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[for_his_glory]

BB--- Jesus DOES say it is necessary that one believe He is God to be saved. "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM he, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24 KJV)

Note that in the KJV the "I AM he" has "he" in italics. The actual Greek has "I AM" at that place in the verse. Jesus is literally telling the Jews that if they don't believe he is "I AM" (GOD) they will die in their sins. This is in the same chapter where Jesus tells the Jews "Before Abraham was I AM" (John 8:58).

You have to realize that the Devil's goal is to either TAKE AWAY from the power of the cross, or to ADD TO what Jesus did on the cross. He "takes away" from the power of the cross by attempting to diminish the Person of the one who was on the cross. The Gospel teaches us that GOD HIMSELF came down to earth (The WORD was made flesh) to die on a cross for us. The Devil seeks to diminish that and state God SENT a created being to die on the cross. He wants to take glory away from God and what God has done for us! BB---you need to believe Jesus is God and accept what he did for you on the cross. Don't believe the lie that Jesus is not God, and that he was a created being.

Even the Jews realized Jesus was calling himself God. Look at the times the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus because "He being a man makes himself God". In Mark 2 Jesus forgives a man's sins and the Jews proclaim "only God can forgive sins". Yes---Jesus did not state "I am God"---but he didn't need to---it was obvious who He was.

Hi Fish153 Just wanted to let you know that BB1956 is no longer a member here.

 

[Fish153]

Hello Fish153, What is your understanding when Jesus said God Is A Spirit?

Love, Walter

Walter--- I would have to agree with this definition: "When we say "God is spirit," it means that God is divine, not limited by physical corporeality, life-giving, and incomprehensible1. Unlike humans, God does not have a physical body, which allows Him to be omnipresent and not limited by physical location2. This declaration emphasizes that God is immeasurable and indiscernible to eyes limited to physical things".

 

[Fish153]

Hi Fish153 Just wanted to let you know that BB1956 is no longer a member here.

for_his_glory---- thanks---wasn't aware he wasn't here any more. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Walter--- I would have to agree with this definition: "When we say "God is spirit," it means that God is divine, not limited by physical corporeality, life-giving, and incomprehensible1. Unlike humans, God does not have a physical body, which allows Him to be omnipresent and not limited by physical location2. This declaration emphasizes that God is immeasurable and indiscernible to eyes limited to physical things".

We Agree,

BB--- Jesus DOES say it is necessary that one believe He is God to be saved. "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM he, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24 KJV)

Note that in the KJV the "I AM he" has "he" in italics. The actual Greek has "I AM" at that place in the verse. Jesus is literally telling the Jews that if they don't believe he is "I AM" (GOD) they will die in their sins. This is in the same chapter where Jesus tells the Jews "Before Abraham was I AM" (John 8:58).

You have to realize that the Devil's goal is to either TAKE AWAY from the power of the cross, or to ADD TO what Jesus did on the cross. He "takes away" from the power of the cross by attempting to diminish the Person of the one who was on the cross. The Gospel teaches us that GOD HIMSELF came down to earth (The WORD was made flesh) to die on a cross for us. The Devil seeks to diminish that and state God SENT a created being to die on the cross. He wants to take glory away from God and what God has done for us! BB---you need to believe Jesus is God and accept what he did for you on the cross. Don't believe the lie that Jesus is not God, and that he was a created being.

Even the Jews realized Jesus was calling himself God. Look at the times the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus because "He being a man makes himself God". In Mark 2 Jesus forgives a man's sins and the Jews proclaim "only God can forgive sins". Yes---Jesus did not state "I am God"---but he didn't need to---it was obvious who He was.

Fish, To the above post, we understand this also, but why do you think Jesus said to Peter: flesh and blood have not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven,

 

[Fish153]

We Agree,

Fish, To the above post, we understand this also, but why do you think Jesus said to Peter: flesh and blood have not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven,

Walter---- Jesus is telling Peter that he did not learn this from any man. This fact that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God (that Jesus is God) was revealed to Peter by the Father through the Holy Spirit. The person who realizes that Jesus is indeed God has been "taught of the Father". It is by divine revelation.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

(that Jesus is God)

? Sir, And what about, what The Angle Gabriel was saying to Mary? that she shall bring forth a Son, ........

GOD was in Christ, I think we should know what He has said about who He is according to rightly dividing the scriptures' by revelation, right?

Jesus has said everything about Himself that He needs to us, so He is The I AM/YHVH, also The Son Of The Living God.

Where does it says in The Bible about The English I AM YHVH/scripture - Google Search

Love, Walter

 

[Fish153]

? Sir, And what about, what The Angle Gabriel was saying to Mary? that she shall bring forth a Son, ........

