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Jesus Is God: Part 1

The ideal of the Trinity is that God was manifested in 3 distint persons.
We must be careful in how we define the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity is that the one being that is God has always existed as three coequal, coeternal persons.

What you have given is closer to Oneness/Modalism.

My goal is to show that there was a difference in the termS. I SHOWED HOW- THE MARRIED WOMAN DID NOT STOP BEING THE SAME PERSON BUT HER ROLES CHANGED WITH HER MARITAL STATUS..[DIDNT MEAN TO HIT THE CAPITAL FONT]
That is Oneness/Modalism, not Trinitarianism.

So given that her last name changed it means something, does it not?

And so does when you change a word from foot to feet, or add an "s" to shoe.

The kjv makes a difference, and I do consider there is a difference.

Randy
The NT was not written in English but in Greek, right? The Greek text says the same thing whether it is translated as the KJV (Holy Ghost) or the ESV (Holy Spirit).
 
The ideal of the Trinity is that God was manifested in 3 distint persons.

My goal is to show that there was a difference in the termS. I SHOWED HOW- THE MARRIED WOMAN DID NOT STOP BEING THE SAME PERSON BUT HER ROLES CHANGED WITH HER MARITAL STATUS..[DIDNT MEAN TO HIT THE CAPITAL FONT]

So given that her last name changed it means something, does it not?

And so does when you change a word from foot to feet, or add an "s" to shoe.

The kjv makes a difference, and I do consider there is a difference.

Randy
Take this passage in John 7 :But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)]

Was Jesus Glorified no (so let's try this on)>>>so it was not Holy Spirit that was not given (?)but the Holy Ghost.
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Allow me consider this for a moment to see if it can be validated with the truth:

Those who believed received the Holy Spirit= to God's testimony of His Son.

Now sense Jesus has now resurrected the Holy Ghost (as EJ states) the power of the resurrected body of Christ ( now called The Spirit of Christ), is given to those that walk in complete faith.

Lets think about Jesus's Baptism for example the Father in His Glory annoited Jesus with Power -to work the works of the Kingdom and now Jesus back in His rightful place can do the same.

For consider this: When Jesus was leaving He breathed on His disciples and said receive ye the holy Spirit. But they were told to wait somewhere until the power of the Holy Spirit was given...I have to look up the passage..Im on my phone....But Im considering that the power of the Holy Spirit is the Holyghost... Jesus conquering death in the body.

So then when we in the Spirit come to a place of certainty operating in faith, having been given His Spirit ( which may just be the Spirit of God) the Spirit in us moves to a place of power. Operating in Authority of our King....as Jesus went from earth to heaven....

I also want to add- I believe there is a difference between Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ
Randy
 
We must be careful in how we define the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity is that the one being that is God has always existed as three coequal, coeternal persons.

What you have given is closer to Oneness/Modalism.


That is Oneness/Modalism, not Trinitarianism.


The NT was not written in English but in Greek, right? The Greek text says the same thing whether it is translated as the KJV (Holy Ghost) or the ESV (Holy Spirit).
Im not here to argue, have a great day
 
Im not here to argue, have a great day
I’m not arguing, not even close. You say you want to study and learn, yet get upset when anyone points out some issues with what you say and offers correction. That suggests you’re not here to learn, but to promote your opinions.
 
I’m not arguing, not even close. You say you want to study and learn, yet get upset when anyone points out some issues with what you say and offers correction. That suggests you’re not here to learn, but to promote your opinions.
You are right -have a great day!
 
Do you believe the Spirit of Christ indwelled the old time Saints?
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost after Jesus was taken up to heaven and the Holy Spirit sent down to indwell believers, John 14:26. In the OT the Holy Spirit, being the Spirit of God, came upon certain people for special empowerment, but never indwelled any.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20
 
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost after Jesus was taken up to heaven and the Holy Spirit sent down to indwell believers, John 14:26. In the OT the Holy Spirit, being the Spirit of God, came upon certain people for special empowerment, but never indwelled any.

