Yes, I agree. And since the sword is not literal, but symbolic, then Jesus on a horse is symbolic, and the believers behind him, and the armies arrayed, and the vultures; all symbolic. The whole situation is symbolic to express a truth. I believe the book is mostly a symbolic heavenly perspective of Jesus' works, not a prophetic teller of future events. IMHO
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Jerusalem is the prostitute
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And where did I ever mention Donald Trump!!! You really need not to put words in other's mouth and try to read what one actually post without prejudiced to their understanding. It's not an I am right, you are wrong battle, but a discussion as we reply with our understandings that are not always the same.
Shilohsfoal
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I didn't say you said anything about Donald Trump now did I.
Stop accusing other people of doing things they are not doing.
You are rude.Its time to ignore.
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Enlightenedtruth
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I would actually disagree in some points; while some things are symbolic, some will depict actual events yet to be. There has not been 1,000 years of peace upon this earth yet; and Sin's of men is still a serious problem.
Of course my belief's are kind of unique; and I have no way to prove all that I remember, at least not yet.
That verse does not disprove my point about the whole world needing the atonement of Christ because it is sinful.
Shilohsfoal
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Well,I wasn't talking about the world.Im talking about the prostitute.The city that is responsible for all the righteous blood shed upon earth
Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
The city who's government is responsible for the deaths of all these saints.
Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I understand your perspective. I think the next thing to occur is the return of Jesus; all people will see Him and it's game over for the whole world. I have a way different view of Revelation than most people.
Shilohsfoal
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You don't think netanyahu will get a chance to put microchips in everyone in Israel like he said he would before Jesus comes?
He was working to change the laws before this war broke out.I expect he will continue to attempt to change the laws in Israel after it's over so he can give everyone a chip.
Enlightenedtruth
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Lol, your view of Revelations could never be as crazy as "my view". The Story of Man is not finished yet; we must reach Final Judgement Day for that. And there are still some awful things coming on this earth before Christ will stand up.
Enlightenedtruth
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Netanyahu will do everything he can to keep his "war" going; by doing so he can keep all elections and laws from being. He does not want to face the public for his own failures in what that Hamas group was able to do, to kill so many innocents. He does not want to give up power in any way; and his far right supporters do not make up the majority of the people.
Hi Shilohsfoal
the great city THAT RULES OVER THE KINGS OF THE EARTH. Now, I honestly can't speak for how you see world politics working, but I doubt I could find anyone who describes Jerusalem as ruling over the kings of the earth. I mean, right now today, the kings of the earth are giving Jerusalem what for! She doesn't seem to have much power over them.
God bless,
Ted
I hear you. And that's worthy of consideration, but did you really read this piece that you put up?
the great city THAT RULES OVER THE KINGS OF THE EARTH. Now, I honestly can't speak for how you see world politics working, but I doubt I could find anyone who describes Jerusalem as ruling over the kings of the earth. I mean, right now today, the kings of the earth are giving Jerusalem what for! She doesn't seem to have much power over them.
God bless,
Ted
Hi Shilohsfoal
Let me explain my understanding here. Let's look at what's going on in the Scriptures as these words are being written to us.
John is, and we have no idea what it would be like, but he's having visions of realities to come. Even realities that now exist that we can't see. He claims to see the very throne room of God and on the floor that is a sea of glass he sees a lamb. Looking as it had been slain. This is what's going on at this point of the Scriptures.
Now, at some point John is talking and conversing with this angel who is with him on this grand tour that he's having in a vision. The angel is explaining some of the things that John is seeing. Just as Jesus would often explain his parables to his disciples. Suddenly this vision comes up of a woman riding a beast. At some point, the angel offers John an explanation of 'who' the woman is.
He describes her as: the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
He is telling John the greatest visible proof to us in knowing 'who' this woman is, will be that she is seen to rule over the kings of the earth. It's a descriptor! And I believe it's expected to be the most visible descriptor we should see of that 'woman' as she becomes revealed and known to us at the appointed time that John was seeing in the future.
All I can say, is that, as yet, I've never understood, or heard others refer, to Jerusalem ruling over the kings of the earth.
Anybody?????
God bless,
Ted
Let me explain my understanding here. Let's look at what's going on in the Scriptures as these words are being written to us.
John is, and we have no idea what it would be like, but he's having visions of realities to come. Even realities that now exist that we can't see. He claims to see the very throne room of God and on the floor that is a sea of glass he sees a lamb. Looking as it had been slain. This is what's going on at this point of the Scriptures.
Now, at some point John is talking and conversing with this angel who is with him on this grand tour that he's having in a vision. The angel is explaining some of the things that John is seeing. Just as Jesus would often explain his parables to his disciples. Suddenly this vision comes up of a woman riding a beast. At some point, the angel offers John an explanation of 'who' the woman is.
He describes her as: the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
He is telling John the greatest visible proof to us in knowing 'who' this woman is, will be that she is seen to rule over the kings of the earth. It's a descriptor! And I believe it's expected to be the most visible descriptor we should see of that 'woman' as she becomes revealed and known to us at the appointed time that John was seeing in the future.
All I can say, is that, as yet, I've never understood, or heard others refer, to Jerusalem ruling over the kings of the earth.
