Jesus in the Quran

[Gary]

Muhammad the deceiver lies about Jesus

This little Muslim theory is so silly it is not even worth a reply.

Muhammad comes on the scene 610 years later..... and now YOU say Jesus was not crucified!

We know Muhammad lied. How would he know what happened to Jesus? Even the Quran is unsure!

P.S. How do YOU know it was Judas? Even Muhammad's booklet does not mention Judas.

 

[Bilal]

Put your petty excuses aside and answer my question.

I think if your worthless, 'Satan urinates in your ear' post got a reply from me, you better give me some answers.

Come on Gary, your quick to throw crap at other religions...

answer the questions... :-D

 

[Gary]

Teaching Muhammad about Jesus

Proof of Jesus being arrested, tortured, and hung on the cross

The proof begins with the identification of Jesus by all twelve disciples (apostles) during the eating of the Last Supper at the Feast of Unleavened Bread on the night before the start of the full Passover commemoration. Afterwards, Judas left them (Matthew 26:17-20).

Then the group proceeded under a full moon with plenty of moonlight (the 14th day of the lunar month of Nisan) (Exodus 12:18) from the place of the Last Supper going east across the Brook Kidron and to the Garden of Gethsemane at the Mount of Olives (Matthew 26:30 Matthew 26:36).

Judas Iscariot came and identified Jesus for the soldiers. Jesus also identified himself. Jesus healed the ear of the servant of the High Priest (Matthew 26:47-56). Later Judas confirmed that he had betrayed an innocent man (Matthew 27:3-8). Also, the temple chief priests confirmed that the money given by them to Judas by them was "blood money" (Matthew 27:6).

Jesus went in the custody of the temple soldiers, to the house of Caiaphas. Many leaders were present including the whole great Sanhedrin (the 70 ruling men in the Council). Jesus confirmed that he is the Messiah and the Son of the God. Because of this statement of his, they said Jesus had committed blasphemy and was deserving of death (Matthew 26:57-68).

Jesus was transferred into the Roman custody of Governor Pontius Pilate in the morning (Matthew 27:1-2).

The wife of Pilate stated that she had a dream in the previous night hours that Pilate should have nothing to do with that "righteous man" (Matthew 27:19).

The Roman governor, Pilate, delivered Jesus into the custody of his own professional Roman soldiers (Matthew 27:26).

The Roman soldiers beat Jesus and put a crown of thorns on his head. This distinctively marked his body and the top of his head (Matthew 27:27-30). These wounds, caused by the Roman soldiers, would help identify the body of Jesus all the way to the cross, on the cross, and in post-resurrection appearances.

Jesus remained in the custody of Roman soldiers and was taken to the place of crucifixion (Matthew 27:31-33).

Matthew, who was one of the twelve disciples, records that the Roman soldiers crucified Jesus, which means putting a live person on a cross (Matthew 27:35).

Source: -here-

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And what does the deceiver Muhammad say 610 years later?

:roll:

 

[Gary]

Exposing Muhammad and his booklet

Proof of Jesus remaining on the cross till death

Jesus remained on the cross under guard by the Roman centurion (Matthew 27:54) and soldiers. Some sat down to watch him die (Matthew 27:36-37).

While hanging on the cross he was identified by:

• The Roman centurion (officer over about 100 men) (Matthew 27:54).
  The Roman soldiers watching and who knew the wounds he had previously suffered (Matthew 27:35-36).
  The passersby who had heard him preach (Matthew 27:39-40).
  The chief priests (Matthew 27:41).
  The scribes (Matthew 27:41).
  The elders (Matthew 27:41).
  The two robbers who were also being executed (Matthew 27:44).
  The many women who had seen Jesus before (Matthew 27:55-56).
  John, His disciple (John 19:26)
  Mary, his mother (John 19:26).

Source: -here-

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... and what does Muhammad sayy 610 years later?

