Bible Study JESUS OUR EXAMPLE and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[Eugene]

God's LAW is the MINISTRATION OF DEATH because the penalty for breaking God's LAW (10 Commandments is DEATH

Happy New Year. May I ask what you believe the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was?
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.
Reading this scripture the tree of the knowledge only brought us to know what good and evil were. Could it possibly bring life to any that partook of it except our Savior? And then what of the fact that merely partaking of the tree of Life Adam and Eve would live forever? Any idea Who the Tree of Life is?

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

What in your opinion is the penalty of these transgressions? Is everyone not observing the ministration of death as their pathway to salvation no longer in Christ?
How do you see Rom 14:6 as pertaining to our salvation? He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Rom 14:3 says that God receives us both. Thanks.

 

[Douglas Summers]

8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)

Hi LGW, Back in the 60's there was what was called the blue Law. Most stores were closed on Sunday and you could not sell anything that had to do with work. Only food was sold and those stores were only open a half a day. The purpose of the 2 day weekend back years ago was to allow those who followed the Sabbath on Saturday and for those who worshiped on Sunday, Money grubbers had that done away with, even as you see the anti Christ to day as they tear down Christian values, claiming that it violates the constitution of the USA for freedom from religion. NOTE* There is no such Law! Christ said that the Sabbath was made for man, and man was not made for the Sabbath. (Mark 2:26-27) Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, He will decide what is Holy and what is not. The Church always meet on the first day of the week, (1 Cor. 16:1-2) (Acts 20:7). It was also the Day Christ arose from the grave (Mark 16:9). Israel worshiped on the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was not for worship at the synagogue, thou Israel did so of their own decision. You can not have Life under the Law, nor can you do away with the Law but you uphold the Law (Rom. 3:31). So, how do you uphold the? The Holy Law condemns, It condemns the most righteous man, which was God's intention. Why? To bring to guilty man the knowledge of his sins and his utter helplessness in view of God's just requirements, therefore sending us to Christ (God's Grace). Grace saves the most wicked man. The Law can not justify or perfect righteousness, can not save, build up, redeem, make acceptable, forgive, give an inheritance or provide a throne to which we can come to in the presence of the Father for mercy or give us a blessed hope. The Cross of Christ does all of that (Christ, God's Grace against the Law.) So, if you can keep the Sabbath Holy, Good, What about the other nine. Is that what you are going to present to God to enter in? Then you would be right up there with Christ, and no need of His sacrifice. Perfect in The Law?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Who is teaching to turn away from God's Commandments? Romans 3:31 says, "we do not void the law because we have faith, but instead, We uphold the law,". Do you understand what that means?

In Christ
Douglas Summers

Hi Douglas,

BIG Welcome here my friend. Happy New Years to you and your family! Absolutely, and this is the NEW Covenant promise of Hebrews 8 quoted from the Old Testament of Jeremiah and Ezekiel of God giving us His Spirit of LOVE writing his LAW in our hearts so we can FOLLOW Him who calls us by FAITH. SALVATION is FROM SIN not IN SIN like many believe it is today.

It was SIN that destroyed the people of in the days of NOAH and Sodom and it will be SIN that destroys those who FOLLOW it at the second coming of Jesus. AS it was in the days of NOAH and SODOM so shall it be in the coming of the SON of MAN (Luke 17:26-30)

Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him are NOT his people and do not KNOW HIM or trust in HIM for salvation because the FRUIT of their FAITH is not the OBEDIENCE of LOVE (James 2:18; 20; 27; 1 John 3:6-8).

If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who is calling you. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) if you break ANY one of them you stand guilty before God in SIN and need to seek him in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS. Please read; James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:13-23; 1 John 3:6-8; 1 John 3:4; James 2:8-12.

If your tree does not bear the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE is will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 7:13-23)

Douglas thanks for your post right to the point and well written and shared.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi LGW, Back in the 60's there was what was called the blue Law. Most stores were closed on Sunday and you could not sell anything that had to do with work. Only food was sold and those stores were only open a half a day. The purpose of the 2 day weekend back years ago was to allow those who followed the Sabbath on Saturday and for those who worshiped on Sunday, Money grubbers had that done away with, even as you see the anti Christ to day as they tear down Christian values, claiming that it violates the constitution of the USA for freedom from religion. NOTE* There is no such Law! Christ said that the Sabbath was made for man, and man was not made for the Sabbath. (Mark 2:26-27) Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, He will decide what is Holy and what is not.

