Jesus's Brothers & Sisters

[th1b.taylor]

I have had to deal with my own internal resistance to good teaching. Had I stumbled in offense I would have learned nothing. I learned to listen more to the believers I disagreed with to find understandings, and not take offense. There are zero of us who came into faith with total understanding. We continually press for a Perfect Reflection, and none of us currently have that. If I want to press on into Perfection, which I do, then I submit to the fact that I'm not Perfect by any stretch, but we all have A Perfect Example to reflect upon, The Image of our faith, Jesus Christ, The Perfect Lamb of God.

If I see The Lamb as defiled, I have been soiled by my own imperfect sights.

Amen!

 

[twinc]

Amen!

lets just be reasonable and sensible - would anyone visited by an angel of God and knew what Joseph knew be warped enough to defile "the womb that bore thee and the paps that gave thee suck"- btw did Mary lie and why "thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing" - it also seems His younger brothers and sisters had not been told - twinc

 

[th1b.taylor]

lets just be reasonable and sensible - would anyone visited by an angel of God and knew what Joseph knew be warped enough to defile "the womb that bore thee and the paps that gave thee suck"- btw did Mary lie and why "thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing" - it also seems His younger brothers and sisters had not been told - twinc

You quote and then post a response that can be pushed anywhere, would you elaborate on where you are driving this?

 

[twinc]

lets just be reasonable and sensible - would anyone visited by an angel of God and knew what Joseph knew be warped enough to defile "the womb that bore thee and the paps that gave thee suck"- btw did Mary lie and why "thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing" - it also seems His younger brothers and sisters had not been told - twinc

btw why did Jesus' next of kin take His body away for burial and not His brothers and sisters and why did they not look after their mother Mary - twinc

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Some people have a serious problem with Jesus.
They just don't want to accept who he is and what power he has.
They search deep and hard for reasons not to believe.
They try to bring down the reasoning and faith that believers have, hoping it will somehow make what they feel to be right.

In the end, they will cry in despair, lost with no hope, and destined for a place of separation from God.
Jesus' brothers and sisters had this same choice to make.
How about you?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Some people have a serious problem with Jesus.
They just don't want to accept who he is and what power he has.
They search deep and hard for reasons not to believe.
They try to bring down the reasoning and faith that believers have, hoping it will somehow make what they feel to be right.

In the end, they will cry in despair, lost with no hope, and destined for a place of separation from God.
Jesus' brothers and sisters had this same choice to make.
How about you?

Good, logical post, brother.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Let's just cut to the chase with you on this subject then. Did Jesus, The Mind of God, have evil thoughts?

He was tempted in every way as we are, but did not sin. This is why he had to come in the flesh and that is why he is the Christ. The anti-Christ spirit will not acknowledge the Son of Man part of him. (the flesh part) The anti-Christ will bypass what Jesus accomplished "in" his flesh.

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive the full rights of sons.

Still, this does have to do with this thread, because is Jesus the Son of Man also.......yes.

And being the literal Son of God is the biggest miracle ever.

 

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He was tempted in every way as we are, but did not sin. This is why he had to come in the flesh and that is why he is the Christ. The anti-Christ spirit will not acknowledge the Son of Man part of him. (the flesh part) The anti-Christ will bypass what Jesus accomplished "in" his flesh.

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive the full rights of sons.

Still, this does have to do with this thread, because is Jesus the Son of Man also.......yes.

And being the literal Son of God is the biggest miracle ever.

Just to let you know, I did not address anything you said out of malice or ill intentions directed toward you. Having encountered more than my fair share of lying believers who claim that Jesus had internal evil thoughts like we do I tend to bear down on such by nature. That particular spirit is exceptionally deceptive. I also understand that spirit is not them who bear such claims.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Did Jesus have brothers and sisters (siblings)?