:wink:

 

[Bilal]

Re: Teaching Muhammad about Jesus

Proof of Jesus being arrested, tortured, and hung on the cross

The proof begins with the identification of Jesus by all twelve disciples (apostles) during the eating of the Last Supper at the Feast of Unleavened Bread on the night before the start of the full Passover commemoration. Afterwards, Judas left them (Matthew 26:17-20).

No mention of Judas leaving...

Then the group proceeded under a full moon with plenty of moonlight (the 14th day of the lunar month of Nisan) (Exodus 12:18) from the place of the Last Supper going east across the Brook Kidron and to the Garden of Gethsemane at the Mount of Olives (Matthew 26:30 Matthew 26:36).

Judas Iscariot came and identified Jesus for the soldiers. Jesus also identified himself. Jesus healed the ear of the servant of the High Priest (Matthew 26:47-56). Later Judas confirmed that he had betrayed an innocent man (Matthew 27:3-8). Also, the temple chief priests confirmed that the money given by them to Judas by them was "blood money" (Matthew 27:6).

It doesnt mention there that it was a night with plenty of light- so how can you be so sure there wasnt a mix up in the poor light?

Jesus went in the custody of the temple soldiers, to the house of Caiaphas. Many leaders were present including the whole great Sanhedrin (the 70 ruling men in the Council). Jesus confirmed that he is the Messiah and the Son of the God. Because of this statement of his, they said Jesus had committed blasphemy and was deserving of death (Matthew 26:57-68).

Jesus was transferred into the Roman custody of Governor Pontius Pilate in the morning (Matthew 27:1-2).

The wife of Pilate stated that she had a dream in the previous night hours that Pilate should have nothing to do with that "righteous man" (Matthew 27:19).

The Roman governor, Pilate, delivered Jesus into the custody of his own professional Roman soldiers (Matthew 27:26).

The Roman soldiers beat Jesus and put a crown of thorns on his head. This distinctively marked his body and the top of his head (Matthew 27:27-30). These wounds, caused by the Roman soldiers, would help identify the body of Jesus all the way to the cross, on the cross, and in post-resurrection appearances.

Jesus remained in the custody of Roman soldiers and was taken to the place of crucifixion (Matthew 27:31-33).

Matthew, who was one of the twelve disciples, records that the Roman soldiers crucified Jesus, which means putting a live person on a cross (Matthew 27:35).

Source: -here-

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And what does the deceiver Muhammad say 610 years later?

:roll:

And the rest of it is all from the Bible, which is corrupted. What historical accuracy can be given to that Book?

You see, unlike me argument, yours uses no logic.

If thats what you believe, then i ask u again:

While the Bible records the reactions of all bystanders, is doesnt record that of Mary's, the mother of Jesus(pbuh), because their is no reaction of hers worth mentioning. Since she knew the person on the cross wasnt Jesus, she stood watched as the betrayer was punished. Hasnt it occured to you that IF the person on the cross was Jesus, she would have reacted hysterically, what with the pain of labour a woman goes through, and the love a mother shows to her son? NO MOTHER WOULD BE MUTE IN SPECTATING THE DEATH OF HER OWN SON?


Oh and by the way, "And what does the deceiver Muhammad say 610 years later?"- Muhammad doesnt say, the Quran does, and the Quran is not the word of Muhammad (pbuh). Try to learn.

Stick to logic and we'll see where we go, eh?

 

[Gary]

Exposing the deceiver called Muhammad

Proof of the death of Jesus on the cross

Matthew, a disciple, records that Jesus gave up his spirit, died (Matthew 27:50).

The Roman centurion (Matthew 27:54) who was in charge of keeping guard over Jesus, refers to Jesus' life in the past tense after Jesus had died (Matthew 27:54).

The dead body of Jesus was later ordered by the Roman governor to be given to Joseph of Arimathea who wrapped it in a clean linen cloth and who laid the body of Jesus in his own tomb (Matthew 27:59-60).

The chief priests and Pharisees confirmed to the Roman governor that Jesus was dead (Matthew 27:63-64).

Also the chief priests and Pharisees confirmed to the Roman governor that Jesus' body was actually in a grave (Matthew 27:64).

