Jesus's Brothers & Sisters

[TOG]

In that respect you are right and that is not where I come at this from. I look at what the Catholics teach, Mary remained a virgin and the other sons came into the marriage from Joseph's first wife. There is absolutely no reason to ever believe Mary and Joseph did not consummate their marriage and have other sons and with God doing nothing half way, those son's and daughters were the sisters and brothers.

When my wife and I married our first Christian partners, my daughter's birth father was to be polite, eternally absent and I printed a Certificate of Adoption, very official looking and gave to her that she might always be reminded she has a dad. I might be a little screwy but she is never to be called the half sister of my son and the same is true of my wife's son, they are mine and I feel that splitting Jesus out from His brothers and sisters in any manner forces the loss of parts of the family relationship, just as it does in life here and now.

"Likes" are not allowed in this forum, but if they were, I would "like" that post. I agree that there is no reason to believe that Mary never had any more children. In fact, the Bible actually says she did.

And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn. (Luke 2:7 ESV)
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You can't have a first child if you never have a second child. I also like the way you handle the situation with your own children.

The TOG​

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

In that respect you are right and that is not where I come at this from. I look at what the Catholics teach, Mary remained a virgin and the other sons came into the marriage from Joseph's first wife. There is absolutely no reason to ever believe Mary and Joseph did not consummate their marriage and have other sons and with God doing nothing half way, those son's and daughters were the sisters and brothers.

When my wife and I married our first Christian partners, my daughter's birth father was to be polite, eternally absent and I printed a Certificate of Adoption, very official looking and gave to her that she might always be reminded she has a dad. I might be a little screwy but she is never to be called the half sister of my son and the same is true of my wife's son, they are mine and I feel that splitting Jesus out from His brothers and sisters in any manner forces the loss of parts of the family relationship, just as it does in life here and now.

Thank you for clarifying yourself.
As such, you have taught me a new way to look at this and I appreciate it.
Thank you.
God bless you.

 

[Deborah13]

"Likes" are not allowed in this forum, but if they were, I would "like" that post. I agree that there is no reason to believe that Mary never had any more children. In fact, the Bible actually says she did.

And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn. (Luke 2:7 ESV)
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You can't have a first child if you never have a second child. I also like the way you handle the situation with your own children.

The TOG​

I think that 'first born' in the sense of this scripture and in the OT does not mean there is a second.
I think that 'Firstborn' is simply the name of the one who opens the womb, whether there are any latter or not.
Exo 13:2 `Sanctify to Me every first-born, opening any womb among the sons of Israel, among man and among beast; it is Mine.'

 

[th1b.taylor]

"Likes" are not allowed in this forum, but if they were, I would "like" that post. I agree that there is no reason to believe that Mary never had any more children. In fact, the Bible actually says she did.

And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn. (Luke 2:7 ESV)
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You can't have a first child if you never have a second child. I also like the way you handle the situation with your own children.

The TOG​

I, so, completely agree.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I think that 'first born' in the sense of this scripture and in the OT does not mean there is a second.
I think that 'Firstborn' is simply the name of the one who opens the womb, whether there are any latter or not.
Exo 13:2 `Sanctify to Me every first-born, opening any womb among the sons of Israel, among man and among beast; it is Mine.'

I, of course, disagree with you here. God sent Adam and Eve to replenish the earth. In 16th and 17th century English replenish was used to fill and the Jewish and the other sons of Israel understood and were serious about it. And to believe that Mary and Joseph did not try to fulfil that command. They were young and they were in love. Had Joseph not loved Mary with that all consuming fire, I'm not at all sire he would have obeyed God and protected her, blotching his own reputation.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I, of course, disagree with you here. God sent Adam and Eve to replenish the earth. In 16th and 17th century English replenish was used to fill and the Jewish and the other sons of Israel understood and were serious about it. And to believe that Mary and Joseph did not try to fulfil that command. They were young and they were in love. Had Joseph not loved Mary with that all consuming fire, I'm not at all sire he would have obeyed God and protected her, blotching his own reputation.

God made sure it happened.
He always does.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Thank you for clarifying yourself.
As such, you have taught me a new way to look at this and I appreciate it.
Thank you.
God bless you.

Like I said, I might be a little screwy but I believe. May God bless brother and wishing all of you the love I enjoyed when my three Grandsons were here today/

 

[LovethroughDove]

No! There is absolutely no biblical reason to believe that is so. The Catohlics have deified Mary and that is a lie unsupported by the Bible.

Three times God warns us in scripture neither to add nor to subtract from the Bible and this is an addition,

Why did you freak out on me? What is wrong with saying Jesus probably had 1/2 brothers or sisters. Mary probably had other kids and Jesus is God's literal Son, so no other children.