They probed into what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when he testified beforehand about the sufferings appointed for Christ and his subsequent glory. 1 Peter 3

Do not reject me! Do not take your Holy Spirit away from me!
Psalms51



For we had good news proclaimed to us just as they did. But the message they heard did them no good, since they did not join in with those who heard it in faith.
Hebrews 4
Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20
 
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JESUS WAS NOT GOD! THE SON OF GOD LIVED IN HIM. THE TWO HAD BECOME ONE.

As the redeemer He came into this world when man needed Him most. As soon as there was sin there was a Saviour. I believe that He stepped down from the throne, laid down His life (which had nothing to do with torture and blood shed ) but His death was a total surrender of all His prerogatives as God, and condescend to become the Seed of the woman.
Something in mankind died in Eden. Something spiritual perished within them. Love was replaced by fear and fleshly desires. They were now at war with their Creator. If God did not do something to tip the scales on man's behalf they would be lost eternally for there was nothing within them that would cause them to turn back to God. Therefore God had to give mankind something to replace that which was lost. He gave His only Son to live within humanity. He came as the Seed with certain gifts to replaced that which was lost. He had a heart full of longing and love for the Father, He brought the ability to hear and a willingness to obey the Father's directions. If man was quiet and sensed the heart longings of the Son for the Father he could accept those longings as his own. Man could begin to identify with the Son within and find his way back to the Father. In this way He was a very personal Redeemer, Advocate and Saviour to every son and daughter of Adam.
If Genesis 3:15 was not fulfilled for some 4000 years, what help could there be for all those who were born before the time of Jesus? God the Father, Son and Holy spirit are spirit beings and therefore could live within the soul temple of man. The Son gave up omnipresence to be only present within humanity.
Where did His flesh come from? Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"
Clearly he was genetically a descendent of David and therefore a descendent of Adam. Jesus was fully a man as you and I with his own thoughts and personality. The Seed that he was born with gave him a special mission. The life that we have read about in scripture. He was the model man, our example. He was in total submission to the Son within. The two had become one.
Just as the man in Luke 8 had an evil spirit that spoke through his mouth and used his body for its own purposes. The Son had the free cooperation of Jesus to do the will of the Father. The words and will of the demon were not really the words and desires of the man for Jesus could hear the heart cry from within the man and made him free so the Son within could begin to work within to do the will of the Father from that point on.
In the same way when the Son spoke through Jesus He could say things that only could be from the Son not a human son of Mary. See John 14:23, Jesus could not live within any one as he himself was human but the Son who spoke those words through him could. The Son was leading Jesus day by day helping him to bear the cross and lay down his life moment by moment, just as the Son did 4000 years ago. They were one in purpose and action but it was the Son who was doing it all. "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Paul wrote, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
This is how every son of Adam is to live.
We have been taught that He bore the sins of the world on the cross. Now consider that He has been bearing the sin of each and every son and daughter of Adam, from Eden until today. The cross was a living parable of what He has been doing in every one of us through the history of this world. It makes the sacrifice of the Son beyond imagining that He has been suffering for and in humanity all this time.
Isaiah 53: 3-6 can now be seen in a more personal way as well as Matt. 8:17 "...Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." There is no record of Jesus being sick or infirmed but He could fully experience it all and suffer with us in our sicknesses etc.
Can you begin to grasp the intimate suffering that the Son has experienced and born for the last 7000 years as man Saviour?
 
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They probed into what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when he testified beforehand about the sufferings appointed for Christ and his subsequent glory. 1 Peter 3

Do not reject me! Do not take your Holy Spirit away from me!
Psalms51



For we had good news proclaimed to us just as they did. But the message they heard did them no good, since they did not join in with those who heard it in faith.
Hebrews 4
The Holy Spirit was present in the OT, but they never received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit's role in the OT was limited and temporary and was only given to those individuals for a purpose, but was never a permanent indwelling. Good examples of this was the Holy Spirit came upon Moses, Joshua, Othniel, Gideon, Samson, Saul, David and many others, but was never a permanent indwelling like we have now after Jesus ascended up to sit at the right hand of the Father and then sent down the Holy Spirit to indwell all who will accept Jesus as Lord and Savior through the Spiritual rebirth taught in John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9-10.
 
