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Jesus was Muslim

"In thier Hearts is a disease;
And God has Increased Their Disease;
And Grevious Is the Penalty They (Incur),
Because they are false (to themselves). Holy Quran 2:10
 
Can Muhammad be the "Comforter"?

According to the context of John chapters 14 and 16, Jesus said that the parakletos is not a human being:
  • 14:16-- "to be with you forever" (A human being doesn't live forever.)
    14:17-- "the spirit of truth" (A human being is distinct from spirit.)
    14:17-- "The world ... neither sees him" (A human being is visible.)
    14:17-- "nor knows him" (A human being would be known by others.)
    14:17-- "he ... will be in you" (A human being cannot be within others.)

Jesus said the parakletos' specific mission was to point to him:
  • 14:26--"whom the Father will send in my [Jesus'] name"
    14:26--"will remind you of everything I [Jesus] have said to you"
    16:08--"He will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin"
    16:14--"He will bring glory to me [Jesus]"

Jesus said that the parakletos is a spirit:
  • 14:17--"the Spirit of Truth"
    14:26--"the Counsellor [parakletos], the Holy Spirit"

It is clear from the context that no human prophet or angelic being can qualify as the parakletos. Consider: he will be with them forever, not seen, nor known, yet within others, and will set about reminding the people of what Jesus did, while bringing glory to Jesus. There is only one being who qualifies in all these areas, the Holy Spirit of the Injil, whom Jesus pointedly identifies as the parakletos. He fulfills all the above requirements.

In the first chapter of Acts, Jesus, just before he was to be taken up into heaven, and 40 days after he had first promised the coming of Holy Spirit (John14:16 and John16:7), again speaks of this "gift". He says:

vs.4--"wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about"
vs.5--"in a few days you will be baptised with the Holy Spirit."
It is obvious that this counsellor of whom Jesus speaks is indeed the Holy Spirit, who came in power 10 days after Jesus left, on the day of Pentecost (translated as the 50th day), and 570 years before the birth of Muhammad.

:)

Comforter: http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=12608

Prophet like you: http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=12635

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14:16-- "to be with you forever" (A human being doesn't live forever.)
14:17-- "the spirit of truth" (A human being is distinct from spirit.)
14:17-- "The world ... neither sees him" (A human being is visible.)
14:17-- "nor knows him" (A human being would be known by others.)
14:17-- "he ... will be in you" (A human being cannot be within others.)

Regarding "to be with you forever" the point is a reference to the fact that his message will last for ever. Consider the following:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying."

John 8:51-55


and also


"And I (Jesus) give unto them (the believers) eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

John 10:28


and "and my servant David [shall be] their prince forever."

Ezekiel 37:25.


and "The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD ... He asked life of thee, [and] thou gavest [it] him, [even] length of days for ever and ever."

Psalm 21:1-4


... etc.


Jesus (pbuh) is quoted many times in the Bible as telling his followers that they will never taste death. However, there is not a single one of them alive to this day. Was he lying? Of course not! As seen above, Jesus' (pbuh) was not telling mankind that his followers would never grow old nor die, rather he was speaking about their second life in the hereafter. He was telling them that the life that we hold so dear and spend so much time fretting over and striving to improve is all but insignificant if compared to the true life, the afterlife. So much so that life and death on this earth is unworthy of consideration. Everything in his estimation revolved around an eternal striving for the reward of the afterlife and this was the yardstick by which all matters were to be measured.


In a similar manner, when king David is described as being a prince forever, this did not mean that he would never die but remain immortal for ever and ever as a prince to Israel. Rather, his teachings, name, and guidance shall remain as a shining beacon to mankind even after his death. In this manner, Jesus (pbuh) lives among us through his faith and teachings, prophet Abraham (pbuh) lives on among them and us through his faith and teachings, and so too, the coming Paraclete will live eternally with us through his faith and teachings.


The Paracletos will be the last prophet, because he will "abide with you forever" and "he will guide you into all truth" (Greek "into the whole truth") and "he shall teach you all things," so there will be no need for any further prophets. In the Qur'an we read:


"Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is Aware of all things."

