Jesus's Brothers & Sisters

[smaller]

Jesus the man while in the flesh on the Earth, had a human father, and a human mother, why would it be surprising that he would have human brothers and sisters. Besides that, Scriptures teaches that He did.
Now granted some religions put Mary on a Pedestal, even though they deny tooth and nail that they do this, but they think and believe Mary to be pure, that is to say having no children at all, they even claim she did not have sex with her own husband, she was so pure. Virgin even at her death. What shocks me though, is that these same people don't believe she somehow escaped death and became an Angel and because she was so pure and holy, that not even death could touch her. WAIT, i better be careful, i might have just started another false belief unawares.

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Might as well add they believe that Jesus sprung from Mary's side. Yeah, it's buried into their system when you dig far enough to find out. Funny how they determined Jesus was fully man, fully human and then deny a normal birth. And Jesus died a human death, in the flesh. Yet somehow His mother avoided that as well.

smh

 

[smaller]

Jesus is also called Son of Man, so that is what Mary contributed. He did come in fallen flesh and that is the whole point of him coming in the first place....to redeem us. That is Christianity 101

Edit: no one is worshipping Mary here.

Let's not forget the crucial difference of His flesh birth, that being without sin. Jesus condemned sin in sinful flesh and came in the 'likeness' of sinful flesh with that crucial difference. He couldn't very well condemn His own flesh. That would be pretty lame.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Jesus had 2 sisters but they are not talked about.

How do you know that?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Jesus the man while in the flesh on the Earth, had a human father, and a human mother, why would it be surprising that he would have human brothers and sisters. Besides that, Scriptures teaches that He did.
Now granted some religions put Mary on a Pedestal, even though they deny tooth and nail that they do this, but they think and believe Mary to be pure, that is to say having no children at all, they even claim she did not have sex with her own husband, she was so pure. Virgin even at her death. What shocks me though, is that these same people don't believe she somehow escaped death and became an Angel and because she was so pure and holy, that not even death could touch her. WAIT, i better be careful, i might have just started another false belief unawares.

^i^

LOL! I'm pretty sure you covered yourself.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I think I am seriously done with this website. When I say he came in fallen flesh ( I don't mean his flesh is sinful, but our flesh makes us sin) People just want to argue.. Goodbye

 

[Deborah13]

I think I am seriously done with this website. When I say he came in fallen flesh ( I don't mean his flesh is sinful, but our flesh makes us sin) People just want to argue.. Goodbye

I knew what you meant and almost defended you then thought you could probably defended your own words quite nicely. Which you did. :wink

 

[smaller]

I knew what you meant and almost defended you then thought you could probably defended your own words quite nicely. Which you did. :wink

I think I am seriously done with this website. When I say he came in fallen flesh ( I don't mean his flesh is sinful, but our flesh makes us sin) People just want to argue.. Goodbye

Merely pointed out that JESUS did not have 'fallen flesh.' That 'seemed' to be your statement:

"He did come in fallen flesh"

Uh, no. That didn't happen.

 

[jasonc]

Sorry Jason, I don't understand. The verse I quote is talking about both firstborn people and animals alike.

yes but that is a messianic verse.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Merely pointed out that JESUS did not have 'fallen flesh.' That 'seemed' to be your statement:

"He did come in fallen flesh"

Uh, no. That didn't happen.

I saw right away the same meaning and if we that are grounded in the Word saw that folks less grounded can take that and run with it, being fed along that path by the minions of Satan. I'm sorry to see LtD go but our words do matter and if unguarded will grow an unhealthy theology. If we ever grow into a people, afraid to correct one another we will never follow God.

 

[smaller]

I saw right away the same meaning and if we that are grounded in the Word saw that folks less grounded can take that and run with it, being fed along that path by the minions of Satan. I'm sorry to see LtD go but our words do matter and if unguarded will grow an unhealthy theology. If we ever grow into a people, afraid to correct one another we will never follow God.

I could have made a much harsher comment as well. There is a notion that continually runs 'in the churches' today, just as it has run prior, that the FLESH is EVIL. The poster in question also touched on that ground saying it was the FLESH that causes people to sin. Uh, no, that is not the case either, and comes very close to the Gnostic problem of 'evil material matter.' The flesh in and of itself can NOT be EVIL unless we want to say Jesus' flesh was also evil. Get the drift? The flesh is subject to 'lust' and 'covetousness.' And those have a demonic impetus. In other words it's an imposed internal temptation and an internal violation/imposition ON the flesh that the flesh is subject to.


The comment was not made maliciously or with ill intentions whatsoever. I've been corrected MANY times by believers who know better and took the time to share their understandings with me when I first believed. It was VERY helpful for me, but to take such information with offense is not beneficial to anyone. If I didn't question what I believed I too would still be 'venerating' Mary. Thankfully I wasn't hoodwinked into that or numerous other forms of false demonstrations of piety.

There are internal convictions that come into play as well. When people 'feel' things that are against their own internal conscience, they 'shouldn't' go against it. Paul makes adequate notice that if a believer thinks somethings in their own conscience is a sin, then to THEM it is, and we should respect that measure.

 

[LovethroughDove]

1 John 4:2-3 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

I don't know, this just could be me.....but it looks like the flesh is the MOST important factor in our salvation. Could it be the root of our problem?

