I have no problem with these scriptures or your comments. What does that have to do with what I have shared? However, you did not answer my question.
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That the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are not stating the one and same Spirit? They are english words.
I only see two persons. Father and Son. The Father is in the Son with all "His" Deity. They are one. Col 1:19
God has spoken to us in these last days BY His Son. Through whom HE created the universe. The Deity in the Son doing His work.
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
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That the terms are different
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John 1:1
The word was made flesh
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23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.
25All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
Randy so what does 26 mean to you?
But Here in the kjv...you dont see "Holy Spirit "
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
And here again:
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
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I think this way of saying it only confuses more people.
I would say there are three persons in the one Godhead.
Christ says I and the Father are one (in essence).
The same concept is stated in the Jewish Shema, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." (Deut 6.4) The Hebrew word here for "one" is echad. It was used of Adam and Eve who became "one."
Jesus also says that he wants his disciples to be one as he and the Father are one.
The word ":one" in these contexts is not numerically one, but one in unity.
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I probably should have said "as" instead of in..
At least that is what I heard the Trinity mean.tks for the clarification.
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One in agreement
I did answer your question in post #840 and what I posted has everything to do with how Jesus came to be born as a fleshly body man in order to interact with humanity, but yet being the very word of God being the Spirit of God. Go study what the Trinity is.
It’s actually the “was” and “manifested” that create the confusion. That is the language of Oneness/Modalism, not Trinitarianism.
I reread your 840 post and I did not see an answer to my question. Forgive me for being unclear.
Each of us are born distinct with our own personhood and inherited tendencies and personality that can be developed.
What I am wondering is, do you think "the body prepared" for the Son was just a sort of corps or an empty body that He could wear as a costume. It had none of the inherited qualities that we as humans have? It was just a blank and every thing within this body was only God? Was there any Mary or David or Adam in it?
I believe that Jesus had a fallen nature just as we do. He had to face every defect in that nature and be an overcomer through the power of the Holy spirit and through the Son's cooperation with heaven. This is the advantage or help that all humanity has been given. Jesus was showing us how it is done. How humanity and divinity combined in each of us can over come the corruption in the world. This is redemption.
I believe that Christ in us is no different that Christ in Jesus apart from that fact that he had an anointed mission which he fulfilled will we fulfill ours? Till we all come to the fulness of the stature of the Son of God
Jesus was fully God and fully man given a human body to interact with humans. here is a website that can explain this better than I can.
Did Jesus have Mary's DNA or was Mary Jesus’ surrogate mother
Bible verses are given to help you know the answer to the question, "Did Jesus have Mary's DNA?" Learn if Mary was Jesus’ surrogate mother.
www.neverthirsty.org
I read the article and it did not deal with what I have shared.Jesus was fully God and fully man given a human body to interact with humans. here is a website that can explain this better than I can.
Did Jesus have Mary's DNA or was Mary Jesus’ surrogate mother
Bible verses are given to help you know the answer to the question, "Did Jesus have Mary's DNA?" Learn if Mary was Jesus’ surrogate mother.
I will try again to make clear what has come to me regarding God’s plan to save man.
Scripture is abundantly clear that mankind is condemned to die. Adam could only hand down to us what he had and that was death.
If we are to be saved we need to have God’s life.
Mere forgiveness could not save us for it could not give us life, that is to say, freedom from death.
We must have another source of life since ours perished in Eden.
When I think of the Son laying down His life, I don’t think of blood shed. I don’t believe, as some do, that He died so that we don’t have to. He died to show us how it is done.
He covenanted to give us His life to replace the life we threw away.
As I have said before, as soon as there was sin there was a Savior. He was the Seed of the woman and was in every son and daughter of Adam to give them an escape from satanic delusion.
Consider that the Creator of all things willingly condescended to restrict Himself to the mental and physical capacity within each person, with all their problems, so that He could share with them His love and drawn out desire for the Father. His ability to hear and obey the Father. He covenanted to give us these gifts, His life, to replace what was lost in Eden.
This is redemption on a very personal and intimate level.
He is the high priest in our soul temple, advocating, and mediating on our behalf individually. As we willing yield up our life day by day, His Life is more and more assimilated until we are fully one with God, having grown into the fulness of the stature of the Son of God.
do you believe He had to deal with a fallen nature?
See my post on the TWO condemnations below:
I have intentionally made the topic rather vague to bring out the two aspects of condemnation. There are two, distinct condemnations mentioned in Scripture. The first condemnation is called 'positional' condemnation. This is given to each person born into the world. In other words, it is the condemnation of being "in Adam." See Romans 5 for the contrast between Christ and Adam's positional truth. God condemns each person who enters this world with positional condemnation (i.e., in Adam). With this positional condemnation, we are immediately born qualified to be the recipients of God's grace and mercy. This is illustrated in Rom 11.32.
The other condemnation is 'eternal' condemnation. This is what happens when a person rejects Christ as Savior, see Matt 12.37. A person is eternally condemned by rejecting Jesus as Savior. It is by his words that he is condemned. The important thing to remember is nobody is born eternally condemned, only positional condemnation. As an illustration of this, see 2 Sam 12. David's new born child died and went to Paradise. This is why David says he will see his son again, because there is no basic for the child's eternal condemnation, only positional condemnation.
Another important point to bring out is that unbelievers are not eternally condemned for their personal sins. All sins were paid for by Christ on the Cross. That is why the gospel is the good news to unbelievers. The issue is no longer sin, but a Son. Go to any judgment passage for believers or unbelievers, you will not see the word sin mentioned. For the believer, he goes to the Rewards Ceremony (mistranslated Judgment Seat of Christ) after being rewarded for his works. For the unbeliever, he goes to the Lake of Fire based on his works (his works will not get him into heaven). Not by works of righteousness which we have done...