The noble Qur'an, , al-Ahzab(33):40


And "This day have I (God) perfected your religion for you (mankind) and completed My favor unto you, and have chosen for you as religion Islam(the submission)."

The noble Qur'an, al-Maidah(5):3


So the religion of Islam is the last message to mankind and it, as well as the Qur'an, will abide with them forever. To this day, Muhammad (pbuh) abides with us through his teachings. Muhammad (pbuh) indeed remains alive and well among us in the vast collection of over 9,500 quotations recorded from him during his lifetime in a broad range of topics. This collection of quotations is named the "Hadeeth." To this day, whenever a Muslims wishes to perform any action no matter how trivial, he does not advance a single step before first consulting Allah/God (in the Qur'an), and then prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (in the Hadeeth). Be it a question on how and what to eat or drink, how to perform marriages, how to pray, what sort of trade or commerce is permissible or prohibited, or what sort of clothes to wear, no Muslim presumes to undertake any action before first obtaining the approval of God then His prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) truly is alive and well among us.

So Jesus is saying that the comforter will abide forever in his teachings. 1.5 Billion Muslims are living proof that his message has abided and will further be with us until Doomsday.

Next, The Term "Spirit Of Truth". As i have stated before the word Spirit does not always concern the Holy Ghost, or something that is not Human. For example John uses the terms Spirit and Prophet Interchangabley with each other.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world,"

1 John 4:1-3:

Here we see that A False Spirit is a False Prophet, and a true Prophet is a true spirit. See also 1 John 4:6

"...which the world cannot recieve because it niether beholds it nor knows it..." This still can fit Muhammed. Jesus says the 'world can not recieve' him. Why? Because the world is not fit to recieve him. Compare it too 'i have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot BEAR THEM NOW...'
"It neither beholds it, nor knows it" All Jesus is trying to say here is that the spirit of truth has not yet been sent, so nobody knows it yet, but when he comes he will guide man 'into all truth'.(Juhn 16:13) I ask again,What new truths has the Holy Ghost brought into the world in the last 2000 years other than what Jesus himself brought. So back to "neither beholds it or knows it", it merely means that the Spirit of Truth (Muhammed) is not in the world yet, and is yet to come.

The terms 'he is in you' is again metephorical, and this is the language that Jesus commonly used.

14:26--"whom the Father will send in my [Jesus'] name"
14:26--"will remind you of everything I [Jesus] have said to you"
16:08--"He will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin"
16:14--"He will bring glory to me [Jesus]"

These were all answered in my previous post but, just to reemphasize on the fact reminding 'of everything' Jesus Said, cannot possibly refer to the Holy Ghost. How can the Holy Ghost Remind people. The Christian would say he can inspire, but how can we ever prove what someone has been inspired by? No, what he is talking about is someone, a human, who will remind people about the fact that Jesus came on the earth, that he was the Messiah, and was a prophet Of God. He will also remind specifically, the Mission of Jesus to the People. Now why would the Paraclete need to do that. Because Jesus knows that the Paraclete will come at a time when his message will have been distorted, and people will have strayed, believing that he is God and the begotten son of God. Otherwise, why does the Paraclete need to Remind. There is a definite purpose behind this, and one which Muhammed did indeed fullfil.


14:17--"the Spirit of Truth"
14:26--"the Counsellor [parakletos], the Holy Spirit"

I have no hesitation, and nor does any Muslim, in accepting that Muhammed is a spirit of Truth, because as i stated earlier the term spirit does not always have the same meaning. Spirit is used interchangabley with Prophet :

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world," 1 John 4:1-3

Also Spirit of truth corresponds with the title that was given to the Prophet Muhammed, Al-Amin, meaning the trustworthy, a title that he was given way before prophethood, when he was a child.
 
The Hadith

Qasim: This collection of quotations is named the "Hadeeth." To this day, whenever a Muslims wishes to perform any action no matter how trivial, he does not advance a single step before first consulting Allah/God (in the Qur'an), and then prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (in the Hadeeth). Be it a question on how and what to eat or drink, how to perform marriages, how to pray, what sort of trade or commerce is permissible or prohibited, or what sort of clothes to wear, no Muslim presumes to undertake any action before first obtaining the approval of God then His prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) truly is alive and well among us.

