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Hi Fish153 Just wanted to let you know that BB1956 is no longer a member here.
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Walter--- I would have to agree with this definition: "When we say "God is spirit," it means that God is divine, not limited by physical corporeality, life-giving, and incomprehensible1. Unlike humans, God does not have a physical body, which allows Him to be omnipresent and not limited by physical location2. This declaration emphasizes that God is immeasurable and indiscernible to eyes limited to physical things".
for_his_glory---- thanks---wasn't aware he wasn't here any more. Thanks for clarifying!
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We Agree,
Fish, To the above post, we understand this also, but why do you think Jesus said to Peter: flesh and blood have not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven,
Walter---- Jesus is telling Peter that he did not learn this from any man. This fact that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God (that Jesus is God) was revealed to Peter by the Father through the Holy Spirit. The person who realizes that Jesus is indeed God has been "taught of the Father". It is by divine revelation.
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? Sir, And what about, what The Angle Gabriel was saying to Mary? that she shall bring forth a Son, ........
GOD was in Christ, I think we should know what He has said about who He is according to rightly dividing the scriptures' by revelation, right?
Jesus has said everything about Himself that He needs to us, so He is The I AM/YHVH, also The Son Of The Living God.
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Walter--- I'm sorry but you are kind of confusing me. I'm not sure where you are coming from. Are you saying Jesus is not God? I'm not sure what the "?" was all about in your post, and your reference to Gabriel. I do believe that we realize Jesus is God through divine revelation. The Holy Spirit reveals the truth to us. That is why many can read the Word of God and only read the "dead letter" (like the JW's). God has to take the Word and enlighten us through his Holy Spirit. Or do you disagree?
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Fish, Not as much as what you are saying, because you and I have different views, I'm saying He is GOD and The Son Of The Living God.
Walter--- Just to clarify then: I believe that Jesus has ALWAYS been the Son of God from all eternity. I believe man is created in GOD'S image (FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT). In our human way of thinking a "son" has to have been born at some time. But if Jesus has ALWAYS been the SON then WE are patterned after Him. We need to see things in reverse: the SON has always existed. There has always been a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is not patterned after us---we are patterned after him. We were created in His image. I'm not sure what you believe---but I do believe Jesus is God---God the SON.
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Fish, We understand what you are saying, is Genesis 1:26-27 KJV what you are referring to? Thank you.
What is the Godhead?
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Genesis One:26 In this scripture, I believe, And God said, "Let us" is referring to: Elohim
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll take a look at each of these passages and what they mean.
In Acts 17, Paul is speaking on Mars Hill to the philosophers of Athens. As he argues against idolatry, Paul says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV). Here, the word Godhead is the translation of the Greek theion, a word used by the Greeks to denote “God” in general, with no reference to a particular deity. Paul, speaking to Greeks, used the term in reference to the only true God.
In Romans 1, Paul begins to make the case that all humanity stands guilty before God. In verse 20 he says, “The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (KJV). Here, Godhead is theiotés. Paul’s argument is that all of creation virtually shouts the existence of God; we can “clearly” see God’s eternal power, as well as His “Godhead” in what He has made. “The heavens declare the glory of God; / the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1). The natural world makes manifest the divine nature of God.
Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fulness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”
Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).
In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the one and only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).
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Walter---- Thank you for your explanation and post. God bless you!
"Before Abraham was, I am."
Jesus claimed to be the same being who spoke with Moses.
When Jesus spoke these words the Jewish leaders immediately picked up stones to kill him.. why? Because he claimed to be God.
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
John 1 Jesus is God, Jesus created everything, Jesus was there at the beginning He was with God and He was God.
One God, 3 entities not understood by men.
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I think a very misunderstood passage is this:
Philippians 2.
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Consider these words: "did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage." What this means to me is that Jesus, though he was Deity, did not exercise Deity by using human means to achieve that. He simply was Divine, and did not in any way diminish his Divine identity by acting as a man--not even as a man who lowered himself to the extreme.
Some feel that Paul here was declaring that Jesus was not God. But on the contrary, Paul was stating that even though he was God he did not try to achieve that by human means, indicating that no man can achieve it except it be true from the beginning.
The lesson is clear--do not try to be God. ;)
I don't know why BB1956 claims that Jesus did not claim to be Divine? As you said, he claimed to be the great "I Am," who preexisted Abraham.
It's just that he did not display the rights of men to pursue divinity, as Satan apparently did. He wore the Divine Identity via his DNA, but it was not in Satan's DNA, nor in any other man's DNA--only in Jesus' DNA.
Jesus' cause was to display the Way for men. Clearly, he did not show them that it is legitimate to attempt to obtain Divinity. He showed them that He was the Vine, and they, if they are his Disciples, are the branches.
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29 My Father, who has given to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch out of the hand of My Father; 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 Therefore, again, the Jews took up stones that they may stone Him;
John 10:29-31
The above will do for me.
John 10:29-31
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Some like to quote Jesus saying, "Truly I tell you," which stands in contrast to the Prophets who said, "Thus says the Lord." ;)
Paul said Jesus is the image of the invisible God and the head over the body. Hebrews indicates that he is greater than Moses, just as the builder of a house is greater than the house that is built.
Heb 3.3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself.
Some may wish to dance around these things, but they would have to either be an unbelievable dancer, or simply determined to be "different."
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