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Jesus was made alive "in the spirit" not the flesh.

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(NWT) 1 Peter 3:18 Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.

The above rendering is very well supported by the Bible transaltions from s-Sword:-

1Pe 3:18

(ASV) Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

(BBE) Because Christ once went through pain for sins, the upright one taking the place of sinners, so that through him we might come back to God; being put to death in the flesh, but given life in the Spirit;

(Bishops) Forasmuch as Christe hath once suffered for sinnes, the iust for the vniust to bryng vs to God, and was kylled as parteynyng to the fleshe, but was quickened in the spirite.

(CEV) Christ died once for our sins. An innocent person died for those who are guilty. Christ did this to bring you to God, when his body was put to death and his spirit was made alive.

(Darby) for Christ indeed has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in flesh, but made alive in the Spirit,

(DRB) Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit,

(EMTV) For Christ also suffered once to atone for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit,

(ESV) For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

(GNB) For Christ died for sins once and for all, a good man on behalf of sinners, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually,

(ISV) For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, an innocent person for the guilty, so that he could bring you to God. He was put to death in the sphere of the flesh but was made alive in the sphere of the spirit,
(LITV) Because even Christ once suffered concerning sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God; indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;

(MKJV) For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;

(Murdock) For the Messiah also once died for our sins, the righteous for sinners; that he might bring you to God. And he died in body, but lived in spirit.

(NSB) Because Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

(RV) Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the spirit;

(WNT) because Christ also once for all died for sins, the innocent One for the guilty many, in order to bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,

(YLT) because also Christ once for sin did suffer--righteous for unrighteous--that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit,

And not as the KJV says, which is a poor translation:-

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:



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oneisgod said:
(NWT) 1 Peter 3:18 Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.
The conclusion you are drawing - that Jesus was not raised bodily - rests on a very fundamental error that many "mainstream" Christians also make. That error is that the New Testament writers used the term "spiritual" to denote something that is necessarilty non-physical.

And this is not the case. For people like Paul, a spiritual body was indeed a physical body. May I suggest that you are thinking like a Greek platonist, not a first century Hebrew.

I will repost something from another thread.

With what kind of body will they come?" 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

Note that Paul is distinguishing between different kinds of physicality here - he is not drawing any kind of distinction between "physical" and "non-physical.

Let's continue:

So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

Now let's be clear here. Paul would be quite incompetent to give a long story distinguishing one type of physicality from another kind of physicality, and then to draw to a conclusion that was about an entirely different kind of distinction - between the physical and the non-physical.

When Paul refers to a "spiritual" body here, he is referring to a physical body. In our culture, the term "spiritual" has a strong implication of "non-physicality". But this is not the way the Jew thought, and is clearly not the way Paul is thinking here.

You are also, I suggest, leveraging off the fact that in the western world, we largely are living from the legacy of Greek thinking - thinking that indeed split reality into "material" and "immaterial". That is not a Hebrew way of thinking. And Paul teaches from a specifically Jewish worldview.
 
The Bible says it was the Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead.

Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

God bless.
 
Act 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,


Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, [now] no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.


Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another [psalm], Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:


Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.


Refer also to Acts 2:27

and Ps. 16:10

Did a mere phantom walk along with the 2 disciples on the road to Emmaus? Are the apostles liars?


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Christ has the ability to simply appear and disappear...and He did this before and after His resurrection. He ate food before His birth in this flesh life and He ate food after His resurrection. Perhaps we aren't yet able to recognize what being in Spirit truly means.
 
LanceEh said:
The Bible says it was the Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead.

Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

God bless.
I believe the point of the OP is that Jesus was not physically resurrected. That position only has legs because people levarage an entirely incorrect concept of what "spiritual" means. I'll be you dollars to donuts that "oneisgod" believes that to be "made alive in the spirit" cannot entail physicality since "spirit" is, by definition, non-physical.

Well that is the wrong. As has already been shown in this thread, we know that, for Paul at least, a spiritual body is indeed a physical body. Of course, many "mainstream" Christians make the same error, seeing "spirit" as being "immaterial" or "non-physical.

In any event, the text you post also endorses the physicality of Jesus' resurrection - Paul basically says that our resurrection will be physical - "quicken our mortal bodies" - and refers to Jesus' resurrection as a precedent.

oneisgod is free to believe what he or she likes. But there is no doubt - the resurrection of Jesus as described in the Scriptures is definitely a physical one.

There are so many arguments for this that I could wear my keypad out writing about them.
 
........Luk 24:22 Moreover certain women of our company amazed us, having been early at the tomb;
Luk 24:23 and when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive.
 
Pardon me but the KJV is the better translation, the others lead to JUST the error the OP has made. Christ most certainly was resurrected in the flesh, his old body made alive by the blood, his resurrected body by the Spirit. That is why Thomas was able to place his fingers into the nail prints in his hands, and his hand into the wound in his side. This was to prove that indeed he was alive in the flesh, and not just a spirit.

The MV's partially follow the Gnostic teaching, rejecting matter, that said Christ was never in the flesh, but was spirit only. I would be very careful, rejecting Jesus was in the flesh before, or after his resurrection, is nothing short of blasphemy. It is rejecting a work of the Holy Spirit, which condemned the Pharisees.
 
I bet you that oneisgod is a Jehovah witnesse.

And notice even how the username is spelled with a small (g) for God. All through the Bible when the small g is used in reference to God it is speaking about a demon or a false god.
 
ONEISGOD, please explain the following verse.

Luke 24:39
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.

Now what part of this verse do you not understand?
I sure would like to read the NWT version of this verse....

And ask for the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 
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