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Bible Study Job: Defense on God's behalf. (Not that God needs help, just saying)

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Brother Mike

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Praise God everyone! I am going to present a study about a man named Job.

Job was a upright man that feared the Lord, God saying so Himself. Traditional teaching about Job is along the lines that God made some sort of deal with the devil. Satan drags in behind some of God's angels and accuses God of putting a hedge around Job. In fact Satan says, if you destroy those things God, then Job will curse you to your face. God then says, "Behold all that He has is in your power, just don't touch him."
So, God proves to a disobedient angel that Job won't curse Him and God is teaching Job a lesson. A lesson Job never learned of course as Job blamed God through the whole thing.

Job is important to believers because it tends to make a lot of Christians think that even if they serve God, that God can at anytime send affliction and tragedy their way to see what they are made of. God after all is Sovereign and does whatever He wants. This being the case, it's hard to get in faith toward God if you think He might be the cause of such tragedy. Look at Job! A Upright man, yet God sends a cold blooded killer to murder his children. Who is to say God won't do that to one of us?

I don't want to make this super long. Believes tend to get caught up in the Why though. Because it's not apparent how Job could have been at fault, it is assumed it must be God's fault. Believers also tend to forget what evil is when in Church. At home they are normal people and can tell you right away that the murder of a child is evil. In fact they might even talk about the eternity in Hell the child killer might face. In Church however, the lines between good and evil get blurred and the child was taken early for God's mysterious and greater purpose we humans are to dumb to figure out.

If it was the will of God to murder the Child, then the one that murdered the child would also have to be in the will of God. Right? Of course we would not think like that, but murdering children is evil! Jesus said it's best for a millstone to be tied around the murders neck.

So, I'll let you study these out if interested. Some points people don't think about when reading Job.

1) God can not be tempted with evil. No, God is not going to listen to a liar as Satan can't even tell the truth. (John 8:44)

2) God never gave Satan permission to get Job. Behold in Hebrew means lo, or pay attention dummy.

3) God said choose blessing or cursing. God is not letting down the hedges, it is mans choice to let the hedge of protection down. Job had to do something wrong, but not what his 3 friends suggested.

4) God does not tempt any man with evil things. Look it up in James.

5) God is love. Love don't send hit man to murder peoples children.

6) God said the whole thing was without cause. Good enough to show that no deal was made with the devil and God saw no purpose in Job's affliction.

7) Job came under the curse of the law. His ox, sheep, camels were taken and children murdered. Same things listed in Deut 28: The curse only comes from disobedience or doing something spiritually stupid.

8) Job said the Lord gives and takes away, but I will had fast to my own ways. No, the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. Job also admitted that he could not be corrected. This was Job's false humility as later Job said that God harmed him without cause. (Job 9)

9) Why did Job continually sacrifice for his Children? What day did Satan attack? Think about it.

10) Elihu said to Job this..............

Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways. Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.
(Job 34:10-12)

Once again, God had nothing to do with letting a hedge down, or giving the devil any permission to do anything. God won't pervert judgment though. Elihu gave the full answer here.

11) 58 times to fear not. 48 times be not afraid. Give no place to the devil. Read Job 3:25 and see if you find any connections there.

12) Nope, Job learned nothing, and God was not very happy with Job when God shows up.

13) Job is the only man in the bible to obey and fear God, yet tragedy came. Why we miss this discrepancy?

14) God said touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm.
Pro 3:30 Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.

God certainly did not break his own Word.

Some things to think about. If you need scriptures just say so.

God had nothing to do with harming Job, or letting down any hedge. God never gave the devil permission to harm Job, but only set boundaries about killing Job. Which should be another clue that God did not buy into any of Satan's junk because if Job is dead, then how do we find out if He curses God or not? Think about it.


Mike.
 
Hi mike,
I'm posting from my tablet which isn't a good place for me to adequately reply, so please bear with me.

I believe there is evidence that Job was a gentile and as such he would not have been subject to the law of Moses. In the last verse of Job it says

I believe that there is e17 And so Job died, an old man and full of years.

Contrast this to when Abraham dies. Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people.

Same with Isaac. Isaac lived a hundred and eighty years. 29 Then he breathed his last and died and was gathered to his people, old and full of years.

I'll not bore you, but you will find this type of language anytime a Hebrew dies, but when a gentile dies it will read as Job does.

I think that one misconception may be that Job sacrifices to the lord. Cain and Abel also offered sacrifice, as did Abraham and they by no ,means were under the law of Moses. Also, Milkizedek was not of Abraham either.

