admonissions, fellowship, bishops, and the gift of the Holy Ghost; intended to keep us on our toes !
The lazy will eventually fall back into darkness, but those intent on their love for God and neighbor won't.
It is amazing to me that you think they somehow accommodate sin !
God won't abide in a polluted temple.
Are you not glad that we can now walk in the light ?
The light that is God ?
In whom is no sin-darkness ?
Or are you going to continue defending walking in darkness ?