JESUS WAS NOT GOD! THE SON OF GOD LIVED IN HIM. THE TWO HAD BECOME ONE.

As the redeemer He came into this world when man needed Him most. As soon as there was sin there was a Saviour. I believe that He stepped down from the throne, laid down His life (which had nothing to do with torture and blood shed ) but His death was a total surrender of all His prerogatives as God, and condescend to become the Seed of the woman.
Something in mankind died in Eden. Something spiritual perished within them. Love was replaced by fear and fleshly desires. They were now at war with their Creator. If God did not do something to tip the scales on man's behalf they would be lost eternally for there was nothing within them that would cause them to turn back to God. Therefore God had to give mankind something to replace that which was lost. He gave His only Son to live within humanity. He came as the Seed with certain gifts to replaced that which was lost. He had a heart full of longing and love for the Father, He brought the ability to hear and a willingness to obey the Father's directions. If man was quiet and sensed the heart longings of the Son for the Father he could accept those longings as his own. Man could begin to identify with the Son within and find his way back to the Father. In this way He was a very personal Redeemer, Advocate and Saviour to every son and daughter of Adam.
If Genesis 3:15 was not fulfilled for some 4000 years, what help could there be for all those who were born before the time of Jesus? God the Father, Son and Holy spirit are spirit beings and therefore could live within the soul temple of man. The Son gave up omnipresence to be only present within humanity.
Where did His flesh come from? Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"
Clearly he was genetically a descendent of David and therefore a descendent of Adam. Jesus was fully a man as you and I with his own thoughts and personality. The Seed that he was born with gave him a special mission. The life that we have read about in scripture. He was the model man, our example. He was in total submission to the Son within. The two had become one.
Just as the man in Luke 8 had an evil spirit that spoke through his mouth and used his body for its own purposes. The Son had the free cooperation of Jesus to do the will of the Father. The words and will of the demon were not really the words and desires of the man for Jesus could hear the heart cry from within the man and made him free so the Son within could begin to work within to do the will of the Father from that point on.
In the same way when the Son spoke through Jesus He could say things that only could be from the Son not a human son of Mary. See John 14:23, Jesus could not live within any one as he himself was human but the Son who spoke those words through him could. The Son was leading Jesus day by day helping him to bear the cross and lay down his life moment by moment, just as the Son did 4000 years ago. They were one in purpose and action but it was the Son who was doing it all. "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Paul wrote, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
This is how every son of Adam is to live.
We have been taught that He bore the sins of the world on the cross. Now consider that He has been bearing the sin of each and every son and daughter of Adam, from Eden until today. The cross was a living parable of what He has been doing in every one of us through the history of this world. It makes the sacrifice of the Son beyond imagining that He has been suffering for and in humanity all this time.
Isaiah 53: 3-6 can now be seen in a more personal way as well as Matt. 8:17 "...Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." There is no record of Jesus being sick or infirmed but He could fully experience it all and suffer with us in our sicknesses etc.
Can you begin to grasp the intimate suffering that the Son has experienced and born for the last 7000 years as man Saviour?
You need to go back and read all those scriptures I gave in post #827.
 
JESUS WAS NOT GOD! THE SON OF GOD LIVED IN HIM. THE TWO HAD BECOME ONE.