One of the best studies I have done on Job came from a Jewish compilation and they made the point that what Job was lacking was a relationship with God. He did everything required of the Lord, but he lacked a relationship based on love. Outwardly he was a righteous man, and God affirms this. But God wants more than blind obedience.

Proverbs says that the fear of the lord is the beginning wisdom, but john says that there is no fear in the lord and that God is love. Actually, I believe john says that love drives out fear. This agrees with the Jewish commentary that makes a good case that God will allow bad things to happen to us that will draw us into relation with God.

Thoughts or questions?

Thanks!
 
Thank you very much Brother :)

I did not mention it, but you did. Job lacked a relationship with God. I have been studying Job for years now and it's there. Job did not really know God on a personal level. Job has been a obstacle for me at times when trying to help people. It just could be possible that God is allowing Satan to attack to build some type of character. God never let the hedge down, never sent Satan to murder Job's children. Job gave the rat a place through fear. If God were to stop Satan, then God would have had to break his own Word. It's eternally written 58 times to fear not, and job was sacrificing for his Children out of fear of loss.

Satan's theme was curse God. He always has a theme that he keeps driving at us. Jobs kids might have cursed God, Satan told God Job would curse him and Job's wife said curse God and die. Job feared that something would take the blessing he had enjoyed away and sure enough, everything he feared came.

This agrees with the Jewish commentary that makes a good case that God will allow bad things to happen to us that will draw us into relation with God.

It would make a good case if somewhere in the Word we had another comparison. Job feared God, and was obedient. Nobody else in the Bible that feared and obeyed God had the enemy come crashing in on them. Moses hit the rock, David and Bathsheba, We see where others in the Bible blew it and trouble came, Job is not apparent because it was a case of allowing fear in. Remember, God said the whole thing was without cause, so God certainly had no hand or purpose in what happened to Job. Elihu confirms this.

As for the curse of the law. The curse came at Adams transgression. The Law Galatians says was a mediator of some type between God and man which did not work out so swift. You see a strong connection to disobedience to God and the devil getting a place through the OT. Job gave a place because of lack of trust and understanding.

Nice car and thank you for that great insight.

Mike.
 
Ahhhhh! I just lost my post and I'm on my tablet so I'm not going to try and type all that again. I'm so bummed!
 
the law didn't come to adam. the torah means teaching. adam, noah and unto Abraham didn't follow moses. moses gave the commands to isreal. god defined sin, and that is a type of torah. the word torah means to teach, or instructions.
 
Ahhhhh! I just lost my post and I'm on my tablet so I'm not going to try and type all that again. I'm so bummed!

I missed it also. Bummer.

jasoncran


Thank you Jason. I mentioned that Job experienced the Curse of the Law. The curse came for disobedience to what God instructed. Adam came under the curse (A Curse) for disobedience. The Point is that not obeying God brings bad things. We see that from Adam to Judas who gave up his discipleship. Job is different because of the stark contrast to what Job experienced as opposed to all the other great people in the bible where God removed danger, defeated armies, and blessed the people for obedience. My question was that a man that feared God and did right (Job) still had his children murdered by Satan. That is what I was examining.

Mike.
 
Ahhhhh! I just lost my post and I'm on my tablet so I'm not going to try and type all that again. I'm so bummed!

I missed it also. Bummer.

jasoncran


Thank you Jason. I mentioned that Job experienced the Curse of the Law. The curse came for disobedience to what God instructed. Adam came under the curse (A Curse) for disobedience. The Point is that not obeying God brings bad things. We see that from Adam to Judas who gave up his discipleship. Job is different because of the stark contrast to what Job experienced as opposed to all the other great people in the bible where God removed danger, defeated armies, and blessed the people for obedience. My question was that a man that feared God and did right (Job) still had his children murdered by Satan. That is what I was examining.

Mike.

Hi brother Mike,

Something to ponder. The curse of the law is based on ones failure to obey the law... And only for this under the law. This points to the covenant at Mt. Sinia and Deuteronomy 28 where it speaks of blessings and curses. When God speaks of Job, he says that Job is blameless. Again, something to ponder as well as the idea that Job wasn't under that law since he was a Gentile.

If you read the text you will see that God brings up Job and Jobs reply is that Job has what he has because God shelters him. We also see that God sets limits on what Satan can inflict upon Job so in a sense Satan is correct. This is most easily seen in chapter 2 verse 6.

In both chapter 1 and 2 it is clear that God calls out Job to Satan and both time God bolsters how Job fears the Lord so much that he is blameless.