GOD was in Christ, I think we should know what He has said about who He is according to rightly dividing the scriptures' by revelation, right?

Jesus has said everything about Himself that He needs to us, so He is The I AM/YHVH, also The Son Of The Living God.

Where does it says in The Bible about The English I AM YHVH/scripture - Google Search

Love, Walter

Walter--- I'm sorry but you are kind of confusing me. I'm not sure where you are coming from. Are you saying Jesus is not God? I'm not sure what the "?" was all about in your post, and your reference to Gabriel. I do believe that we realize Jesus is God through divine revelation. The Holy Spirit reveals the truth to us. That is why many can read the Word of God and only read the "dead letter" (like the JW's). God has to take the Word and enlighten us through his Holy Spirit. Or do you disagree?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Walter--- I'm sorry but you are kind of confusing me. I'm not sure where you are coming from. Are you saying Jesus is not God? I'm not sure what the "?" was all about in your post, and your reference to Gabriel. I do believe that we realize Jesus is God through divine revelation. The Holy Spirit reveals the truth to us. That is why many can read the Word of God and only read the "dead letter" (like the JW's). God has to take the Word and enlighten us through his Holy Spirit. Or do you disagree?

Fish, Not as much as what you are saying, because you and I have different views, I'm saying He is GOD and The Son Of The Living God.

 

[Fish153]

Fish, Not as much as what you are saying, because you and I have different views, I'm saying He is GOD and The Son Of The Living God.

Walter--- Just to clarify then: I believe that Jesus has ALWAYS been the Son of God from all eternity. I believe man is created in GOD'S image (FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT). In our human way of thinking a "son" has to have been born at some time. But if Jesus has ALWAYS been the SON then WE are patterned after Him. We need to see things in reverse: the SON has always existed. There has always been a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is not patterned after us---we are patterned after him. We were created in His image. I'm not sure what you believe---but I do believe Jesus is God---God the SON.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Walter--- Just to clarify then: I believe that Jesus has ALWAYS been the Son of God from all eternity. I believe man is created in GOD'S image (FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT). In our human way of thinking a "son" has to have been born at some time. But if Jesus has ALWAYS been the SON then WE are patterned after Him. We need to see things in reverse: the SON has always existed. There has always been a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is not patterned after us---we are patterned after him. We were created in His image. I'm not sure what you believe---but I do believe Jesus is God---God the SON.

Fish, We understand what you are saying, is Genesis 1:26-27 KJV what you are referring to? Thank you.

What is the Godhead?
Sunday 10-9-22 1st. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tishri 12 5783 18th. Fall Day

Genesis One:26 In this scripture, I believe, And God said, "Let us" is referring to: Elohim

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll take a look at each of these passages and what they mean.

In Acts 17, Paul is speaking on Mars Hill to the philosophers of Athens. As he argues against idolatry, Paul says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV). Here, the word Godhead is the translation of the Greek theion, a word used by the Greeks to denote “God” in general, with no reference to a particular deity. Paul, speaking to Greeks, used the term in reference to the only true God.

In Romans 1, Paul begins to make the case that all humanity stands guilty before God. In verse 20 he says, “The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (KJV). Here, Godhead is theiotés. Paul’s argument is that all of creation virtually shouts the existence of God; we can “clearly” see God’s eternal power, as well as His “Godhead” in what He has made. “The heavens declare the glory of God; / the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1). The natural world makes manifest the divine nature of God.

Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fulness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”

Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).

In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the one and only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[Fish153]

Fish, We understand what you are saying, is Genesis 1:26-27 KJV what you are referring to? Thank you.

What is the Godhead?
Sunday 10-9-22 1st. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tishri 12 5783 18th. Fall Day

Genesis One:26 In this scripture, I believe, And God said, "Let us" is referring to: Elohim

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll take a look at each of these passages and what they mean.

In Acts 17, Paul is speaking on Mars Hill to the philosophers of Athens. As he argues against idolatry, Paul says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV). Here, the word Godhead is the translation of the Greek theion, a word used by the Greeks to denote “God” in general, with no reference to a particular deity. Paul, speaking to Greeks, used the term in reference to the only true God.

In Romans 1, Paul begins to make the case that all humanity stands guilty before God. In verse 20 he says, “The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (KJV). Here, Godhead is theiotés. Paul’s argument is that all of creation virtually shouts the existence of God; we can “clearly” see God’s eternal power, as well as His “Godhead” in what He has made. “The heavens declare the glory of God; / the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1). The natural world makes manifest the divine nature of God.

Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fulness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”

Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).

In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the one and only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).

Love, Walter And Debbie

Walter---- Thank you for your explanation and post. God bless you!