Very interesting post Douglas about the BLUE laws. For those not familiar with the term these are the legislated Sunday LAWS written into US law. The give the US Government power to FORCE people under penalty to REST on Sunday, to do NO WORK, business or trading. They are actually still on the US Law books today but the ONLY difference is that they at dormant and not enforced at the moment. For those interested you can read about them more at Wiki (US Blue Laws; Link provided wiki)

The Church always meet on the first day of the week, (1 Cor. 16:1-2) (Acts 20:7). It was also the Day Christ arose from the grave (Mark 16:9). Israel worshiped on the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was not for worship at the synagogue, thou Israel did so of their own decision. You can not have Life under the Law, nor can you do away with the Law but you uphold the Law (Rom. 3:31). So, how do you uphold the? The Holy Law condemns, It condemns the most righteous man, which was God's intention. Why? To bring to guilty man the knowledge of his sins and his utter helplessness in view of God's just requirements, therefore sending us to Christ (God's Grace). Grace saves the most wicked man. The Law can not justify or perfect righteousness, can not save, build up, redeem, make acceptable, forgive, give an inheritance or provide a throne to which we can come to in the presence of the Father for mercy or give us a blessed hope. The Cross of Christ does all of that (Christ, God's Grace against the Law.)

Absoluetly Douglas, very well written this is the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments) in both the OLD Covenant and the NEW Covenant. It is our mirror to show us who we really are. SINNERS in need of a SAVIOR. God's LAW only gives us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Good and Evil). It cann ot make anything perfect and none of us are saved by it.

If there is NO LAW then we have NO KNOWLEDGE of SIN. If we have NO KNOWLEDGE of SIN we have NO NEED of a Savior. If we have NO NEED of a Savior we have NO SALVATION. IF we have NO SALVATION we are lost and still in our SINS and still standing guilty before God.

Jesus says; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick, but go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance (Matthew 9:12-13). Many do not know the meaning.

LAW leads to GRACE. The one leads to the other. If you separate them you have another Gospel.

We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS least any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)

If your FAITH however, does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who is calling you. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) if you break ANY one of them you stand guilty before God in SIN and need to seek him in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS. Please read; James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:13-23; 1 John 3:6-8; 1 John 3:4; James 2:8-12.

If your tree does not bear the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE is will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 7:13-23)

So, if you can keep the Sabbath Holy, Good, What about the other nine. Is that what you are going to present to God to enter in? Then you would be right up there with Christ, and no need of His sacrifice. Perfect in The Law?

It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).

Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).

But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Douglas, I enjoyed reading your post and insight. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts here and may God bless you as you continue in His Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Good one Reba. Also, if he keeps the Shabbath (Aramaic/Hebrew), but violates any of the others, he's violated the Shabbath.

Hello Chopper, BIG WELCOME here my friend and a very HAPPY NEW YEARS to you and your family for the NEW YEAR.

It's never been about following the God's Sabbath or God's LAW for salvation its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).

Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).

But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If there is NO LAW then we have NO KNOWLEDGE of SIN. If we have NO KNOWLEDGE of SIN we have NO NEED of a Savior. If we have NO NEED of a Savior we have NO SALVATION. IF we have NO SALVATION we are lost and still in our SINS and still standing guilty before God.

Jesus says; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick, but go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance (Matthew 9:12-13). Many do not know the meaning.

LAW leads to GRACE. The one leads to the other. If you separate them you have another Gospel.

We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS least any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)

If your FAITH however, does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who is calling you. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) if you break ANY one of them you stand guilty before God in SIN and need to seek him in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS. Please read; James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:13-23; 1 John 3:6-8; 1 John 3:4; James 2:8-12.

Salvation is from SIN not IN SIN....

If your tree does not bear the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE is will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 7:13-23)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

 

[for_his_glory]

The Ten Commandments were written on two tablets of stone by Gods own hand on Mt. Sinai and given to Moses. Seven of them were first spoken to Noah after the flood who would be considered a Gentile, (look up Noahic Laws) as it was Abraham that was first called a Hebrew by God, Genesis 14:13. Three of the Ten Commandments were added at the time of Moses as the population of the world grew and also turned away from God. What God gave to Moses was written in stone and placed in the Ark of the Covenant as Jew and Gentile are to follow all ten.

What Moses was also given by God on Mt. Sinai was to be written on parchment and only given to the Hebrews (Jews) as these were additional 603 laws and never intended for Gentiles. These laws were given after the exodus from Egypt as God brought the Jews to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, Exodus 16:1, where they soon fell away from God once again going after other gods.

The Sabbath talked about in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11 is Gods day of rest from all the work you accomplished that week. God hand wrote the commandment on tablet of stone as a day to keep holy in remembrance of all He created that was good and rested from all His work. It wasn't that God was tired, but that in a sense it's like taking a day off to do nothing as you finished your work for the week.