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-siblings.html

Yes, the Bible tells us that while Mary was with child(Jesus) Joseph was not to touch her in the sensual way until Jesus was birthed. So she did not remain a virgin as some have believed in error. There is such a thing as "fraternal twins" in which two different pregnancy's can happen in the same pregnancy by two different acts no matter if it is the same father or not. So this is why it was important for Joseph to not know(sexual sense) Mary until Jesus was born.
Matt 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
KJV
Blessings

Wanted to edit to be clear that Joseph was not the natural father of Jesus so his siblings were 1/2 brothers and sisters by Mary, for we know that God the Father was Jesus' Father. Our bloodline comes from the seed of a child's father, not the mother.

 

[Deborah13]

Yes, the Bible tells us that while Mary was with child(Jesus) Joseph was not to touch her in the sensual way until Jesus was birthed. So she did not remain a virgin as some have believed in error. There is such a thing as "fraternal twins" in which two different pregnancy's can happen in the same pregnancy by two different acts no matter if it is the same father or not. So this is why it was important for Joseph to not know(sexual sense) Mary until Jesus was born.
Matt 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
KJV
Blessings

Wanted to edit to be clear that Joseph was not the natural father of Jesus so his siblings were 1/2 brothers and sisters by Mary, for we know that God the Father was Jesus' Father. Our bloodline comes from the seed of a child's father, not the mother.

The virgin birth was a fulfillment of prophecy. That is why Joseph could not know her before Jesus was born.
Why was it a virgin birth?
I tend to think that somehow it would have defiled her or somehow made the birth impure. I don't know for sure, can't put my finger on it but just that there is something there that's not obvious to me.

 

[Deborah13]

Just to let you know, I did not address anything you said out of malice or ill intentions directed toward you. Having encountered more than my fair share of lying believers who claim that Jesus had internal evil thoughts like we do I tend to bear down on such by nature. That particular spirit is exceptionally deceptive. I also understand that spirit is not them who bear such claims.

Do you always succumb to evil thoughts when satan tempts you? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[4afaithfulone]

The virgin birth was a fulfillment of prophecy. That is why Joseph could not know her before Jesus was born.
Why was it a virgin birth?
I tend to think that somehow it would have defiled her or somehow made the birth impure. I don't know for sure, can't put my finger on it but just that there is something there that's not obvious to me.

It had to be a virgin birth, because it was going to be the birth of the only begotten Son of God conceived by the Holy Spirit, and as you said, for her to have already known a man(sexually) it would defile her. On the other hand, if she had not already be espoused(yet not consumed) to a man to be married, she would have been condemned as a fornicator by others and stoned to death. So Joseph was obedient to God to cover up Mary's pregnancy pretending as the father of Jesus just to keep Jesus' divinity a secret and so he would not suffer possible death before he finished the work the Father sent His Son to do.

Fornication(sex outside of a marriage partner) is accepted in these days as ok, but in God's kingdom, it is a Sin! In the OT, men were allowed more than 1 wife, yet a woman can not have more than 1 husband. This is because it is the seed of the man that dictates the bloodline of a child, not the mother. The child takes on some of the fleshly likenesses of the mother, but not the bloodline of her. Proven fact.
Bloodlines handed down through a child's father is very important. Even among the animals you see the male seeking to dominate to plant his seed into females to keep his bloodline strong. So it was very important that Jesus had none of fallen man's blood in him.

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

 

[Deborah13]

This is because it is the seed of the man that dictates the bloodline of a child, not the mother. The child takes on some of the fleshly likenesses of the mother, but not the bloodline of her. Proven fact.

What's a proven fact?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yes, the Bible tells us that while Mary was with child(Jesus) Joseph was not to touch her in the sensual way until Jesus was birthed. So she did not remain a virgin as some have believed in error. There is such a thing as "fraternal twins" in which two different pregnancy's can happen in the same pregnancy by two different acts no matter if it is the same father or not. So this is why it was important for Joseph to not know(sexual sense) Mary until Jesus was born.
Matt 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
KJV
Blessings

Wanted to edit to be clear that Joseph was not the natural father of Jesus so his siblings were 1/2 brothers and sisters by Mary, for we know that God the Father was Jesus' Father. Our bloodline comes from the seed of a child's father, not the mother.