Going back to chapter 1, we see Job doing all the right things even offering sacrifice for his children (just in case). What this tells us is that Job is a religious man, but it also shows us the depth of his relationship with God. Contrast this to David when he looses Abselom, or when he looses his kingdom or any of the other losses he incured and it makes it even clearer that Job has the fear of the Lord, but he has no Love for the Lord.
 
Steve:
Contrast this to David when he looses Abselom, or when he looses his kingdom or any of the other losses he incured and it makes it even clearer that Job has the fear of the Lord, but he has no Love for the Lord.

Glad to see the Tablet doing it's job again :)

I never considered that Job did not "Love" God. Very interesting take on Job's relationship with God. God really likes Job though, even though God's not real happy with Job when God shows up. Job did say some dumb things though.

God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
(Job 16:11)

Job's version of God causes it to rain on the just and unjust.

This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroyeth the perfect and the wicked.
(Job 9:22)

Job Blames God for harming him without any purpose or cause.

For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.
(Job 9:17)

David would have been saying that God's Mercy endures forever, God will not hide his ear from my prayer but lift me up.

I can see what you mean. Job did not understand loving God. He had no trust in God and any trust Job had was based on his own works.

Curse of the Law


I think we are looking at this curse a bit different. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. I was not looking at the technical aspects of the law, but only what disobedience to God brought on the Jew and Gentile. The law was certainly given to the Jew's but my take is that Jesus took the punishment for our disobedience. Every sickness man can get comes out of this curse. Sickness, mold, and all the curse brought was not designed to teach us, but destroy us. Even Paul turning the man over to Satan was for his destruction. This is what Satan does, or disobedience, fear or breaking the Word of God gives the devil place.

Deu 28:61
Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

So I was looking at the curse from that angle. One other thing about Job. He did not understand loving God. I see David's sin with Bathsheba cost him dearly, even his kids ended up in disaster. Moses just beat a rock and it cost him dearly. I know God forgave them, but there was consequences though both men loved and trusted God.

Job, was clueless and God shows up, chews Job out and gives Job back twice what He lost. I believe this is because Job was just in ignorance where David and Moses were not. Job is a very interesting book.
Thank you for responding.

Mike.
 
Steve:
Contrast this to David when he looses Abselom, or when he looses his kingdom or any of the other losses he incured and it makes it even clearer that Job has the fear of the Lord, but he has no Love for the Lord.

Glad to see the Tablet doing it's job again :)

I never considered that Job did not "Love" God. Very interesting take on Job's relationship with God. God really likes Job though, even though God's not real happy with Job when God shows up. Job did say some dumb things though.

God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
(Job 16:11)

Job's version of God causes it to rain on the just and unjust.

This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroyeth the perfect and the wicked.
(Job 9:22)

Job Blames God for harming him without any purpose or cause.

For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.
(Job 9:17)

I can see what you mean. Job did not understand loving God. He had no trust in God and any trust Job had was based on his own works.

Curse of the Law


I think we are looking at this curse a bit different. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. I was not looking at the technical aspects of the law, but only what disobedience to God brought on the Jew and Gentile. The law was certainly given to the Jew's but my take is that Jesus took the punishment for our disobedience. Every sickness man can get comes out of this curse. Sickness, mold, and all the curse brought was not designed to teach us, but destroy us. Even Paul turning the man over to Satan was for his destruction. This is what Satan does, or disobedience, fear or breaking the Word of God gives the devil place.

Deu 28:61
Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

So I was looking at the curse from that angle. One other thing about Job. He did not understand loving God. I see David's sin with Bathsheba cost him dearly, even his kids ended up in disaster. Moses just beat a rock and it cost him dearly. I know God forgave them, but there was consequences though both men loved and trusted God.

Job, was clueless and God shows up, chews Job out and gives Job back twice what He lost. I believe this is because Job was just in ignorance where David and Moses were not. Job is a very interesting book.
Thank you for responding.

Mike.
steve tracker, his alias is stovebolts and his name isn't steve,lol
 
.Curse of the Law

I think we are looking at this curse a bit different. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. I was not looking at the technical aspects of the law, but only what disobedience to God brought on the Jew and Gentile. The law was certainly given to the Jew's but my take is that Jesus took the punishment for our disobedience. Every sickness man can get comes out of this curse. Sickness, mold, and all the curse brought was not designed to teach us, but destroy us. Even Paul turning the man over to Satan was for his destruction. This is what Satan does, or disobedience, fear or breaking the Word of God gives the devil place.

Deu 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

So I was looking at the curse from that angle. One other thing about Job. He did not understand loving God. I see David's sin with Bathsheba cost him dearly, even his kids ended up in disaster. Moses just beat a rock and it cost him dearly. I know God forgave them, but there was consequences though both men loved and trusted God.

