Jesus fulfilled the whole law, including the Sabbath

[cj]

Well, I don't know about anyone else on this thread, but I haven't got a clue what either you or Heidi are talking about any more, cj. That's assuming that I knew what you were talking about to begin with. You're both so cryptic that articulating with you guys in plain English just doesn't seem to do it any more.

Clever fella,...... mixing me in with Heidi.

Don't do that, don't be dishonest SputnikBoy.

Heidi says what she wants, and most of it I don't agree with, and tell her so.

As for being "cryptic",.... I receive many PMs regarding the help I give people in bringing them to understand the truth in the scriptures.

Sorry Sputnik,.... the fruit invalidates your conclusion.

Maybe its not my speaking but your veiled perception.

And, it's anybody's guess what YOU do with the commandments, cj, since you regard them as coming from the pits of hell

This is a lie, I have not said that the commandments come from the pit of hell.

Are you now so desperate that you feel bound to lie about what someone says?

Who's your daddy Sputnik?

Can you be honest with anything you say?

Assuming we had sanity to begin with, is there any chance we can return to it on this thread?

Sure, lets just be truthful in whatever we speak about though.

In love,
cj

 

[SputnikBoy]

 

[SputnikBoy]

Well, I don't know about anyone else on this thread, but I haven't got a clue what either you or Heidi are talking about any more, cj. That's assuming that I knew what you were talking about to begin with. You're both so cryptic that articulating with you guys in plain English just doesn't seem to do it any more.

Clever fella,...... mixing me in with Heidi.

Not only that, I sometimes wonder if you're one person posting under two different names. Just kidding!

Don't do that, don't be dishonest SputnikBoy.

Not sure what you mean by that.

Heidi says what she wants, and most of it I don't agree with, and tell her so.

Okay. Good for you.

As for being "cryptic",.... I receive many PMs regarding the help I give people in bringing them to understand the truth in the scriptures.

That's good, cj, really it is. Just as long as you know the truth.

Sorry Sputnik,.... the fruit invalidates your conclusion.

Okay, whatever that means.

Maybe its not my speaking but your veiled perception.

Could be.

And, it's anybody's guess what YOU do with the commandments, cj, since you regard them as coming from the pits of hell

This is a lie, I have not said that the commandments come from the pit of hell.

Isn't that what you said in an earlier post?

Are you now so desperate that you feel bound to lie about what someone says?

If I was wrong about what you said in your post, I apologize.

Who's your daddy Sputnik?

Mr. Sputnik, Snr.

Can you be honest with anything you say?

I can assure you that I'm always as honest as I can be based on the knowledge I have. You're being cryptic again.

Assuming we had sanity to begin with, is there any chance we can return to it on this thread?

Sure, lets just be truthful in whatever we speak about though.

Sounds fair to me.

In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Isn't that what you said in an earlier post?.......

If I was wrong about what you said in your post, I apologize.........

I can assure you that I'm always as honest as I can be based on the knowledge I have. You're being cryptic again.

First - this is what I said in my post....

Guibox.... "Those of us who believe the 10 commandments are still binding obey out of love just like those who believe they are 'under grace' (another misunderstood concept)."

CJ..... "This is a lie from the pit of hell, for the truth is none keep all ten commandments at the same time. God Himself has declared this in His word.

You are a liar if you say you have kept all ten commandments at the same time even for a second.

And if you haven't, and I say you haven't (for God has said it), then you have not kept the 4th commandment; for if you break one you have broken them all.


Men lie when they say they are keeping the 4th commandment by keeping the OT form of Saturday rest and worship."



Try flowwing this SB,..... its not "cryptic".

".... who believe the 10 commandments are still binding obey out of love"

"This is a lie from the pit of hell, for the truth is none keep all ten commandments at the same time. God Himself has declared this in His word."

The "lie" is the claim to being one who obeys the 10 commandments out of love. Which is what I went on to explain in a very clear manner; or so I thought.


SB, because you may not be aware of your dishonesty in speaking, this does not make it honest.

Therefore,..... when you make statements such as this...

"I can assure you that I'm always as honest as I can be based on the knowledge I have. You're being cryptic again."

Try and remember that the flip side of that statement is....

"I am also at the same time as dishonest as I can be based on my lack of knowledge."

Hope this is not to "cryptic" for you.


in love,
cj

 

[SputnikBoy]

Huh?

 

[cj]

Huh?

Allow me to help you some more.....

In order to "obey" the 10 commandments a person must keep all ten commandments every moment they live.

If just one of these commandments is not kept then the person has in fact broken all (not kept any).

Its like this,.... if your mother sends you to the store to buy some milk and says "Go straight there buy the milk and come straight back", and what you actually do is go see a friend on the way then go buy the milk and go straight back.

You did some of what your mother commanded and you got the milk, but going to see your friend made a mockery of your mothers instructions and in fact means that you did not do what your mother asked you to do.


God did not say "Here are 10 commandments go keep those that you can",.... He said here is one commandment that I will break down for you into 10 aspects.


The fact is, no man except Christ Jesus can keep all the commandments, or even any one of the commandments.

I know, you will say "I have not murdered anyone so I have not broken the 6th commandment."

But you would be wrong as Jesus said that the "act" of murder is not where the commandment is broken, but it is in the motive that is where the commandment is broken.

Just being angry (unrighteous anger) at another breaks the commandment.

Following this truth, a person can physically "keep" the Sabbath for his or her entire life yet in their heart they wanted to be doing other things. If this is true oif the person then in God's view they did not keep the Sabbath for in their hearts there was the wrong motive.

Understand this though, prior to Jesus' incarnation (the coming of God's New Covenant) their was only the Commandments/Moses law, and the ordinances. (Also, at times God also used prophets to speak to the Jews.)

But when Jesus came, all these types/shadows were no longer the point of focus as the reality of the types/shadows was now here with men.

With the coming of Jesus men now needed to focus on/receive Jesus and take their focus off the types/shadows.

But lets not get ahead of ourselves;...... Back to men keeping the Commandments/Moses law, the ordinances, and the prophets....

The fact is, the first two commandments are the foundation on which all the other commandments sit. And why? Because of a thing called love.

Love is the essential core of being right with God.

Love God and love your neighbor,... be right with God.

Today, are all "Sabbath Day-keepers" right with God according to loving both Him and their neighbors? At all time and in all places?

Is today's "Sabbath Day" abiding in perfect love?

For if not, then whichever "Sabbath Day-keeper" is not then they are simply mocking God and fooling themself.

And honestly, the fact is, all men are fallen, none are perfect and so none abide in perfect love. Therefore none can truly "keep" the Sabbath of God.

This is why for someone to say that they "obey out of love" is really the speaking of a deceived mind. There is no unperfected man who can say that they love God. And no man is perfected.

The truth is, today's "Sabbath Day-keeper" is a religious ritual-keeper; keeping rituals for the purpose of serving themselves, serving their concepts of what God wants from men.

The problem is, God does not want man's fallen concepts, God wants Christ.


Tell me, does a "Sabbath Day-keeper" bring Christ to God?

No.

Thus its meaningless to God.

In love,
cj