Jesus Is God: Part 1

[Corinth77777]

"Holy Ghost" is just the KJV for "Holy Spirit." They are one and the same.

Of the terms themselves I do not considered them the same.

 

[Free]

Of the terms themselves I do not considered them the same.

One is a KJV translation and one is a newer English translation. The text behind them is the same and they mean the same thing and refer to the same divine person. Nothing more to it than that.

 

[Corinth77777]

One is a KJV translation and one is a newer English translation. The text behind them is the same and they mean the same thing and refer to the same divine person. Nothing more to it than that.

I would be scared to make statements like that , even if I thought so. Because then if my eyes were opened to truth to see a difference I'd be shamed I was so green.

But no its not truth because you say it is.

 

[Corinth77777]

I would be scared to make statements like that , even if I thought so. Because then if my eyes were opened to truth to see a difference I'd be shamed I was so green.

But no its not truth because you say it is.

And also one can make the statement and even after they see some truth. Now feel they have to figure out How to make their statement true, To stand on it even when their eyes have been opened

 

[232 Ben Yissachar]

And also one can make the statement and even after they see some truth. Now feel they have to figure out How to make their statement true, To stand on it even when their eyes have been opened

The KJV translates Strong's G4151 in the following manner:
Spirit (111x)
(Holy) Ghost (89x)
Spirit (of God) (13x)
Spirit (of the Lord) (5x)
(My) Spirit (3x)
Spirit (of truth) (3x)
Spirit (of Christ) (2x)
human (spirit) (49x)
(evil) spirit (47x)
spirit (general) (26x)
spirit (8x)
(Jesus' own) spirit (6x)
(Jesus' own) ghost (2x),

 

[Free]

I would be scared to make statements like that , even if I thought so. Because then if my eyes were opened to truth to see a difference I'd be shamed I was so green.

Why would you be scared? Do you not study the Bible? Do you have evidence to the contrary?

But no its not truth because you say it is.

It is truth, but not because I say it is.

Holy Ghost = Holy Spirit = Spirit of God = Spirit of the Lord = Spirit of your Father = Spirit of Christ = Spirit of Jesus Christ = Spirit of his Son.

 

[Corinth77777]

At one pt in time the son had to have glory b4 He came to earth.

Now interesting enough in the beginning was the word......etc

where was this word b4 it was made flesh.

In their places is the word different from flesh? If so how?

 

[Free]

At one pt in time the son had to have glory b4 He came to earth.

Now interesting enough in the beginning was the word......etc

where was this word b4 it was made flesh.

In their places is the word different from flesh? If so how?

"The Word was with God, and the Word was God"--the Word was the Son, the second person of the Trinity, who became flesh.

 

[Corinth77777]

Why would you be scared? Do you not study the Bible? Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Basically humbled..you would have to humble yourself..so it's best to stay humble. As the Man who came to the wedding and sat in the front seat, and was asked to sit in the back.

It is truth, but not because I say it is.

You are doing it again...yes its truth because you believe from your studying it is. So therefore because you say it is.

Holy Ghost = Holy Spirit = Spirit of God = Spirit of the Lord = Spirit of your Father = Spirit of Christ = Spirit of Jesus Christ = Spirit of his Son.

According to your studying I guess? And what if you dont have all that you need to study correctly. Then are you still going to be so robust to make that statement?

 

[Corinth77777]

"The Word was with God, and the Word was God"--the Word was the Son, the second person of the Trinity, who became flesh.

I'd rather study with you to see more that we can gain together . Would you like to do that?

 

[Free]

Semantics, perhaps!
Both "Jesus" and "the Son of God" did NOT exist before the Incarnation!
The Word (God) came down from heaven and became flesh-human-Jesus.
Jesus was ONLY called "the Son of God" because
God the Holy Spirit "played the role of Jesus' father".

Jesus didn't, but the Son of God did. Jesus was called the Son of God because he had always been the Son of God. John chose to refer to the Son of God as the Word to communicate to his readers exactly who the Son was before becoming human. It's worth noting that only John calls Jesus the Word.

 

[Corinth77777]

At one pt in time the son had to have glory b4 He came to earth.

Now interesting enough in the beginning was the word......etc

where was this word b4 it was made flesh.

In their places is the word different from flesh? If so how?

Above is my question. How is the word and flesh different in there respective places?

 

[Free]

Basically humbled..you would have to humble yourself..so it's best to stay humble. As the Man who came to the wedding and sat in the front seat, and was asked to sit in the back.

You are doing it again...yes its truth because you believe from your studying it is. So therefore because you say it is.