As the redeemer He came into this world when man needed Him most. As soon as there was sin there was a Saviour. I believe that He stepped down from the throne, laid down His life (which had nothing to do with torture and blood shed ) but His death was a total surrender of all His prerogatives as God, and condescend to become the Seed of the woman.
Something in mankind died in Eden. Something spiritual perished within them. Love was replaced by fear and fleshly desires. They were now at war with their Creator. If God did not do something to tip the scales on man's behalf they would be lost eternally for there was nothing within them that would cause them to turn back to God. Therefore God had to give mankind something to replace that which was lost. He gave His only Son to live within humanity. He came as the Seed with certain gifts to replaced that which was lost. He had a heart full of longing and love for the Father, He brought the ability to hear and a willingness to obey the Father's directions. If man was quiet and sensed the heart longings of the Son for the Father he could accept those longings as his own. Man could begin to identify with the Son within and find his way back to the Father. In this way He was a very personal Redeemer, Advocate and Saviour to every son and daughter of Adam.
If Genesis 3:15 was not fulfilled for some 4000 years, what help could there be for all those who were born before the time of Jesus? God the Father, Son and Holy spirit are spirit beings and therefore could live within the soul temple of man. The Son gave up omnipresence to be only present within humanity.
Where did His flesh come from? Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"
Clearly he was genetically a descendent of David and therefore a descendent of Adam. Jesus was fully a man as you and I with his own thoughts and personality. The Seed that he was born with gave him a special mission. The life that we have read about in scripture. He was the model man, our example. He was in total submission to the Son within. The two had become one.
Just as the man in Luke 8 had an evil spirit that spoke through his mouth and used his body for its own purposes. The Son had the free cooperation of Jesus to do the will of the Father. The words and will of the demon were not really the words and desires of the man for Jesus could hear the heart cry from within the man and made him free so the Son within could begin to work within to do the will of the Father from that point on.
In the same way when the Son spoke through Jesus He could say things that only could be from the Son not a human son of Mary. The Son was leading Jesus day by day helping him to bear the cross and lay down his life moment by moment, just as the Son did 4000 years ago. They were one in purpose and action but it was the Son who was doing it all. "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Paul wrote, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
This is how every son of Adam is to live.
We have been taught that He bore the sins of the world on the cross. Now consider that He has been bearing the sin of each and every son and daughter of Adam, from Eden until today. The cross was a living parable of what He has been doing in every one of us through the history of this world. It makes the sacrifice of the Son beyond imagining that He has been suffering for and in humanity all this time.
Isaiah 53: 3-6 can now be seen in a more personal way as well as Matt. 8:17 "...Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." There is no record of Jesus being sick or infirmed but He could fully experience it all and suffer with us in our sicknesses etc.
Can you begin to grasp the intimate suffering that the Son has experienced and born for the last 7000 years as man Saviour?

You need to go back and read all those scriptures I gave in post #827.
I cannot find any numbers on posts. where do I find 827?
 
I cannot find any numbers on posts. where do I find 827?
Post numbers are at the top right of every post, in faint text, but will highlight when you mouse over them. You can use those numbers to link to specific posts, if you wish.
 
You need to go back and read all those scriptures I gave in post #827.
I don't disagree with any of those scriptures you mentioned but if you come to understand the "binary" nature of God and man. "For it is God in you..." You may get a glimpse of something wonderful. You might say that Jesus was a man for his time. He surrendered to the Son and fulfilled all the will of the Father.

John 1:9 says, "...the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Millions of people came into the world from the time of Adam and Eve. If Mary's son was born some 4000 or more years after that how could he have lighted all of them. The Son being the Seed within every human that has ever come into the world could easily give that light to each of us even though most would abort that spirit.

I think you have missed my point, Jesus was the human son of Mary. I use to believed that the Father somehow turned His Son into a human embryo and placed Him in Mary's womb. But that would mean that His flesh came from a different source than ours. It seems clear in Romans 1 that he is a human just like you and I. His origin was from an egg in her ovary which the Father somehow "jumpstarted". The Son has no origin, He has always been. He created all things. He grew up in Mary's womb with Jesus and in Jesus. Christ in Jesus is no different than Christ in you except that Jesus is fully obedient to the control of God. Jesus was one who fully surrendered to the leading of the Seed of the woman. His life, death and resurrection were given to show us what it means to lay down our life and experience a resurrection life of continual obedience.
 
I don't disagree with any of those scriptures you mentioned but if you come to understand the "binary" nature of God and man. "For it is God in you..." You may get a glimpse of something wonderful. You might say that Jesus was a man for his time. He surrendered to the Son and fulfilled all the will of the Father.

