Jesus's Brothers & Sisters

[4afaithfulone]

And I still stand by what I said earlier, God does nothing half way. Yes, Jesus had brothers and sisters that were of Joseph, the Earthly Dad of Jesus though not His Birth Father. God did not do this to divide this family and neither should we. Jesus viewed this relationship in a manor that is revolutionary us. When Mary and His Birth Brothers came to find Him, Jesus declared the people, there, with Him to be His family.

There is a lesson there we must learn if we are to follow God. Twice over we are, every single one of us, brothers and sisters. We are all taught we are the Birth Produts of Adam and Eve but out commonality is, like, a couple of thousand years tighter than that. Out of the Ark came one mother, one father, Noah, three sons and their wives, we are all the products of Noah. And yes, we are, every one of us married to our brothers or sisters, removed several times but, none the less, every white, black, red, yellow or brown person in this world, we are, full brothers and sisters. We must learn to stop looking at relationships in the way of the World. This errant view does, indeed, feed the Catholic view of Mary, the Eternal Virgin.

She was not an eternal virgin, but had relations with Joseph her husband after Jesus was born and bore Jesus half brothers and sisters
I also have to disagree with you on us all being brothers and sisters in this world.
True we may have began that way, but we have fallen. It is the bloodline that Christian's are brother's and sister's by God's Spirit, but there are mostly children of the devil having unclean spirits wouldn't you say?
Well the Bible says so.
John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
KJV
We may have flesh and blood relatives, but flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. Nor are they the children of God. One Mediator, One God, One Spirit. Our spirit Resides in our blood, that is why the Spirit is called the Spirit of life,Breath of life and why God says that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Even Abel's blood cried out. If God only meant that our bloodloss would kill us, then how is it that a man can die in his sleep without shedding a drop? The life(spirit) is in the blood.
It has always been taught that Abraham lied about Sara being His sister which has brought much error of scripture being taught making it look as if God condones lies. But he did not lie for all God's children are brothers and sisters, just as all of the devil's children are brother's and sisters. He just didn't mention her being his wife, for at least 4 reasons.
1. Is because he knew the heart of ungodly man, that they would commit murder to gain for themselves and be held accountable for the murder.
2. Sarah would not have Abraham for her husband whom the promised Seed would come through Isaac.
3. Abraham would have sinned against God by putting a stumbling block before the king by causing him to have to murder Abraham so that Sarah's husband was dead making him free to take her as wife.
4. It was a setup by God, who knows the hearts of man.The fact that Abraham was willing to sacrifice himself for all's sake including himself, due to sinful man's lust(so no murder occurred). God rewarded Abraham with the kings wealth and riches for acting righteously because God honors righteousness giving the wicked's wealth to His own.
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
KJV
(Speaking of how the king would have killed Abraham to be able to legally marry Sarah for her husband would be dead)It is funny how one can be aware of a sinful thing, knowing that if found out could cause them torment, so they hide their evil deeds, yet completely oblivious(unbelief) to the fact that God sees their every action! Nothing escapes Him!

 

[reba]

lets just be reasonable and sensible - would anyone visited by an angel of God and knew what Joseph knew be warped enough to defile "the womb that bore thee and the paps that gave thee suck"- btw did Mary lie and why "thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing" - it also seems His younger brothers and sisters had not been told - twinc

Sex in marriage is not defilement .

 

[LovethroughDove]

And I still stand by what I said earlier, God does nothing half way. Yes, Jesus had brothers and sisters that were of Joseph, the Earthly Dad of Jesus though not His Birth Father. God did not do this to divide this family and neither should we.