Because the Bible makes it clear. I doubt there is any pastor, theologian, or scholar that would disagree. This is a very basic understanding of Scripture. Look at a verse in the KJV and then look at it in several other versions.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (KJV)

Mat 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (NASB)

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (ESV)

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (NIV)

They are all translating the same Greek word, pneuma.

According to your studying I guess? And what if you dont have all that you need to study correctly. Then are you still going to be so robust to make that statement?

I have all I need to study correctly, which is precisely why I am "so robust" in making that statement.

 

[Free]

Above is my question. How is the word and flesh different in there respective places?

I don't understand what you're asking.

 

[Randy]

Above is my question. How is the word and flesh different in there respective places?

The same person but the Son who was in the beginning didn't reside in a human body. He wasn't a man at that time. So as others have stated Jesus or the Son of Man didn't exist in that form in the beginning. He was in the form of God. His soul was in that body prepared for Him. He spoke of things He saw and heard in the Fathers presence from His memories as the only such eyewitness of God who has appeared in flesh on earth. In 1John, John refers to Jesus as the Word of Life, the eternal life who was with the Father in the beginning. That life appeared who they saw, heard and touched. Clearly that eternal life appeared in flesh as a Man. The Son of Man. In flesh Jesus walked among us. Though the world was brought into existence through Him the world did not reconize Him. But to those who received Him and believed in His name God gave the right that they should be called the children of God. Children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. Those who God Himself calls His children.

Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’ ”

 

[Corinth77777]

The same person but the Son who was in the beginning didn't reside in a human body. He wasn't a man at that time. So as others have stated Jesus or the Son of Man didn't exist in that form in the beginning. He was in the form of God. His soul was in that body prepared for Him. He spoke of things He saw and heard in the Fathers presence from His memories as the only such eyewitness of God who has appeared in flesh on earth. In 1John, John refers to Jesus as the Word of Life, the eternal life who was with the Father in the beginning. That life appeared who they saw, heard and touched. Clearly that eternal life appeared in flesh as a Man. The Son of Man. In flesh Jesus walked among us. Though the world was brought into existence through Him the world did not reconize Him. But to those who received Him and believed in His name God gave the right that they should be called the children of God. Children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. Those who God Himself calls His children.

Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’ ”

Thanks Randy for your response
The question I asked was to help me explain my position.

"Above is my question. How is the word and flesh different in there respective places?"

For example the word in its respective place "was" the glory He had with God:

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Which in contrast He must not have had while on earth.

My Statement I am willing to consider is that: there is a difference between the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit

This is an example of the changing of roles we play in this life.

If you had a daughter and she lived with you and your spouse before even thinking of marriage what would be the role or roles she played living with you vs the role she plays as a married woman living with her husband?

The first thing that she legally changed was Her last name? Why?

Now even her last name changed, is she the same person? So what changed?

And even though I may not understand it all

This is what I am considering, ️ before I go there lets look at this passage: "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him"
One may say these are not different but one might want to probe into it.

My consideration based on a article I read was
The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of Christ Having resurrected is the Holyghost.

But then I am also one that believes there is a difference in Jesus Christ vs Christ Jesus,
Kingdom of God vs Kingdom of Heaven abd eternal life vs life eternal..maybe even "the" and "thou"

But here is another scripture to consider in looking into this consideration:

"searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow."

I am not here to argue but to study and learn...

 

[Corinth77777]

1. God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood and in the OT either spoke directly to the prophets or by angels and also various objects like a burning bush or an ass for example. Between the OT and NT God was silent towards Israel as when they returned to Israel from the Babylonian captivity they came back as merchants and not shepherds as they were disobedient to God going after other gods, Book of Malachi.

2. Jesus being the very Spirit of God before the foundation of the world as He and the Father are one was prophesied by the Prophets in the OT and spoken of by John the baptist in the NT as John being the forerunner of Christ calling all to repent. As foretold Christ did come as the word of God made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness. He came as redeemer Savior through Gods grace as Christ is our faith that all can repent of their sins and have eternal life with the Father to all who will believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 1:1-4; 1 Peter 1:13-21

3. After the sacrifice of Christ God raised Him from the grave and as He had to ascend back up to heaven the promise was that He would never leave us or forsake us as when He ascended He sent down the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) to indwell all who will believe in Christ

Do you believe the Spirit of Christ indwelled the old time Saints?

and His finished works on the cross. In the OT Gods Spirit fell on them for a time and purpose under heaven. Now we are indwelled with that power and authority through Gods grace that the Holy Spirit now works in us and through us teaching all things God wants us to learn. All three are Spiritual and Spiritual awakenings in us to know the will of God and walk in His statures. John 16:7-15

Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as all three coequal Gods Spirit.

Jesus being the right arm of God. Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Jesus is the word of God. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Gods Holy Spirit has come to indwell us and teach us. John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.