Job, was clueless and God shows up, chews Job out and gives Job back twice what He lost. I believe this is because Job was just in ignorance where David and Moses were not. Job is a very interesting book.
Thank you for responding.

Mike.

Hi Mike and thanks for the conversation.

I see how you are looking at the Law and I'm trying to view it that way but its hard for me because I don't see the law as a curse. Instead, I see it as a means to guide he Nation of Is real that they would be a light to the nations. I believe somewhere in Torah it says that God gave them Torah not because they deserved it, but so that the other nations would see their wisdom. Jesus echoes this when he says we are lights sitting on a hilltop and that people may see our good works so that God would be glorified. Again, sorry I'm on ,y tablet. I wish I could find both verses.

Job was considered a wise man and the texts even say that he used that wisdom for others. But as far as Jobs friends and the conversations they have, really its a debate on the nature of God. One of his highly regarded friends says that God is doing this because Job sinned. In reality, Job was found without sin and that comes from God himself. So we have the debate on Gods nature going on at the same time we see how Job mistreats his friends.

Jobs friends came from a long way away to support their friend, and they even sit on silence with him. But have you noticed how he greats them? Is it a wonder then the following chapters of arguments?

Well, its almost 9 and I've only got about an hr. Left. I'll be in the air most of tomorrow and then a long weekend. I have enjoyed reading your thoughts and look forward to reading more of them.

Jeff
 
let me go the right chapter. that book has such a jewish bias.

So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spake a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great.

that is something I know that jews do when they mourn, the orthodox. its has been centuries since they do it but they did mourn with silence. the friends mourned in this manner.

I stand corrected its more of how jews mourn. job wails loudly.
 
Hey Mike,


Ding ding ding! Light bulb just went on lol! Your focusing on the curses. Duh. Outwardly Job did everything right. But what are the two greatest commandments of the law?

Got it! He didn't love God and we see how he treated his friends. Never caught that before!
 
let me go the right chapter. that book has such a jewish bias.

So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spake a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great.

that is something I know that jews do when they mourn, the orthodox. its has been centuries since they do it but they did mourn with silence. the friends mourned in this manner.

I stand corrected its more of how jews mourn. job wails loudly.

Thanks Jason. If I lost what Job lost I'd be in hell... Just keeping it real. I know what I did and how I felt about God when my daughter died. I have a lot of respect for Job and his restraint. But as far as his wailing, I think it cuts to the core of the emotions he was suffering.
 
I think its more of how we express it. we keep to ourselves mostly and if we do mourn its in private. whereas the ancient near east cultures mourned out loud and well they were also collective in nature. jews as we know tend to be liberal and also are collective in culture.
 
any trust Job had was based on his own works.

God says this to Job...
Job 40:14

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

14 “Then I will also confess to you,
That your own right hand can save you.

God said Job was a righteous man. God blessed Job, He like him, Job was obedient.
Job repents of his self-righteousness.
 
Job Blames God for harming him without any purpose or cause.

For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.
(Job 9:17)

This is verse has always been a hard one for me....
The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause.â€

satan incited God ??

Just can't get my head around it.
 
Jason:
steve tracker, his alias is stovebolts and his name isn't steve,lol

I just glanced at the name Stovebolts. I guess I put a "e" in for the "o" thank you for the correction.

S.T.O.V.EBolts

Got it! He didn't love God and we see how he treated his friends. Never caught that before!

Wait, I think you brought up the fact about Job loving God. I just rechecked some scripture to check it out so thank YOU for bringing that up. Job's friends believed that God is a good God and the only way for Job to have such supernatural destruction was that Job was someone that Job did not appear to be. Satan physically rained fire and burned up all the sheep, so of course his friends felt that Job must have done something terribly wrong as fire normally does not just come down from the sky.

In other Words, Job had to be a rotten sinner in some aspect of his life because God just does not inflict good people like He did Job. That was his friends take, that Job through sin had brought the pain on himself because God was mad.

Job's position was that He was perfect and God is unjust. Job also said tho he slay me, I will trust him but keep MY OWN WAY. In other words, this is false humility and Job was saying he was not going to change or receive correction. He said this in chapter 3 so anything his friends tried to help with went into deaf ears. Job certainly did not trust God by his later comments. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance, so God does not give and take away.
Thanks Jason. If I lost what Job lost I'd be in hell... Just keeping it real. I know what I did and how I felt about God when my daughter died. I have a lot of respect for Job and his restraint. But as far as his wailing, I think it cuts to the core of the emotions he was suffering.