When we mention 1/2 brother or sister. It is genetics. There are 1/2 brothers and sisters today (GENETICALLY)

I think you are walking a slippery slope when you deny the Mary side of Jesus. I am 100% convinced her ovum was used and scripture points to him being Son of Man also

 

[Deborah13]

It is a proven fact that none of the mothers blood enters the child, for the child's blood forms inside the man's seed.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_MR_DeHaan/Chemistry/04.htm

Oh Boy, never mind.
Let me just point out that even as DeHann said, "a child makes their OWN blood"
Please notice he separated his opinion that the sperm must have blood in it, from the actual scientific fact, that a child makes their own blood.
If the father is the one who is the blood donor then how could a child have a different blood type than their father? They can have their mother's or for that matter a different blood type than either parent?

 

[4afaithfulone]

Oh Boy, never mind.
Let me just point out that even as DeHann said, "a child makes their OWN blood"
Please notice he separated his opinion that the sperm must have blood in it, from the actual scientific fact, that a child makes their own blood.
If the father is the one who is the blood donor then how could a child have a different blood type than their father? They can have their mother's or for that matter a different blood type than either parent?

Forgive me if I incorrectly typed something~
The seed of the father of a child produces the bloodline of a child, no blood of the mothers goes into the child, it is the SEED of the male that gives one their bloodline. Another man's seed is a totally different bloodline. I am sure that you see how important God has made the male seed among men and animals so that the male keeps his line pure? They will even kill another males offspring to impregnate the female with their seed. Even God has children by His Seed, for Jesus is the Seed of God. An apple seed can not produce carrots and vice versa each seed produces after it's own kind.
1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
KJV
The Word of God is the Seed of God and we know the Seed as Jesus!
Blessings

 

[jasonc]

Oh Boy, never mind.
Let me just point out that even as DeHann said, "a child makes their OWN blood"
Please notice he separated his opinion that the sperm must have blood in it, from the actual scientific fact, that a child makes their own blood.
If the father is the one who is the blood donor then how could a child have a different blood type than their father? They can have their mother's or for that matter a different blood type than either parent?

I have a positive blood, my siblings don't. my brother is o negative. sister bridget is ab postive and renee is o.

 

[reba]

YUP Jason... I am O- HD is B+ our son is B-

 

[jasonc]

YUP Jason... I am O- HD is B+ our son is B-

back in the days when rh factor was really bad for this , my mom gave birth to us and had to take pills to suppress her immune system.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Sex in marriage is not defilement .

Amen, as good as it can be, it is a holy duty and does not defile but rather insures completion.

 

[reba]

They left our second childs belly button unclamped for 24 hours .. they said it was so if necessary they could transfuse her via the belly button

 

[jasonc]

They left our second childs belly button unclamped for 24 hours .. they said it was so if necessary they could transfuse her via the belly button

I will have to ask my mom for the details of this stuff.

 

[reba]

jason we went off topic

 

[jasonc]

jason we went off topic

rh factor and blood line from the male seed isn't all that unrelated. it shows that the idea of male sperm determining blood isn't the case.

 

[th1b.taylor]

She was not an eternal virgin, but had relations with Joseph her husband after Jesus was born and bore Jesus half brothers and sisters
I also have to disagree with you on us all being brothers and sisters in this world.

You have the God given right to disagree until the cows come home but disagreement will never change the truth. And as much as it pained me to realize the animals that ruled North Vietnam were my brothers, I had to come to deal with that truth to follow my LORD. There is no other way, please, search the scriptures.

 

[jasonc]

You have the God given right to disagree until the cows come home but disagreement will never change the truth. And as much as it pained me to realize the animals that ruled North Vietnam were my brothers, I had to come to deal with that truth to follow my LORD. There is no other way, please, search the scriptures.

since my brother has adopted his oldest child. she doesn't refer to her sister and brother as half siblings. that I think it was bill is saying.

besides jude and james say not half-brother but brother of our Lord jesus Christ, if I remember correctly

 

[th1b.taylor]

When we mention 1/2 brother or sister. It is genetics. There are 1/2 brothers and sisters today (GENETICALLY)

I think you are walking a slippery slope when you deny the Mary side of Jesus. I am 100% convinced her ovum was used and scripture points to him being Son of Man also

Please, every time you put your ideas down of what you wish me to have said you become agitated because I am not going to accept that. I have not began to deny the man side of Jesus. There is always truth that Jesus is fully man and fully God and when you word it as "the Mary side" you are walking on such a thin sheet of ice. This is how great heresies begin. Please try to understand that there is context to anyone's statements, even mine.