Gary: Do you follow all the Hadith? All of Bukhari?
 
Yes we are commanded to follow the Sunnah of the prophet and his words, but we are not told to believe in every single hadith, because they are subject to authencity, however the Quran is different because God said he would go out of his way to protect the Quran. But Overall, yes i accept the Hadith. But what has that Got to do with Muhammed In the Bible
 
Spirit of truth

Qasim: I have no hesitation, and nor does any Muslim, in accepting that Muhammed is a spirit of Truth, because as i stated earlier the term spirit does not always have the same meaning. Spirit is used interchangabley with Prophet :

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world," 1 John 4:1-3

Gary: We have every reservation and hesitation in accepting Muhammad as the Spirit of Truth. Muhammad lied, he was deceitful, he murdered, he raped, he stole. Jesus said we would know false prophets "by their fruit." The fruits of Muhammad are rotten.

Again you confuse the spirit with a person, a prophet. The Holy Spirit is a spirit... the spirit may be IN someone. How could Muhammad be IN someone?

Secondly, your exegesis is wrong. Just because spirit and prophet are in the same verse does NOT make them interchangeable.

spirit: Invisible
prophet: Visible

The same evil spirit that was IN Muhammad is seen in many of his followers today.

Jesus, however, was talking about the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God (paraclete).

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The foolishness in the Hadith

Hadith

Qasim: This collection of quotations is named the "Hadeeth." To this day, whenever a Muslims wishes to perform any action no matter how trivial, he does not advance a single step before first consulting Allah/God (in the Qur'an), and then prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (in the Hadeeth). Be it a question on how and what to eat or drink, how to perform marriages, how to pray, what sort of trade or commerce is permissible or prohibited, or what sort of clothes to wear, no Muslim presumes to undertake any action before first obtaining the approval of God then His prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) truly is alive and well among us.

Gary: Do you follow all the Hadith? All of Bukhari?

Qasim: Yes we are commanded to follow the Sunnah of the prophet and his words, but we are not told to believe in every single hadith, because they are subject to authencity, however the Quran is different because God said he would go out of his way to protect the Quran. But Overall, yes i accept the Hadith. But what has that Got to do with Muhammed In the Bible?

Gary: Nothing. YOU raised the topic. However, I am interested to know how you classify "authentic" Hadith. Is there a new list of "authentic" Hadith? Where can I find one?
 
The Spirit which abides in Christians; already poured out
1 John 3:23-24
And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.
And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Notice that it is past tense... "by the Spirit whom He has given us."

Therefore the Spirit cannot be Muhammad who only came 650 years later!
 
Paracletos or Periklutos

Qasim, in your posts, you interchange the word paracletos (comforter) with periklutos (praised one).

That is an old trick. It is generally alleged by Muslims that the Greek word "paracletos" (meaning Comforter, Counsellor, Advocate, etc., in effect, one who unites men to God) is not the original word but that Jesus in fact foretold the coming of Muhammad by name and that the translation of his name into Greek (or at least the meaning of his name in Greek) is "periklutos", that is, the "praised one".

There is not a shred of evidence in favour of the assertion that the original word was "periklutos".

We have thousands of New Testament manuscripts pre-dating Islam and not one of these contains the word "periklutos".

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John 14:9-26a from Papyrus p75 from 200 A.D.,
showing the word "PARACLETOS" in verse 16 and in verse 26,
where it is the last word on the page.
By permission of the Bodmer Library.



The first thing to be understood is that in Greek, unlike Arabic, the vowels are written into the text. Thus to change from pErIclYtos to pArAclEtos would require the alteration of three written letters!!

Secondly there is absolutely no textual evidence for such a reading. Not one copy of the Gospel of John, from the oldest Greek copy of 200 AD until now shows periclytos in place of paracletos. Photograph 7 of Papyrus p75 from 200 AD shows John 14:9-26a. The last word on the page clearly shows "PARACLETOS" from verse 26. Verse 16 has been partly destroyed, but in the middle of the line marked by the two arrows one can still see "PARACL - N" for paracleton. ("ON" signifies a direct object.) In the first case the whole word is visible and in the second, two of the three letters under discussion can be clearly seen.
 