Pilate, the Roman governor appointed a guard for the grave of Jesus’ dead body (Matthew 27:65-66).

An angel of the Lord from Heaven confirmed that Jesus had been crucified, and had been dead (Matthew 28:2-7). The women to whom this message was given told it to Matthew and the other disciples (Matthew 28:7-10).

Source: -here-

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.... and what does Muhammad have to say 610 years later?

:o :o

 

[Gary]

Exposing the deceiver called Muhammad

Proof of the removal of the same dead body of Jesus from the cross

The Roman soldiers had custody of the dead body of Jesus (Matthew 27:54).

Notice that not just anyone could remove the dead body Jesus, the executed prisoner, from the custody of the Romans. Permission had to be obtained from the proper authority who had ordered the execution. In this case, it was the Roman governor, Pilate (Matthew 27:58).

A wealthy Jewish man, Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple and who would recognize Jesus, asked the Roman governor, Pilate, that he, Joseph, be allowed to take custody the dead body of Jesus for the purpose of burial (Matthew 27:57-58). More than 700 years before the time of Jesus, the holy Prophet Isaiah, son of Amoz, wrote about this death and the burial in the grave of a rich man (Isaiah 53:9). At the time of Jesus, the holy Prophet John, the Baptizer, son of the Priest Zacharias, told that Jesus was the sacrificial "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." (John 1:29 and Isaiah 53).

Pilate gave the order that the dead body of Jesus be given to Joseph (Matthew 27:58).

Joseph of Arimathea took away the dead body of Jesus which had been ordered to be given to him by the governor, Pilate, and which was identified to him as such by the soldiers who guarded the body and also from his own identification of Jesus, because he was a disciple of Jesus (Matthew 27:57 & 59).

The chief priests, elders and the soldiers confirmed that the body in the tomb was that of Jesus. It was the same dead body of Jesus that the governor, Pilate, had ordered the soldiers to guard (Matthew 28:11-15).

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.... and what does Muhammad have to say 610 years later?

:o :o

 

[Gary]

Exposing the deceiver called Muhammad

Proof of the placement of that same dead body of Jesus in a tomb

Pilate gave the order that the body be given to Joseph (Matthew 27:58). There is no evidence that any other body was given to Joseph.

Joseph took custody of Jesus’ dead body which had been ordered to be given to him by the governor Pilate and which was identified to him as such by the soldiers who guarded the dead body and which Joseph must have been able to identify himself, because he was a disciple of Jesus (Matthew 27:59).

Joseph kept custody of the body of Jesus and wrapped the body of Jesus in a clean linen cloth for burial (Matthew 27:59).

Joseph laid the wrapped dead body of Jesus in his own new tomb (Matthew 27:60).

Mary Magdalene and the other Mary who had been at the crucifixion came to that very grave (Matthew 27:56 and Matthew 28:1).

An angel of the Lord from Heaven confirmed that Jesus had been dead and buried at that very grave. The angel said, "Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified. He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was laying. And go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead ..." (Matthew 28:5-7)

The body of Jesus was wounded and marked by the beating and the crown of thorns before the crucifixion and it was further marked by the wounds in the hands, the feet and the side while on the cross. Identifiable marks in his hands and side, made by the Roman soldiers, were still visible on Jesus’ body after his resurrection.

He appeared to the apostles "... to whom He also presented Himself alive, after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, being seen by them during forty days, and speaking of the things concerning the Kingdom of God." (Acts 1:3) The details of the miracles, teachings and prophecies made by Jesus are recorded in the Injil, the first four historical Gospels ("Good News" section) of the New Testament of the Holy Bible which are advisable to be diligently studied for great spiritual benefit.

Source: -here-

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.... and what does Muhammad have to say 610 years later?

:o :o

 

[Bilal]

Proof? You have to be joking. Taking all of your ideas from one Book, which itself is doubtful, corrupted, contradictory, etc.? Great proof isnt it.