In Matthew 12:1-13 the Pharisees tried to accuse Jesus and His disciples of breaking the Sabbath and working that day as the disciples pluck some corn to eat while they were walking with Jesus in the field and that Jesus healing on the Sabbath, especially in the synagogue, was that of works, but Jesus told them it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath, which is different then working.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said:
God's LAW is the MINISTRATION OF DEATH because the penalty for breaking God's LAW (10 Commandments is DEATH

Happy New Year. May I ask what you believe the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was?
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.
Reading this scripture the tree of the knowledge only brought us to know what good and evil were. Could it possibly bring life to any that partook of it except our Savior? And then what of the fact that merely partaking of the tree of Life Adam and Eve would live forever? Any idea Who the Tree of Life is?

Hello Eugene,

Thankyou my friend and a very HAPPY NEW YEARS to both you and your family wishing you God's blessings for the new year in 2018. This is actually a very good question. I most likely do not know everything about these scripture but I am happy to share with you what God has shared with me through His Word as I seek him there to know him. He is the true teacher and all must seek him to know his truth because it must be revealed through his Spirit, (John 14:26; 16:13: John 7:17) as we continue in His Word BELIEVING and FOLLOWING Him who calls us (John 8:31-32).

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL?

Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3 (this may be too long a study but let's try and make it shorter there are a lot of conencting scripture which I may add a few here only)

Let's start here with the father of lies......

John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.

The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.

links to...........

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

links to...........

1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do)

The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....

Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)

3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.

4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)

5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>

6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >

8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpant and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE. Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment NOT TO EAT the FRUIT lest you DIE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD.

I BELIEVE the TREE of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL represents God's 10 commandments.

THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.

SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin and eating of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil when God has asked us not to eat of it (Genesis 3: 1-11; James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said:
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

What in your opinion is the penalty of these transgressions? Is everyone not observing the ministration of death as their pathway to salvation no longer in Christ?

This was posted earlier to someone else but applicable here as well......

It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).

Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).

But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

How do you see Rom 14:6 as pertaining to our salvation? He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Rom 14:3 says that God receives us both. Thanks.

Answered already with scriptures. Please see the linked posts # 22; 28;

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

 

[Papa Zoom]

Here's the problem I have with the OP. Do we believe God or man? Then, we have a 5 part explanation by a man telling us what to believe. Yes, you have lots of Scripture. But if it all has to be explained and put together (by a person) then it's not from God but from a person. I reject the idea that the Sabbath must be observed today. There are plenty of arguments I've heard on both sides. If I had a job that required working on Saturdays (which I did at one time) I'd work. I've even had to work 7 days a week because I needed $$ to feed my growing family.

If you believe that the Sabbath is Holy and MUST be observed, then you must observe it or you are in sin over it. I don't have to observe it and it is NOT sin for me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In Matthew 12:1-13 the Pharisees tried to accuse Jesus and His disciples of breaking the Sabbath and working that day as the disciples pluck some corn to eat while they were walking with Jesus in the field and that Jesus healing on the Sabbath, especially in the synagogue, was that of works, but Jesus told them it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath, which is different then working.

Absolutely FHG, and this is what Jesus has come to teach us in the NEW Testament. That man is not made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was intended to be a blessing to all mankind. Jesus came to teach all that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath and he is the creator of it.

Thanks for sharing FHG nice points.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here's the problem I have with the OP. Do we believe God or man? Then, we have a 5 part explanation by a man telling us what to believe. Yes, you have lots of Scripture. But if it all has to be explained and put together (by a person) then it's not from God but from a person. I reject the idea that the Sabbath must be observed today. There are plenty of arguments I've heard on both sides. If I had a job that required working on Saturdays (which I did at one time) I'd work. I've even had to work 7 days a week because I needed $$ to feed my growing family. If you believe that the Sabbath is Holy and MUST be observed, then you must observe it or you are in sin over it. I don't have to observe it and it is NOT sin for me.

Hello Papa Zoom great point.

Please if you disagree with the OP please feel free to address each of the scriptures in each post stating why you disagree. If you cannot then God calls us to be like the faithful Bareans and study to show yourself approved of God to see if these things be so. I am not asking anyone to BELIEVE me but only point all to God's WORD that each one of us may KNOW him who is calling us.

WE should be careful however our WALK with the LORD is an ever growing one. If God' sends us His WORD and we REJECT it God has no way of reaching us.

It is SIN that will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM. SIN is the breaking of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now when a KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH is COME calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word

 

[Papa Zoom]

Hello Papa Zoom great point.

Please if you disagree with the OP please feel free to address each of the scriptures in each post stating why you disagree. If you cannot then God calls us to be like the faithful Bareans and study to show yourself approved of God to see if these things be so. I am not asking anyone to BELIEVE me but only point all to God's WORD that each one of us may KNOW him who is calling us.

WE should be careful however our WALK with the LORD is an ever growing one. If God' sends us His WORD and we REJECT it God has no way of reaching us.

It is SIN that will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM. SIN is the breaking of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now when a KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH is COME calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word

I don't agree I have to address each and every Scripture you have quoted and then refute them. You can do that in a formal debate. I will provide an explanation for my position and then leave it at that.