 

[Deborah13]

I, of course, disagree with you here. God sent Adam and Eve to replenish the earth. In 16th and 17th century English replenish was used to fill and the Jewish and the other sons of Israel understood and were serious about it. And to believe that Mary and Joseph did not try to fulfil that command. They were young and they were in love. Had Joseph not loved Mary with that all consuming fire, I'm not at all sire he would have obeyed God and protected her, blotching his own reputation.

I only addressed the meaning of title 'firstborn' as I see it is defined in the OT.
Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[jasonc]

I only addressed the meaning of title 'firstborn' as I see it is defined in the OT.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Judah wasn't the firstborn of Jacob, Rueben was but by sin Judah was next in line and had the firstborn blessing.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Why did you freak out on me? What is wrong with saying Jesus probably had 1/2 brothers or sisters. Mary probably had other kids and Jesus is God's literal Son, so no other children.

I didn't freak out and I think you and a small continuant of ors must surely be tired of me reminding you folks that when you post on the Internet, believe it or not and like or not you are teaching young children that surf the web and baby Christians. As I have already indicated, this feeds right into the still virgin Mary, the Mother of God worship that is false.

When we post on the web we must try to be aware of two things; we teach whether we mean to or not and what we post will not disapear from the web until, at least, Jesus returns to rule.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I didn't freak out and I think you and a small continuant of ors must surely be tired of me reminding you folks that when you post on the Internet, believe it or not and like or not you are teaching young children that surf the web and baby Christians. As I have already indicated, this feeds right into the still virgin Mary, the Mother of God worship that is false.

When we post on the web we must try to be aware of two things; we teach whether we mean to or not and what we post will not disapear from the web until, at least, Jesus returns to rule.

Jesus is also called Son of Man, so that is what Mary contributed. He did come in fallen flesh and that is the whole point of him coming in the first place....to redeem us. That is Christianity 101

Edit: no one is worshipping Mary here.

 

[jasonc]

Jesus is also called Son of Man, so that is what Mary contributed. He did come in fallen flesh and that is the whole point of him coming in the first place....to redeem us. That is Christianity 101

Edit: no one is worshipping Mary here.

the flesh of the Lord isn't evil nor fallen. to say that is to imply that Jesus was a sinner. God called adam's body prior to the fall Good.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Jesus is also called Son of Man, so that is what Mary contributed. He did come in fallen flesh and that is the whole point of him coming in the first place....to redeem us. That is Christianity 101

Edit: no one is worshipping Mary here.

Now, see, I did not, in any manor, say any here were worshiping Mary. This is how you whipped yourself into a frenzy the last time against me. What I posted has a context that should offend every member of the RCC but no one on this forum.

Now there you go again, Jesus was born pure, His mom missed the whoopie of sex, sin. Jesus was not born of sin and He had nothing to repent of, if He had, we would be saved. The Lamb had to be without spot and without blemish, perfect and if He d been born in sin He could never gain perfection.

 

[Lewis]

Jesus had 2 sisters but they are not talked about.

 

[Deborah13]

I only addressed the meaning of title 'firstborn' as I see it is defined in the OT.
Nothing more, nothing less.

I think that is talking about inheritance isn't it?
Isn't that different than firstborn that opens the womb? This one is a set aside one for the Lord?

 

[jasonc]

I think that is talking about inheritance isn't it?
Isn't that different than firstborn that opens the womb? This one is a set aside one for the Lord?

that verse in the torah is for one person only the Lord. the jews say that today if a child does that then he is the moshiac.

 

[Deborah13]

Jesus had 2 sisters but they are not talked about.

I think too think He had sisters but I don't see in scripture where it says there were two or who they were. Do you know?

 

[Deborah13]

that verse in the torah is for one person only the Lord. the jews say that today if a child does that then he is the moshiac.

Sorry Jason, I don't understand. The verse I quote is talking about both firstborn people and animals alike.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Did Jesus have brothers and sisters (siblings)?

Jesus the man while in the flesh on the Earth, had a human father, and a human mother, why would it be surprising that he would have human brothers and sisters. Besides that, Scriptures teaches that He did.
Now granted some religions put Mary on a Pedestal, even though they deny tooth and nail that they do this, but they think and believe Mary to be pure, that is to say having no children at all, they even claim she did not have sex with her own husband, she was so pure. Virgin even at her death. What shocks me though, is that these same people don't believe she somehow escaped death and became an Angel and because she was so pure and holy, that not even death could touch her. WAIT, i better be careful, i might have just started another false belief unawares.

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