John 1:9 says, "...the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Millions of people came into the world from the time of Adam and Eve. If Mary's son was born some 4000 or more years after that how could he have lighted all of them. The Son being the Seed within every human that has ever come into the world could easily give that light to each of us even though most would abort that spirit.

I think you have missed my point, Jesus was the human son of Mary. I use to believed that the Father somehow turned His Son into a human embryo and placed Him in Mary's womb. But that would mean that His flesh came from a different source than ours. It seems clear in Romans 1 that he is a human just like you and I. His origin was from an egg in her ovary which the Father somehow "jumpstarted". The Son has no origin, He has always been. He created all things. He grew up in Mary's womb with Jesus and in Jesus. Christ in Jesus is no different than Christ in you except that Jesus is fully obedient to the control of God. Jesus was one who fully surrendered to the leading of the Seed of the woman. His life, death and resurrection were given to show us what it means to lay down our life and experience a resurrection life of continual obedience.
You seem to have Jesus and the Son being two different things.

The Word became flesh. Go read John 1:1-18.
 
I don't disagree with any of those scriptures you mentioned but if you come to understand the "binary" nature of God and man. "For it is God in you..." You may get a glimpse of something wonderful. You might say that Jesus was a man for his time. He surrendered to the Son and fulfilled all the will of the Father.

John 1:9 says, "...the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Millions of people came into the world from the time of Adam and Eve. If Mary's son was born some 4000 or more years after that how could he have lighted all of them. The Son being the Seed within every human that has ever come into the world could easily give that light to each of us even though most would abort that spirit.

I think you have missed my point, Jesus was the human son of Mary. I use to believed that the Father somehow turned His Son into a human embryo and placed Him in Mary's womb. But that would mean that His flesh came from a different source than ours. It seems clear in Romans 1 that he is a human just like you and I. His origin was from an egg in her ovary which the Father somehow "jumpstarted". The Son has no origin, He has always been. He created all things. He grew up in Mary's womb with Jesus and in Jesus. Christ in Jesus is no different than Christ in you except that Jesus is fully obedient to the control of God. Jesus was one who fully surrendered to the leading of the Seed of the woman. His life, death and resurrection were given to show us what it means to lay down our life and experience a resurrection life of continual obedience.
Hi,
While I think I see what you are trying to say, correct me if I'm wrong. You are saying that God jumpstarted Jesus as a human, but Jesus was not the Son, but the seed with Jesus was the son of God.
So when God said to Jesus, "This is my son in whom I am well pleased" He was speaking to the seed that created the whole world and not the flesh Jesus that was Jump started?

I can't grasp that.
Why not just say Jesus was God because His Father was God
Therefore He was God and Man
 
Hi,
While I think I see what you are trying to say, correct me if I'm wrong. You are saying that God jumpstarted Jesus as a human, but Jesus was not the Son, but the seed with Jesus was the son of God.
So when God said to Jesus, "This is my son in whom I am well pleased" He was speaking to the seed that created the whole world and not the flesh Jesus that was Jump started?