Im challenging you with argument of LOGIC, my boy, accept it if you will, otherwise i will ignore your tosh, especially as you have failed to answer my questions....

typical of you :roll:

 

[Gary]

We know Muhammad was a liar

The logic is simple.

I believe:

Matthew (an Apostle, an eyewitness)
Mark (a follower of Jesus, taught by Peter)
Luke (a follower of Jesus, walked with Paul)
John (an Apostle, an eyewitness)

....rather than Muhammad .... 610 years later.

That is logic and common sense. By the way, Muhammad did not even mention Judas!

 

[lecoop]

Proof? You have to be joking. Taking all of your ideas from one Book, which itself is doubtful, corrupted, contradictory, etc.? Great proof isnt it.

Im challenging you with argument of LOGIC, my boy, accept it if you will, otherwise i will ignore your tosh, especially as you have failed to answer my questions....

typical of you :roll:

Why do you keep saying that the bible is doubtful, corrupted, contradictory, etc? You know, we could say the same for your book. Mohammad could not even write, so others wrote his sayings down, and much later they were composed into book form. You do you know they got it right? The ONLY way you could know for sure, is if you heard Mohammad with your own ears, and then verified the writing by reading it as it was put down. It is most probable that there was no single book that had all the writings, but rather several books or more written by several scribes. Again, you were not there to verify if they wrote correctly. In fact, there is not one version of how the Koran came to be, but rather several, and they all disagree!

It is said that many good people carried his saying around in their heart, and this for many years, berfore it was written. Well, it is a well know fact that as things are carried around in the human heart, they change! It is said that a man named Zayd collected the Koran "from pieces of papyrus, flat stones, palm leaves, shoulder blades and ribs of animals, pieces of leather and wooden boards, as well as from the hearts of men."

Personally, I would rather believe that "holy men wrote" as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit: the way the bible was written. Today all these pieces of papyrus, stones, leaves, etc, have all been distroyed, so again, there simply is no way to verify the accuracy. And you call the bible corrupt? how many versions were there of the Koran, say around 600 to 650? Several? Many? Who knows, because they were all distroyed! Again, no possible was to verify accuracy. Perhaps these early Muslims had different memories than we have today! I think your idea of the Koran is probably much more idealistic, rather than historic. : -))

When you put it all together, it would be wise not do condemn either book, or say that it is corrupt. Rather, let each book stand as is, on its own merits.

Coop

 

[Gary]

Muslims have to believe that the Bible is corrupted... or else what explains Muhammad's many mistakes about Biblical events?

By the way, the "corrupted Bible" theory is a modern one as is the theory that there was another Injil (Gospel). When asked to produce that other Injil, the Muslims then claim it has been lost!

There is no historical record of such a different Injil.... but then again, Muslims will not face historical facts. They rather believe what Muhammad said ... 610 years AFTER the event.

 

[Bilal]

Proof? You have to be joking. Taking all of your ideas from one Book, which itself is doubtful, corrupted, contradictory, etc.? Great proof isnt it.

Im challenging you with argument of LOGIC, my boy, accept it if you will, otherwise i will ignore your tosh, especially as you have failed to answer my questions....

typical of you :roll:

Why do you keep saying that the bible is doubtful, corrupted, contradictory, etc? You know, we could say the same for your book. Mohammad could not even write, so others wrote his sayings down, and much later they were composed into book form. You do you know they got it right? The ONLY way you could know for sure, is if you heard Mohammad with your own ears, and then verified the writing by reading it as it was put down. It is most probable that there was no single book that had all the writings, but rather several books or more written by several scribes. Again, you were not there to verify if they wrote correctly. In fact, there is not one version of how the Koran came to be, but rather several, and they all disagree!

It is said that many good people carried his saying around in their heart, and this for many years, berfore it was written. Well, it is a well know fact that as things are carried around in the human heart, they change! It is said that a man named Zayd collected the Koran "from pieces of papyrus, flat stones, palm leaves, shoulder blades and ribs of animals, pieces of leather and wooden boards, as well as from the hearts of men."