John 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit

I can't leave with people not understanding basic salvation. With Jesus himself, you NEED to know what he is made up of. The spirit of the antichrist will have Jesus as this untouchable deity and he is not. He is the Son of God, but he is a Son of Man.

 

[smaller]

John 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit

I can't leave with people not understanding basic salvation. With Jesus himself, you NEED to know what he is made up of. The spirit of the antichrist will have Jesus as this untouchable deity and he is not. He is the Son of God, but he is a Son of Man.

Jesus was The Perfect Sacrifice, untouched in mind and body by SIN. There are scores of believers who think in their minds that Jesus had internal temptations 'like us' or 'evil thoughts' to contend with, again, 'like us.'

That was never the case.

I am sensitized to this particular issue currently because one of my daughters is involved with an 'emergent' church/Acts 29 associated group that is teaching the Gnostic heresy of 'evil flesh.' It's one of many continuing today but old heresies that the early churches addressed in great detail and examinations. But these things always tend to resurface again and again from essentially poor teachings and understandings.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Jesus was The Perfect Sacrifice, untouched in mind and body by SIN. There are scores of believers who think in their minds that Jesus had internal temptations 'like us' or 'evil thoughts' to contend with, again, 'like us.'

That was never the case.

Hebrews 2:18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are - yet was without sin.

People need to understand who is our Christ. It relates to this thread and genetics.

 

[TOG]

Jesus was The Perfect Sacrifice, untouched in mind and body by SIN. There are scores of believers who think in their minds that Jesus had internal temptations 'like us' or 'evil thoughts' to contend with, again, 'like us.'

That was never the case.

I'm not sure what you mean by "internal" temptations, but the Bible says Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are (Heb. 4:15)

The TOG​

 

[smaller]

I'm not sure what you mean by "internal" temptations, but the Bible says Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are (Heb. 4:15)

The TOG​

With the extremely critical distinction of being 'without SIN.'

It is important to consider that Jesus, The Perfect Sacrifice was untainted internally in the forms of EVIL thoughts, which is the essence of temptation. His temptation was 'external in nature' through the form of an entity that was NOT HIM, but was of Satan, that had NOTHING 'in Him.' That is a critical distinction.

If Jesus, in mind and body had EVIL in any form, that sacrifice was tainted by sin.

Jesus said that evil thoughts are both evil and defiling. The Sacrificed Body was UNDEFILED in this way.

If we step onto the ground that Jesus had evil thoughts, then we also have cause to suspect Him in other ways as well.

 

[smaller]

Hebrews 2:18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are - yet was without sin.

People need to understand who is our Christ. It relates to this thread and genetics.

Let's just cut to the chase with you on this subject then. Did Jesus, The Mind of God, have evil thoughts?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Solid theology, Smaller. I praise God for the Deacons, Preachers and Lay Teachers He has placed in my life to teach me and I pray I never become unteachable.

I have been known to fail and when that happens these men always correct me and I praise God for them and my need is, always, to check their instruction against the Bible and when they are correct, most of the time they are, to be submissive and if I think them wrong to go to them with my case built on scripture, the same way they come to me.

When I was first saved, a young man out of Mississippi, Bro. Richard Clarke, taught me to always be approachable because at such moments one of us and often both of us will be taught.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hebrews 2:18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are - yet was without sin.

People need to understand who is our Christ. It relates to this thread and genetics.

The bolded in red says it all and that is where I came from, not to rag on you but to teach.

 

[smaller]

Solid theology, Smaller. I praise God for the Deacons, Preachers and Lay Teachers He has placed in my life to teach me and I pray I never become unteachable.

I have been known to fail and when that happens these men always correct me and I praise God for them and my need is, always, to check their instruction against the Bible and when they are correct, most of the time they are, to be submissive and if I think them wrong to go to them with my case built on scripture, the same way they come to me.

When I was first saved, a young man out of Mississippi, Bro. Richard Clarke, taught me to always be approachable because at such moments one of us and often both of us will be taught.

I have had to deal with my own internal resistance to good teaching. Had I stumbled in offense I would have learned nothing. I learned to listen more to the believers I disagreed with to find understandings, and not take offense. There are zero of us who came into faith with total understanding. We continually press for a Perfect Reflection, and none of us currently have that. If I want to press on into Perfection, which I do, then I submit to the fact that I'm not Perfect by any stretch, but we all have A Perfect Example to reflect upon, The Image of our faith, Jesus Christ, The Perfect Lamb of God.

If I see The Lamb as defiled, I have been soiled by my own imperfect sights.

 

[th1b.taylor]

With the extremely critical distinction of being 'without SIN.'

It is important to consider that Jesus, The Perfect Sacrifice was untainted internally in the forms of EVIL thoughts, which is the essence of temptation. His temptation was 'external in nature' through the form of an entity that was NOT HIM, but was of Satan, that had NOTHING 'in Him.' That is a critical distinction.

If Jesus, in mind and body had EVIL in any form, that sacrifice was tainted by sin.

Jesus said that evil thoughts are both evil and defiling. The Sacrificed Body was UNDEFILED in this way.

If we step onto the ground that Jesus had evil thoughts, then we also have cause to suspect Him in other ways as well.

Amen!