I would not want to talk you out of your position regarding your observance of the Sabbath. That is between you and God. Neither do I believe you ought to try to talk others into your position. I think the Bible is pretty clear that there is room for both views and that we are to follow our conscience - freely and without guilt.

 

[ezra]

imo every day is the Sabbath the most important thing to keep is ourselves Holy . i hope this dont generate 2 pages ofreply

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't agree I have to address each and every Scripture you have quoted and then refute them. You can do that in a formal debate. I will provide an explanation for my position and then leave it at that.

I would not want to talk you out of your position regarding your observance of the Sabbath. That is between you and God. Neither do I believe you ought to try to talk others into your position. I think the Bible is pretty clear that there is room for both views and that we are to follow our conscience - freely and without guilt.

This is your choosing and you have the right to believe and do as you wish to. I do not judge you for what you do as this is between you and God and no one else but to simply state an opinion over God's Word is not what God wants anyone to do as it is written; Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged (Romans 3:4).

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it because it will judge us all in the last days (John 12:46-47)

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word...

 

[Papa Zoom]

I do observe a day of rest and do encourage others to do the same. Not because I think it's required of me but, because it's both Spiritually healthy and physically (and mentally) necessary. In the OT model, the Sabbath was 6 work days and one day of rest. Additionally, if a person violated the Sabbath, they could be put to death. I wonder if the OP also supports the death penalty for those that don't observe the Sabbath?

Numbers 15:32-36New King James Version (NKJV)
Penalty for Violating the Sabbath
32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.

Colossians 2:16-17, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”

No one is to judge another by what they do regarding the Sabbath. And for the Christian, our "Lord's Day" is Sunday. Many Christians have no choice to work on Saturdays. Some have to work on Sundays or they couldn't hold a job.

Romans 14:5 “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

I think it's pretty clear that we each have the freedom in Christ to decide for ourselves. Everyday is a gift from God. Some approach life this way. Each day is a day as unto the Lord.

Galations 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

If however a Christian believes he/she should practice Sabbath Day keeping, then they should. (Romans 14:5).

But those who practice such should not judge those who don't. (Colossians 2:16).

Also worth considering is (1 Corinthians 8:9) as a reminder not to use one's freedom as a stumbling block for others.

Galatians 5:13-15 “You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.”

In the end, we ought to respect where each other is in regards to this (and others) issue of freedom as we walk with the Lord. We Christians love to find things to argue over though. So I doubt this issue will ever end. As for me and my house,l we will do as we are "fully convinced in [our] own minds." (Romans 14:5)

And, my conscience is clear. Peace

 

[LoveGodsWord]

imo every day is the Sabbath the most important thing to keep is ourselves Holy . i hope this dont generate 2 pages ofreply

Hi Ezra,

So nice to meet you here and a very happy NEW YEARS to you and your family as well! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Where does it say in God's Word that EVERY day is a Sabbath? According to the 4th commandment of the God's 10 only the 7th Day is the Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11)

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word. Nice to meet you here

 

[Papa Zoom]

This is your choosing and you have the right to believe and do as you wish to. I do not judge you for what you do as this is between you and God and no one else but to simply state an opinion over God's Word is not what God wants anyone today as it is written; Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged (Romans 3:4).

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it because it will judge us all in the last days (John 12:46-47)

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word...

Yes and well said. And remember, the Bible doesn't say anything. We read it, we infer meaning from the text. No one has a perfect theology. And the person to trust least in fully understanding God's word is oneself. At least this is my approach. That is not to say we shouldn't try. But I've been fully convinced of things in the past and even had a few "theological hills to die on" and yet today I have rejected those views as errors in understanding. So I'm careful how firmly I hold on to some things.

 

[Eugene]

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

I reckon the above scripture removes the need of real Christians confessing our sins, where it says that He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness in 1 Jn 1:9? What I understand from your testimony on this thread is that you never transgress God's law or instruction, or you wouldn't be a part of God's kingdom.

I would further ask if it is fellowship, and the joy derived of that fellowship instead of salvation being the context in the following scriptures?
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

Would you consider you as being born of God? 1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not . . .
Have you even once broke a speed limit since becoming a part of God's kingdom, and if so, why?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes and well said. And remember, the Bible doesn't say anything. We read it, we infer meaning from the text. No one has a perfect theology. And the person to trust least in fully understanding God's word is oneself. At least this is my approach. That is not to say we shouldn't try. But I've been fully convinced of things in the past and even had a few "theological hills to die on" and yet today I have rejected those views as errors in understanding. So I'm careful how firmly I hold on to some things.

Joh 15:26,
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh 16:13,
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John 7
16, Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17, If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

 

[Corn Pop]

Who should we Trust, God or Man?. I think the following Verse sums it up.

Jeremiah 17:5