Muhammad lied, he was deceitful, he murdered, he raped, he stole. Jesus said we would know false prophets "by their fruit." The fruits of Muhammad are rotten.

No, Muhammed (Peace Be upon him did not lie) On the Contrary he was Al-Amin: The Trustworthy. Show me where he lied? Everything that came to him was from God. The claims that he was'decietful, murdered, raped and stole are simple your incorrect beliefs due to the fact that you are either ill informed, or ignorant. The Fruits of Muhammed are that on account of Him:

1. Muslims worship One God. Before this, the Arabs has 360 idols in the Kaba. If it wasnt for him, arabs would still be worshipping idols. So effect he removed idolotary with the words 'There is only One God'

2.His Followers Do not Drink Alcohol (There are 11 million Alcoholics in america, and 44 Million Heavy Drinkers - im asking if the islamic law was implemented regarding alcohol, of total abstinance would this number increase, stay the same or decrease)

3. We are prohibited from Gambling ( Last time i checked, America sqaunders 54 billion dollars a year in Gambling: Islam brings the Solution to this Problem)

4. Surpluss Women. There is at the Moment a stupendous problem in the world today of surpluss numbers of Women. In America, there are 8 million more women then men. If every man gets married, there are still 8 million women left without Husbands. In the Uk there are approx 3 million more women then men ( the number may have changed slightly). Now that is a big problem, because if women cant get married, many problems can come from that such as Adultery, illegitimate children, etc etc. What is the Solution? Islam says marry women of your choice, 2,3 or 4 BUT if you feel you will not be able to deal justly between them, marry only one. This solves a stupendous problem that we have in the world today. On account of what? On account of Islam.

5. Rape. Big Problem. What is the Solution? The Islamic Law for Rape is the Death Penalty. Aside from that our dress code is one that solves this problem. Men must be covered from and dressed modestly and women must be covered from head to toe to prevent molestation. If every women in America covered the way a muslim women does, and if the islamic law on rape was implemented, what would happen to numbers of rape. They would definitely decrease.

None of these problems exist in Muslim countries, because Islam is implemented.
There are many other problems for which you have no solutions given to you in your book. Islam gives an answer to your problems.

These are the Fruits of Muhammed
 
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world," 1 John 4:1-3

How many holy spirits do you believe in? Spirit here means prophet. We are told not to believe in every spirit. But to see whether they have been sent from God. We later read that ' every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ came in the flesh is of God.' Do Holy spirits confess. No only a human can do that. Muhammed confessed about Jesus, why not apply this rule to him.
 
Qasim786 said:
1. Muslims worship One God. Before this, the Arabs has 360 idols in the Kaba. If it wasnt for him, arabs would still be worshipping idols. So effect he removed idolotary with the words 'There is only One God'


How on earth can you know this to be true?
 
What was Muhammad?

Qasim said:
The claims that he was decietful, murdered, raped and stole are simple your incorrect beliefs due to the fact that you are either ill informed, or ignorant.

Muhammad was deceitful; he got others to tell lies so that he could murder his opponents.

Muhammad allowed his "men" (or thugs) to rape newly-captured women even while their husbands were still alive!

As Jesus said: ... we will know the false prophets "by their fruits."
 
Fruits of Muhammad

Look around the world.... the terrorists, the suicide bombers, the fanatics who are willing to murder for the god called allah. No longer is the world fooled that Islam is a religion of peace.

Those are the fruits of Islam and Muhammad.

The logical outcome of full implementation of Shari'a law (Islamic law) is a country as backward as Afghanistan. Look at the abuse under Islamic rule!

:sad

Secondly, you are wrong about not having guidance when we follow our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the perfect example for us to model our thinking about our fellow men (and women). We don't need and outdated and incorrect rule book like the Quran and the Hadith .... we have the example of Jesus.