Personally, I would rather believe that "holy men wrote" as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit: the way the bible was written. Today all these pieces of papyrus, stones, leaves, etc, have all been distroyed, so again, there simply is no way to verify the accuracy. And you call the bible corrupt? how many versions were there of the Koran, say around 600 to 650? Several? Many? Who knows, because they were all distroyed! Again, no possible was to verify accuracy. Perhaps these early Muslims had different memories than we have today! I think your idea of the Koran is probably much more idealistic, rather than historic. : -))

When you put it all together, it would be wise not do condemn either book, or say that it is corrupt. Rather, let each book stand as is, on its own merits.

Coop

The Bible is corrupt. Needless for me to say it. Just look at how many contradictions have come about in it? So you acknowledge it was the word of man- that is bound to be wrong, misleading and contradictory. Can it really be considered Holy if it isnt the word of God?

Why are there so many different 'versions' of the Bible?

21st Century King James Version
American Standard Version
Amplified Bible
Contemporary English Version
Darby Translation
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
English Standard Version
Holman Christian Standard Bible
King James Version
New American Standard Bible
New International Reader's Version
New International Version
New International Version - UK
New King James Version
New Life Version
New Living Translation
The Message
Worldwide English (New Testament)
Wycliffe New Testament
Young's Literal Translation

A "21st Century Bible"? Why? I would have thought the so-call "divinely inspired" Bible could stand the test of time? :roll:

I mean was the Bible revealed from God? What part did Jesus have to play in the Bible? Who wrote the Bible and why them? On what authority did they write it, and how was that authority given?

Are all churches in agreement with all the Bibles?

Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, Chicago, one of the most prestigious Christian Evangelical Mission in the world, answering the question  "Is the Bible the Word of God?" (also the title of his book), under the heading: IT IS HUMAN, YET DIVINE. He says on page 17:

"Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men." (Emphasis added).

Another erudite Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says on page 277 of his book, "The Call of the Minaret":

"Not so the New Testament3 . . . There is condensation and editing; 4 there is choice, reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the Church behind the authors. They represent experience and history."

As for the Quran, if you say it is corrupt, then ell me how are there scientific miracles contained therein, were they the lucky guess of man? No the Quran is the word of God, not man. The elagance anf natural flow of the Quran are also testiment of the true word of the Quran.

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

so: - Is all of the Bible GOD's Divine Revelations?
- Did the Prophets of GOD really write the Bible of today?
- Is the Bible perfect?
- Did man indeed corrupt the Bible?
- Is the Bible of today reliable?


if you type in Mark 16:9-20, you get this ((The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.)) [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark 16:9-20&version=31]

Now tell me why does it say the Most Reliable? Who are the ancient witnesses?

Act 5:30 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree."

Tree or cross? Make your mind up?

this could go on. believe me- the Quran has more historical integrty than the Bible.

 

[Gary]

Quran vs Bible

This thread is about "Jesus in the Quran"

Open another thread and we will debate the Quran vs Bible.

P.S. I think you do not understand what a translation is.

 

[WMD]

..... Yet, I look at photographs of those Muslims who protested the recent cartoons of Muhammad with violence, and one photograph that showed the position and intelligence of Muslims was one of a person holding a sign which read this:

"BEHEAD those who say that Islam is violent!"

Actually the sign read "Behead those that insult islam" another read "Slay those that insult islam." so on and so forth.

I am not defending islam or their violent ways, but make sure you get your facts straight... even the little details count.

I think many people underestimate Muslims... they are not un-educated morons living in the desert. They are very intelligent and many of the Islamic Extremists go to prestigious univeristies all over the world.

Just a thought.

 

[Gary]

The extremists

..... Yet, I look at photographs of those Muslims who protested the recent cartoons of Muhammad with violence, and one photograph that showed the position and intelligence of Muslims was one of a person holding a sign which read this:

"BEHEAD those who say that Islam is violent!"

Actually the sign read "Behead those that insult islam" another read "Slay those that insult islam." so on and so forth.