I will reread this post after I get back tonight. Didn't have time to edit it yet.
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Your points here are:
Adam is not God because He was called a son of God.
Did Paul say Christ was in Jesus?
Or do we hear
That Jesus is the Christ?
When I hear the terms " The Christ" I think of the one who is to come, or the messiah.
Therefore Jesus is the Christ- the annoited one.
So I agree that Jesus is the word made flesh and hence human. But here I see Him as the Christ. The one that "Moses wrote" about.
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When you divide the son from the physical body of Jesus it gets confusing.
For scripture says the word was made flesh and dwelt among us
You mentioned the above to prove?
All I would interpret here is- that one is born of the Spirit, seeing that God is Spirit.
14 Now the Word became flesh and took up residence among us. We saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, full of grace and truth, who came from the Father. 15 John testified about him and shouted out, “This one was the one about whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is greater than I am, because he existed before me.’” 16For we have all received from his fullness one gracious gift after aanother.17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known.
I don't think Adam had Eternal life yet, because it never says He ate off the tree of life.
Yes but the Spirit is not quickened together with Christ, regenerated until one comes to believe who Jesus is.
I'm not agreeing here. Because scripture says Jesus was always obedient to His father and because of that His father never left Him alone.
If you didn't seperate Jesus then you might be ok
Scrips say:
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God resides in him and he in God.
And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, who calls “Abba! Father!”Galatians
You use a lot of scripture- however I just can't see it that Jesus is divided...He obeyed the Father through His own Spirit. I read John but not sure what you wanted me to see
Jesus is the Christ, son of the Living God according to Peter's own testamony.
Christ the Annoited one who would come into the world and came
If you read John as you told Me: Eternal life is that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent.
And by being perfected in this way, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
Scripture are true but Just cant see why you have the need to seperate Jesus physically from being His son....
Jesus always referred to the Father Speaking through Him. And scriptures show it is the Father who had to be obeyed. The Faith of Jesus Christ is that God is in control!
Also God gave Is only begotton son..
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Jesus speaks of the HS as another. The Father does not.
“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles.19But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
The Fathers promise
“’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
The Spirit of Christ in the believer.
“All this I have spoken while still with you.26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you
As I stated in regard to the Spirit of God. I see the person of the Father and, (Son in certain contexts), not any 3rd distinct person that has their own will and mind.
Those who listen and learn from the Father go to the Son.
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
All the fullness of God was pleased to dwell in the Son. Col 1:19 so the Son is all that the Father is. Yet that Deity in the Son is the living Father. The Son is the image of His Father. The radiance of the Fathers glory and the imprint of the Fathers very being for in Him the fullness was pleased to dwell. God from true God NOT true God from true God. Father and Son and they are one. The nature found in the Logos is the Fathers nature not His own. A Son who is called mighty God.
Were they not translated from the same Greek words? The greek does not differ the English words differ as the more modern translations use Spirit not Ghost. The KJV uses outdated terms.
As you also stated, "Jesus speaks of the HS as another." But, what else does Jesus say when he says that?
Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (ESV)
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Joh 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." (ESV)
Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. (ESV)
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
Joh 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
Joh 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;
Joh 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
Joh 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (ESV)
Jesus says the Holy Spirit is “another Helper.” That implies both that Jesus is the first “Helper” and that the Holy Spirit is one who is like him but distinct from him, which implies personhood. That is the plain reading of the text.
And what is a "Helper"? When we look at the Greek, it is the word parakletos, which means "helper, counselor, comforter, advocate;" all of which either are or can be actions of persons. The meaning of advocate is important since persons advocate on behalf of other persons; "its" cannot advocate for anyone or anything.
Parakletos is used only five times in the NT. In addition to the above four instances in John, the fifth is also by John here, for "advocate":
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (ESV)
Jesus is said, by John, to be an advocate. It is not insignificant, then, that John records Jesus saying that he will send "another parakletos." Jesus was the first parakletos, and remains so, but in John’s gospel he was returning to the Father and the disciples still needed much help and guidance. It all points to the Spirit being a person and also being truly God, in the same way Jesus is truly God.
An advocate can only be a person. We also see in these passages that the actions of this other Helper include teaching, bringing things to remembrance, bearing witness, convicting of sin, guiding into all truth, hearing, and speaking and declaring. These are actions of personal agency, not an "it." Jesus also says it is for their advantage that he leaves and sends this Advocate. How is it, then, that having an "it" would be to their advantage? Could a chair, rock, or impersonal power do any of these things or be of an advantage when Jesus left?
Additionally, the Holy Spirit:
Acts: Matt 4:1; Acts 8:39, 16:7
Listens: John 16:13
Speaks: John 16:13-15; Acts 1:16, 10:19, 11:12, 11:28, 13:2, 15:28; 1 Tim 4:1; Heb 3:7
Can be lied to: Acts 5:3, which is the same as lying to God (5:9)
Bears witness: Rom 8:16; Heb 10:15; 1 John 5:6
Helps, intercedes, and searches: John 14:16, 15:26, 16:7; Rom 8:26-27; 1 Cor 2:10
Teaches: Luke 12:12; John 16:13; 1 Cor 2:13
Gives gifts: Acts 20:28; 1 Cor 12:11; Heb 2:4
Leads: John 16:13; Gal 5:18, Heb 9:8
Can be grieved: Eph 4:30
Can be outraged: Heb 10:29
Can be blasphemed: Matt 12:31-32
Convicts: John 16:8-11
These are all actions of personal agency. Everything about the Holy Spirit in these passages strongly imply that the Holy Spirit is a divine person who is distinct from the Father and the Son.