Silas said:
Jesus taught that external forms of religion were of little value. Muhammad never truly knew this. Muhammad taught an austere form of religion, but the inward aspects of his teachings seem to have been mere rhetoric. In Islam, outward obedience is primary, inward purity is not emphasized heavily. Hence a butcher like Ali would lead his people in prayer, but later murder and kill Muslims that did not accept his leadership. Aisha, Muhammad’s child bride, would live in bitterness towards Ali, to his dying day. Uthman, fostered corruption in Islam because he wanted privilege for his clan. Hasan sold his assumed birthright for wealth, and squandered it upon hundreds of wives and concubines.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/rf ... judged.htm

:)
 
More lies...

Qasim said:
Surpluss Women. There is at the Moment a stupendous problem in the world today of surpluss numbers of Women. In America, there are 8 million more women then men. If every man gets married, there are still 8 million women left without Husbands. In the Uk there are approx 3 million more women then men ( the number may have changed slightly). Now that is a big problem, because if women cant get married, many problems can come from that such as Adultery, illegitimate children, etc etc. What is the Solution? Islam says marry women of your choice, 2,3 or 4 BUT if you feel you will not be able to deal justly between them, marry only one. This solves a stupendous problem that we have in the world today. On account of what? On account of Islam.

Firstly, your male/female ratios are wrong. Here are the figures for every country in the world...
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... /2018.html

Notice the ratios.

USA 15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
UK 15-64 years: 1.02 male(s)/female

So your argument has no basis at all.

The Encyclopædia Britannica said:
The Encyclopædia Britannica (15th edition) states in Volume 7, p. 998, in the section:

Genetics, Human
"... Reliably, in almost all human populations studied at birth, there is a slight excess of males; about 106 boys are born for each 100 girls. Throughout life, however, there is a slightly greater mortality of males; this slowly alters the sex ratio until, beyond the age of 50 years, there is an excess of females. "
This means in particular that in the usual age when people consider marriage, i.e. in the range of about 18-40 years, there are more men in each age group than women!!!

The higher number of women is only AFTER the age of 50.

The following questions come to mind: Of those Muslims who practice polygamy, how many are marrying a women 50 years old or older to be their second wife or further wife? Or even their first wife?

Aren't in most polygamous marriages the additional wives YOUNG women, and as such taking away the women of suitable age from the young men who are looking for a partner?

This leads to the concluding question: Are not Muslim men who are marrying a young second wife making the already existing imbalance worse and are as such inconsiderate of the younger men since they are making it harder on them to find an appropriate wife?

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The only statement about polygamy from a Muslim that I find acceptable is "Polygamy is allowed because Allah said so." Do not claim it is right or even necessary because of birth ratios etc. That is objectively false.

If you argue for the necessity of polygamy due to imbalance of the sexes (however this might have come about), are you willing to allow several husbands for a woman in those societies or circumstances where the balance is tilted the other way? If not, then this shows that "ratios" never was the true reason. It is only brought into the discussion to justify with some outside argument what the Qur'an states is the (permissive) will of Allah, but which many Muslims feel they have to defend with other arguments since they feel uncomfortable about just leaving it as "the will of Allah".

Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Women/birthrate.html

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Rape

Qasim said:
Rape. Big Problem. What is the Solution? The Islamic Law for Rape is the Death Penalty. Aside from that our dress code is one that solves this problem. Men must be covered from and dressed modestly and women must be covered from head to toe to prevent molestation. If every women in America covered the way a muslim women does, and if the islamic law on rape was implemented, what would happen to numbers of rape. They would definitely decrease.

I agree rape is a big problem. Always has been, especially in Muslim-dominated countries.

But let see what others think about the situation....

ex-Muslim said:
"Yes women are raped and abused also in the West, but this number is at least 100 times more in Islamic countries. When a woman is raped in the West the rapist will be prosecuted severely. In Islamic countries women who are raped become a shame to their families and often are murdered by their own relatives to restore the honor of the family. In Islamic countries, women are also raped by their own close relatives like their brothers and fathers. But they are afraid to speak about it because they know this would mean death for them.

"In the West, some men abuse their wives. But the law is on the side of the battered women and there are shelters and protections for them as well as restrictions and punishment for the abusive husband. In Islamic countries, women have no right whatsoever.