I can't grasp that.
Why not just say Jesus was God because His Father was God
Therefore He was God and Man
Corinth, Yes, that is what I am saying. I appreciate that you did not come at me with guns blazing but with a desire to understand what I am saying. I certainly can understand why you have questions. I will try to answer your objection.
In Luke 3:23-38 it gives Mary's lineage beginning with Jesus going all the way back to Adam. In vs. 38 it says that Adam was "the son of God". He was God's son by creation as his 'mortal' life came from God alone. That did not make Adam 'God'.
Paul writes of Christ in you, Jesus is a human with Christ in him. Jesus cannot be in you or me as he can only be in one place at a time. A human cannot live inside of another human except during pregnancy. Yet the Son who is a spirit being can be in everyone. To be born again (not of the flesh nor of blood but of the Spirit ) your life is not the life that Adam lost in Eden. Your life in the spirit is of the Son, it is eternal. If you remain in intimate union with the Son you too will be immortal. Our life is now hidden with Christ in God and He is your Father. He can freely call you his Son because His Son has become your new identity you are a new creature, the two have become one. (see John 17) There is a marriage of humanity and divinity. This is how God could redeem us by joining us to Himself. This is the record that God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. 1 John 5:11 Eternal life is not a thing that God gives us, that life is within the Son himself, "He that has the Son has life..." . And since God so loved us He has given us his Son.
Jesus is the second or last Adam. He is the father of a new race of beings. We are the literal body of the Son of God. Jesus is the head of the body and we are all the other parts.
We were spiritually dead thanks to our first parents. That death can not be repaired. Forgiveness is not sufficient we needed a new source of life. The Son chose to sacrifice His life to give it to us, everyone of us.....forever He will remain within the redeemed as our Life. God's gift is not something He loaned to us, it was given.
The gospel I grew up with made Jesus the Son and we are the sons. Our Father did not give us a lesser son or a detuned son. We receive the very Son as our life. Jesus was our example, the model man. we all have to give up our 'life' (which is destined to perish anyway). The grave will take it or we can lay it down voluntarily as He did. Then He will indwell us with His divine eternal life.
John 14: 16-23 not only promises us the Spirit but the Father and the Son will dwell within us. that is the fullness of the Godhead.
Yes, Jesus spoke these words, but I suggest that it was the Son who was speaking through him. Just as an evil spirit spoke through the demoniac in Luke 8 it was not the man who was actually speaking, it was a spirit who possessed him. God's Son possessed Jesus and spoke the words that the Father gave him to speak.
Does this help? If not I can share more scripture and object lessons. I hope we can continue to share.
 
You seem to have Jesus and the Son being two different things.

The Word became flesh. Go read John 1:1-18.
Hebrews says, "but a body thou hast prepared me". Taking this word for word one might think that a corps or a body with a blank mind, devoid of personhood, having no heritage that was handed down from his ancestors. Was this is what was prepared for Him? I have to admit that at one time I unwittingly thought that. But I have come to understand that Jesus humanity had to come out of Mary's humanity as he was of the seed of David according to the flesh. Rom. 1:3
Do you think it was a blank mind without any inherited tendencies which needed to be overcome?
 
Hebrews says, "but a body thou hast prepared me". Taking this word for word one might think that a corps or a body with a blank mind, devoid of personhood, having no heritage that was handed down from his ancestors. Was this is what was prepared for Him? I have to admit that at one time I unwittingly thought that. But I have come to understand that Jesus humanity had to come out of Mary's humanity as he was of the seed of David according to the flesh. Rom. 1:3
Do you think it was a blank mind without any inherited tendencies which needed to be overcome?
Luke 1:26-38 Gabriel announces to Mary that of Christ's birth through her as she found favor in God. This all came about before her and Joseph were married so Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus.

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

Notice in this verse that only Mary is mentioned as normally people would say the son of Joseph and Mary. Jesus had four half brothers, James, Joses, Juda and Simon and some sisters, but it's not known how many sisters he had or what their names were. The reason they were all half brothers and sisters is because Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus.

Mary's descent comes through David's son Nathan, Luke 3:31. To fulfill God's promise to establish David's throne forever, God honored Nathan by making him the ancestor of the promised King (Messiah) who would sit on David's throne throughout eternity, Luke 1:31-33. Mary having no brothers to inherit the throne the inheritance would come to her first son being Jesus.

This is why God found favor only in Mary as still being a virgin before she married. Joseph descent from David was broken in being heir to the throne of David as one of his ancestors named Jeconiah (Coniah) was so evil God cursed him and his descendants from ever sitting on the throne of David, Matthew 1:11, 12; Jeremiah 22:24-30; 1 Chronicles 3:17. This doesn't mean that Joseph was evil, but means none of his children could ever sit on the throne of David.

Nowhere in scripture does it mention that the half brothers of Jesus were ever called by Him to be a part of the twelve disciples. John 7:2-4 says that His half brothers did not believe in Him as they rejected His public ministry and criticized Him refusing to follow Him. Jesus said, a prophet is not without honor, except in his own hometown and among his relatives and in his own household. It wasn't until Jesus ascension that his half brothers were found in the upper room with the 12 disciples and his mother Mary, Acts 1:14.
 
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