And I still stand by what I said earlier, God does nothing half way. Yes, Jesus had brothers and sisters that were of Joseph, the Earthly Dad of Jesus though not His Birth Father. God did not do this to divide this family and neither should we. Jesus viewed this relationship in a manor that is revolutionary us. When Mary and His Birth Brothers came to find Him, Jesus declared the people, there, with Him to be His family.

There is a lesson there we must learn if we are to follow God. Twice over we are, every single one of us, brothers and sisters. We are all taught we are the Birth Produts of Adam and Eve but out commonality is, like, a couple of thousand years tighter than that. Out of the Ark came one mother, one father, Noah, three sons and their wives, we are all the products of Noah. And yes, we are, every one of us married to our brothers or sisters, removed several times but, none the less, every white, black, red, yellow or brown person in this world, we are, full brothers and sisters. We must learn to stop looking at relationships in the way of the World. This errant view does, indeed, feed the Catholic view of Mary, the Eternal Virgin.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The virgin birth was a fulfillment of prophecy. That is why Joseph could not know her before Jesus was born.
Why was it a virgin birth?
I tend to think that somehow it would have defiled her or somehow made the birth impure. I don't know for sure, can't put my finger on it but just that there is something there that's not obvious to me.

I tend to believe you're on to an issue of importance there.

 

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And I still stand by what I said earlier, God does nothing half way. Yes, Jesus had brothers and sisters that were of Joseph, the Earthly Dad of Jesus though not His Birth Father. God did not do this to divide this family and neither should we. Jesus viewed this relationship in a manor that is revolutionary us. When Mary and His Birth Brothers came to find Him, Jesus declared the people, there, with Him to be His family.

There is a lesson there we must learn if we are to follow God. Twice over we are, every single one of us, brothers and sisters. We are all taught we are the Birth Produts of Adam and Eve but out commonality is, like, a couple of thousand years tighter than that. Out of the Ark came one mother, one father, Noah, three sons and their wives, we are all the products of Noah. And yes, we are, every one of us married to our brothers or sisters, removed several times but, none the less, every white, black, red, yellow or brown person in this world, we are, full brothers and sisters. We must learn to stop looking at relationships in the way of the World. This errant view does, indeed, feed the Catholic view of Mary, the Eternal Virgin.

Amen to the above.

 

[smaller]

While we're on the subject of Mary and her virginity, there is quite an interesting physical sign in humanity in the difference between a man and a woman. A woman has a physical sign that she is a virgin. Men do not. It was important that Mary was a virgin to show that she had not reproduced or attempted to produce carnally, and was in waiting to reproduce spiritually. There are many interesting nuances to this subject matter. Man on the other hand was just the dummy standing by. The carnal flesh man with no such physical sign to have to deal with.

 

[th1b.taylor]

While we're on the subject of Mary and her virginity, there is quite an interesting physical sign in humanity in the difference between a man and a woman. A woman has a physical sign that she is a virgin. Men do not. It was important that Mary was a virgin to show that she had not reproduced or attempted to produce carnally, and was in waiting to reproduce spiritually. There are many interesting nuances to this subject matter. Man on the other hand was just the dummy standing by. The carnal flesh man with no such physical sign to have to deal with.

LOL! Brought, immediately to my mind the thoughts of the average Wild Life Veternarian and Ag Teacher, Males are expendable. Sorry to go off subject. And there I go lying.

 

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LOL! Brought, immediately to my mind the thoughts of the average Wild Life Veternarian and Ag Teacher, Males are expendable. Sorry to go off subject. And there I go lying.

The weaker vessel does hold sway over the stronger vessel do they not? I'm saying there is a spiritual lesson there. Actually quite a lot of lessons, that we dummy males eventually learn.

 

[4afaithfulone]

What's a proven fact?

It is a proven fact that none of the mothers blood enters the child, for the child's blood forms inside the man's seed.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_MR_DeHaan/Chemistry/04.htm