I am not defending islam or their violent ways, but make sure you get your facts straight... even the little details count.

I think many people underestimate Muslims... they are not un-educated morons living in the desert. They are very intelligent and many of the Islamic Extremists go to prestigious univeristies all over the world.

Just a thought.

The extremists know their Quran and the Hadith (the deeds and words of Muhammad) better than most Muslims. They know that Jihad is real... they live it like Muhammad did. They follow Muhammad's example. Muhammad murdered many of those who opposed him.

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[WMD]

Re: The extremists

..... Yet, I look at photographs of those Muslims who protested the recent cartoons of Muhammad with violence, and one photograph that showed the position and intelligence of Muslims was one of a person holding a sign which read this:

"BEHEAD those who say that Islam is violent!"

Actually the sign read "Behead those that insult islam" another read "Slay those that insult islam." so on and so forth.

I am not defending islam or their violent ways, but make sure you get your facts straight... even the little details count.

I think many people underestimate Muslims... they are not un-educated morons living in the desert. They are very intelligent and many of the Islamic Extremists go to prestigious universities all over the world.

Just a thought.

The extremists know their Quran and the Hadith (the deeds and words of Muhammad) better than most Muslims. They know that Jihad is real... they live it like Muhammad did. They follow Muhammad's example. Muhammad murdered many of those who opposed him.

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Extremists also twists the word of the Qu'ran to fit their needs. Verses in the Qu'ran do say that you must retaliate against those that oppose you, but the second half of those same verses say that you should be peaceful to those that have not shown violence to you.

Obviously extremists quote the first half and ignore the second.

Please forgive me for not giving the specific verse, I will try to look it up for you. Or perhaps you already know it.

ps... the literal version of Jihad, is eternal struggle. As in an eternal struggle to be closer to Allah. But it has evolved to be an eternal struggle against the infidels, or more specifically, "Holy War"

 

[WMD]

Here is one of the verses I was speaking of:

8:61 But if they incline to peace, incline thou to it as well, and place thy trust in God: verily, He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing!

 

[lecoop]

Proof? You have to be joking. Taking all of your ideas from one Book, which itself is doubtful, corrupted, contradictory, etc.? Great proof isnt it.

Im challenging you with argument of LOGIC, my boy, accept it if you will, otherwise i will ignore your tosh, especially as you have failed to answer my questions....

typical of you :roll:

Is your argument logical? Did you ever stop to think that the Jews did everything in their power to deny what happened on the cross. If it had been any other person but Jesus the Christ on that cross, they would have been able to prove it, and Christianity would have lasted maybe a month or so. If it was someone else that died on the cross (which by the way, disagrees with the "swooned" theory" - another theory created by Islam) then who was it who walked through the wall of a locked room, and showed the nail holes in his hands, feet, and side - proving that he had just been crucified? If it was an imposter, how could he have in fact walked through a wall? How could he have disappeared suddenly on several occasions, when showing Himself to the disciples after His death? Humans cannot disappear suddenly, or walk through walls! However, a spiritual body can - the ressurected Body of Christ!

No, your logic falls flat.

Coop

 

[Redwolf]

Proof? You have to be joking. Taking all of your ideas from one Book, which itself is doubtful, corrupted, contradictory, etc.? Great proof isnt it.

Im challenging you with argument of LOGIC, my boy, accept it if you will, otherwise i will ignore your tosh, especially as you have failed to answer my questions....

typical of you :roll:

Where do you get your ideas? Mahomet did not even write YOUR book, in fact, it wasn't even compiled until years after his death, how do you know it contains all the right words and how did he know they were accurately rendered he was illiterate? There were several books around at the time, all were tossed except for one. How do you know the right one was kept?

You wanna talk contradictions? Koran is a masterful example of contraditions and quite hilariously so.

Someone is clearly illiterate:

· Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

· Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

· Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

· Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.

Or:

· Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

· Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

· Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

or:

· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!

http://www.secularislam.org/guide/mirza.htm


This is just a sample of the stuff you people believe and call.............what? What do you call it?