I am very sad to hear about your daughter. It makes the book of Job take on a more significant meaning when loosing a child. The thought is that God could have done something but did not. I can assure you this is not the case. To know to do good, but do it not is sin. (James 4:17) I myself was told my son would not live through the night. You can believe that God is not in the business of killing children, or sending the enemy after us. We have a part to play and sometimes through ignorance we make spiritual mistakes. I met a man that lost his 10 year old son right next to him. It's a long story but he spent most his life hating God because of it. I am thankful you have understanding and your daughter is just fine, you will see her soon enough as we are here but a short time.

Deborah13

This is verse has always been a hard one for me....
The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause.â€

satan incited God ??

Just can't get my head around it.

Blessings Deborah!!

It's the way that the KJV translated it. The word movesdt or entice is Hebrew SUTH. It means persuade, provoke, stir up, seduce. It would be like saying, "Deborah your trying to provoke me to buy a pink hat without a good reason. I don't wear pink hats and I will not buy one."

So, Satan told God at the start, YOU PUT YOUR HANDS ON JOB He will curse you. That is an attempt to incite, provoke or entice. God said nope, pay attention dummy. the Hedge is down, do as you wish but don't touch Job.

The second time Satan drags his smelly carcass to the throne room God said that Job is upright, Job holds to his integrity and did not curse me. Although thou enticed me............... Although and thou was added for clarification. It makes it look as if God fell for Satan's lies the first time though and had a part in harming Job. This is not the case because God said without cause and it could have been translated better. God is not doing anything without a reason. Read the message Bible version.

MSG
Then GOD said to Satan, "Have you noticed my friend Job? There's no one quite like him, is there--honest and true to his word, totally devoted to God and hating evil? He still has a firm grip on his integrity! You tried to trick me into destroying him, but it didn't work."
(Job 2:3)

This is in reference when Satan told God to put his own hands on Job. God would not. God said Job holds fast his integrity. This is important if you understand how spiritual things work. We have two supernatural beings having a conversation here. We miss the in between stuff because both beings know a lot more things than what is being said.

God is sticking up for Job, God is telling Satan you had your place and Job is still standing strong. You even tried to provoke me to harm Job and there is no reason to do so. The place God is referring to is Satan had Job believing that if He lost everything in Job's mind he might curse God and die. That was Satan's mind numbing driving theme and fear he had gotten Job to believe. Curse God, then you die. Job believed his kids my be cursing God at the parties. If you curse God then you die, so Job out of fear for losing his children sacrificed an animal(s) every single time the kids got together. Only fear motivates someone to go through all that trouble. Satan had a place as God warned 58 times to fear not in the Word, 48 times to be not afraid. Job was sacrificing from fear of loss, and not trust or faith in God.

The day the children had gotten together is the day Satan struck. This was Satan's place. In one day Job lost everything that Job had fear of loosing. Job had the two opposing factions close by and Job constantly worried He would have trouble from them. The Sabeans and the Chaldeans. Satan came to God saying, I have a place in Job's life, I know if you Harm him God that Job will curse you. God had been watching Satan's interaction with Job for a long time and was not clueless when Satan came to the throne room to present his case. God never agreed to the deal, never gave permission, and God's response to Satan "Behold all that he has is in YOUR POWER" Was only because Satan ask God to Harm Job. Not because God was giving the devil any permission. They both knew Job had been following everything Satan had put in Job through fear.

Job's wife came and said. "Why hold onto your integrity. Curse God and die." Once again we see the same lie and theme Satan had Gotten Job to believe. Nowhere in scripture does it say cursing God kills you. Satan made that up.

Job said..................

For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.
(Job 3:25-26)

Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

Job feared the safety of his children in case they curse God, and Job feared the bands of the Sabeans and Chaldeans. Job's comment about the Sabeans and Chaldeans.

God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
(Job 16:11)

The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.
(Pro 29:25)

If God would have stopped Satan, God would have had to break His eternal Word. That is not going to happen, ever. Even though Job was ignorant, God still had mercy though. Elihu stated the same thing, God is not evil and God will not pervert judgment.

Now you know. Our great God had nothing to do with what happened to Job.

Mike.
 
Job Blames God for harming him without any purpose or cause.

For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.
(Job 9:17)

This is verse has always been a hard one for me....
The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause.”

satan incited God ??

Just can't get my head around it.

Deborah13:

I think it was in the sense of God allowing Job's testing, rather than God's (supposed) uncontrolled passion (which does not describe God).

God chose to allow Job to be tested. He was not supposedly coerced or compelled.

Kind of a linguistic/translation thing, really. This is how I would understand it00, I reckon.

Blessings.
 
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