 

[4afaithfulone]

I have a positive blood, my siblings don't. my brother is o negative. sister bridget is ab postive and renee is o.

You are talking blood type of which there are only several to have, I am talking lineage as in bloodline pedigree. The bloodline does not come from the mother, none of her blood ever enters the child according to science. It comes from the seed of the male only.
Main Entry:blood*line
Pronunciation:-*l*n
Function:noun
: a sequence of direct ancestors especially in a pedigree

Cain and Abel were of the same parents yet they were not of the same spirit. As was Esau and Jacob, yet Esau and Cain represents those led of their flesh, and Abel and Jacob sought God! The only two types of people in the earth, God's or the devils!
As I said earlier, the Bible says that the life of the flesh is in the blood. This can not mean that a man can only loose his life if he loses his blood, because a man can die in his sleep without ever losing a drop of his blood. It means that the SPIRIT of a man which is the life, is in the blood as in resides in our sacred blood.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
KJV
That is why Abel's blood cried out, that is why when we are born again, it is by the Spirit of LIFE that indwells us now making us of God's family. That is why blood sacrifices of animals were made for atonement, that is why we are not to exchange blood, nor eat blood, and blood is to be buried as God had the earth to open up to cover his blood.
Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
KJV

 

[th1b.taylor]

since my brother has adopted his oldest child. she doesn't refer to her sister and brother as half siblings. that I think it was bill is saying.

besides jude and james say not half-brother but brother of our Lord jesus Christ, if I remember correctly

That and I, like our Father, do not live in this world. The Kingdom god is here ever since Jesus arrived and brought it and people, seriously, need to stop living like lost men. The Kingdom is Spiritual and we must strive to be also. Not hard to understand but we will never see our king except we stop striving and believe.

 

[jasonc]

You are talking blood type of which there are only several to have, I am talking lineage as in bloodline pedigree. The bloodline does not come from the mother, none of her blood ever enters the child according to science. It comes from the seed of the male only.
Main Entry:blood*line
Pronunciation:-*l*n
Function:noun
: a sequence of direct ancestors especially in a pedigree

Cain and Abel were of the same parents yet they were not of the same spirit. As was Esau and Jacob, yet Esau and Cain represents those led of their flesh, and Abel and Jacob sought God! The only two types of people in the earth, God's or the devils!
As I said earlier, the Bible says that the life of the flesh is in the blood. This can not mean that a man can only loose his life if he loses his blood, because a man can die in his sleep without ever losing a drop of his blood. It means that the SPIRIT of a man which is the life, is in the blood as in resides in our sacred blood.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
KJV
That is why Abel's blood cried out, that is why when we are born again, it is by the Spirit of LIFE that indwells us now making us of God's family. That is why blood sacrifices of animals were made for atonement, that is why we are not to exchange blood, nor eat blood, and blood is to be buried as God had the earth to open up to cover his blood.
Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
KJV

uhm I am a jewish believer. to the orthodox since MY mother isn't a jew I am not a jew. you would say its not . problem. if what you say is true, then jesus dad would whom would be? god or joseph gave him blood? since legal the throne via joseph was cursed he couldn't be the dad biologically to the moshiac, mary wasn't cursed but also of Judah. therefore the nature of the jewish blood line is kept, the line of him being a jew cant be kept by joseph since had no lineage that way by physical creation. the way joseph by proxy is his dad on the earth , jesus is in line for throne since inheritance is determined not by the mother but the father.

 

[jasonc]

none of her blood? uhm yeah about that. since my mom has the rh factor. her immune system attacked me and my siblings in utero. so how can it be that the children don't share blood? we do share and the immunity of a baby isn't until a few months after birth as they must build up theres while the remnants of moms phages fight off the bugs.