Anybody?????
God bless,
Ted
Oh, and just that it's odd, the Vatican, which is just a hundred acres of land, and sits pretty much squat in the middle of the 'city' of Rome, is itself a designated and legally established city. And how great a city it must be, that it would even have the say so of the color of the bathrooms, as far as having rule over the kings of the earth. And yet there are times in history, and especially in the early life of the RCC, (which may explain why the angel chose that descriptor) I think it might be fairly well understood that there was a time that the RCC did have great political power over most of the European and South American kings of the earth. I mean, ultimately it was the power of the Vatican that brought about the Church of England. Even in America we honor and revere the Pope! Although not so much now.
Sadly, we're falling into the hands of Paul's warning of the ways that people will live as time unfolds.
So yea. As I see the nations of the world today. As I understand history of those nations. In all of that, to date, the great city of Vatican is the only city that fits the descriptor.
I'm happy to look into anything that you might have that would indicate that 'the city that rules over the kings of the earth' might be fulfilled in Jerusalem, I'm happy to look into it. BTW up until the U.S. stepped in, Israel couldn't even use their own city as their capitol city because of the power that the kings of the earth have over Israel.
Oh, it could be the U.S. Although technically, it would be Washington with is designated a 'district'. Whatever that might mean as far as the angel calling it a city.
God bless,
Ted
Sadly, we're falling into the hands of Paul's warning of the ways that people will live as time unfolds.
So yea. As I see the nations of the world today. As I understand history of those nations. In all of that, to date, the great city of Vatican is the only city that fits the descriptor.
I'm happy to look into anything that you might have that would indicate that 'the city that rules over the kings of the earth' might be fulfilled in Jerusalem, I'm happy to look into it. BTW up until the U.S. stepped in, Israel couldn't even use their own city as their capitol city because of the power that the kings of the earth have over Israel.
Oh, it could be the U.S. Although technically, it would be Washington with is designated a 'district'. Whatever that might mean as far as the angel calling it a city.
God bless,
Ted
Shilohsfoal
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Oh I'm quite sure Jerusalem will rule over many before it is captured by the beast from the abyss and the ten horns .
The king of the north will see to it that Jerusalem will reign over them for 1260 days.The king of the north is the Israeli government closest ally.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain
He will also devide the west bank as he has proposed.
Hi Shilohsfoal
Ok.
God bless,
Ted
Rule over many 'kings' right, not just people? Ok. We'll see. I did qualify my claim as being how things look in the present. Not being a prophet of God, I can't speak to much that's likely going to happen in the future... except for my drs. appt.
You're saying that's a descriptor of Jerusalem?
Ok.
God bless,
Ted
Shilohsfoal
Member
While Israel bombs everyone it wants.At the moment,Jerusalem does whatever it wants .
You know, it comes to me, that my mention of the legal standing of the area surrounding the home of the Pope might also fit another descriptor.
“After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns. “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
The nation/city of Rome was a terrible beast with iron teeth as relates to its desire to conquer the rule of the known earth at that time. I believe that Rome ultimately consisted of the area ruled by 10 kings that it had established as semi-nation states that were a part of its overall political rule. The period known as the 'Imperium Romanum' the Roman Empire consisted of a vast amount of the globe surrounding the Mediterranean sea and up the western coast to the Scottish Isles. It was broken into areas over which there were 10 separate kings that ruled.
Then a little king comes up. But this king has greater power than the others. So, out of the side of the city of Rome grows Vatican city. A very small and meaningless city according to size or physical power, yet more powerful than any of the other kings. And as the Scriptures seem to include any place of people on the earth with a ruler as their head, it is a kingdom with a ruler. Thus among the 10 grew a small, but very powerful, horn.
Just food for thought on the matter. And the U.S. could fully be the beast that rises up out of the sea.
God bless,
Ted
“After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns. “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
The nation/city of Rome was a terrible beast with iron teeth as relates to its desire to conquer the rule of the known earth at that time. I believe that Rome ultimately consisted of the area ruled by 10 kings that it had established as semi-nation states that were a part of its overall political rule. The period known as the 'Imperium Romanum' the Roman Empire consisted of a vast amount of the globe surrounding the Mediterranean sea and up the western coast to the Scottish Isles. It was broken into areas over which there were 10 separate kings that ruled.
Then a little king comes up. But this king has greater power than the others. So, out of the side of the city of Rome grows Vatican city. A very small and meaningless city according to size or physical power, yet more powerful than any of the other kings. And as the Scriptures seem to include any place of people on the earth with a ruler as their head, it is a kingdom with a ruler. Thus among the 10 grew a small, but very powerful, horn.
Just food for thought on the matter. And the U.S. could fully be the beast that rises up out of the sea.
God bless,
Ted
Hi Shilohsfoal
God bless,
Ted
Really, you see that Jerusalem bombing a little bitty area of its own nation that has been overrun by terrorists as 'ruling over the kings of the earth'? Are you really being serious here? And then, I guess you don't see how all the other nations are up against what Isreal is doing, but in your mind, that means that they're ruling over the kings of the earth. I think I really do have it. Thanks.
God bless,
Ted