"They can be beaten by their husbands and they cannot even seek divorce. The husband can re-marry to a younger woman and abandon his older wife abusing her emotionally, sexually (by avoiding to sleep with her as he has now a younger woman), verbally and even physically. These are all Allah given rights of men (Q.4:34)

http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq/44.htm

:o :o
 
To drink or not to drink... that is the question

Qasim said:
Muhammad's Followers Do not Drink Alcohol (There are 11 million Alcoholics in america, and 44 Million Heavy Drinkers - im asking if the islamic law was implemented regarding alcohol, of total abstinance would this number increase, stay the same or decrease)
It will probably fail as well. Prohibition has been tried in many countries, but has never been successful. We shouldn't be surprised that prohibition for those under the age of 21 in the US doesn't work either.

Prohibition Fails in Iran

"Islamic law and tradition strictly forbid the consumption of alcohol. Religiously-based prohibition is the law of the land in the Islamic Republic of Iran. But the country's severe zero tolerance policy hasn't stopped drinking.

"Many in the Islamic Republic drink alcohol beverages regularly. Bootlegging is widespread and police report that alcohol production plants have even been built close to Iran's borders to supply the demand for alcohol. Says one Iranian, "I can choose through the list my alcohol dealer gives to me, then I call him and he delivers my order in less than 45 minutes."

"Some consumers, wary of the contents of black market products, stick to original brands, which also confers prestige in the eyes of their fellow drinkers. And may take pride in their "home brew," inventively made from a variety of agricultural products.

"In spite of the danger posed by frequent police raids, Iranians continue to consume alcohol beverages. Prohibition fails, although it is strongly supported by both religion and tradition.

"Prohibition has been tried in many countries, but has never been successful. We shouldn't be surprised that prohibition for those under the age of 21 in the US doesn't work either.

Reference: Hafezi, P. Alcohol Causes Clerical Alarm in Islamic State. Washington Times, August 7, 2002, A12.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/In ... 65620.html

Does that answer your question?

P.S. Some of my best friends enjoy a drink! If Muhammad was right, you too may enjoy a drink in paradise.... where there are rivers and fountains of wine (and 72 virgins each!)
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total population: 0.98 male(s)/female (2004 est.) Uk

total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2004 est.) USA

Plus: In 1890 there were 107 males for every 100 females in the 20- to 44-year-old group, but in 2002 the ratio had dropped to 98 per 100. (98 males per hundred females)

http://www.sciamdigital.com/browse.cfm? ... CHAR=itemP
There are many more countries that have more women then men, but i was talking especially about the Uk and U.S,where there is a definite problem of more women then men. plus in america, i have been told that 25 million men are gay, and this adds to the prooblem, of surplus women. What are your solutions?
 
Male/female ratios at a "marrying" age

I don't think you read my post too well. I will try again.

Firstly, your male/female ratios are wrong. Here are the figures for every country in the world...
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... /2018.html

Notice the ratios.
  • USA 15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
    UK 15-64 years: 1.02 male(s)/female
So your argument has no basis at all. There are more males that females in the "marrying" age.

This means in particular that in the usual age when people consider marriage, i.e. in the range of about 18-40 years, there are more men in each age group than women!!!

The higher number of women is only AFTER the age of 50.

The following questions come to mind:
  • (1) Of those Muslims who practice polygamy, how many are marrying a women 50 years old or older to be their second wife or further wife? Or even their first wife?

    (2) Aren't in most polygamous marriages the additional wives YOUNG women, and as such taking away the women of suitable age from the young men who are looking for a partner?

    (3) This leads to the concluding question: Are not Muslim men who are marrying a young second wife making the already existing imbalance worse and are as such inconsiderate of the younger men since they are making it harder on them to find an appropriate wife?

Can you see that you have not solved the problem at all. In fact, your Islamic laws would ADD to the problem!

Lastly, you have not answered the another difficult question: IF the ratios are reversed (as they are in over 100 countries), would you allow a women to marry more than one husband. If not, why not? Do you have a double standard on the male/female ration issue?


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Qasim786 said:
plus in america, i have been told that 25 million men are gay, and this adds to the prooblem, of surplus women. What are your solutions?
Encourage lesbian relationships. :-D

Quath
 
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