Joel Osteen, good or bad

[Kathi]

And yet, the absolute BEST of the learned Scripture teachers and Religious Leaders who all also KNEW they were right, compared Jesus with the devil.

Just sayin'....... We may not know all we think we know.

This discussion is going no where.Life is full of choices.You read the Bible and then you decide.God has given us the ability to make our own choices because He loves us.So with that I will leave this discussion.

 

[Willie T]

Simply saying, are we all that sure of everything that we can condemn a man like Osteen?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I like that Joel said that all paths must lead to Jesus.
He also showed without any hostility that homosexuality is a sin.
He has his own way, he's getting better at it, I'm sure he does more than most preachers to serve God. I've known many pastors that don't belong in their position.
They get stuck in it because they need a paycheck and they don't want to sell shoes instead (I use that analogy because I've known a couple of pastors who sold shoes between pastoral assignments).

 

[Free]

Simply saying, are we all that sure of everything that we can condemn a man like Osteen?

No one has to be sure of everything to recognize various false teachings.

I like that Joel said that all paths must lead to Jesus.

If he actually meant that every belief system leads to Jesus, then that is an exceedingly serious error that goes directly against Scripture. That is precisely the problem I've been getting at--he says what people want to hear, not what they need to hear. It's a worldly way of thinking that says if we find it agreeable, if it feels right, it must be true.

2 Tim 4:1-4, 1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (ESV)

 

[Deborah13]

No one has to be sure of everything to recognize various false teachings.
If he actually meant that every belief system leads to Jesus, then that is an exceedingly serious error that goes directly against Scripture. That is precisely the problem I've been getting at--he says what people want to hear, not what they need to hear. It's a worldly way of thinking that says if we find it agreeable, if it feels right, it must be true.

Wow do we ever hear, read, and interpret what others say very different and this is a perfect example of that.

Allen: "I like that Joel said that all paths Must lead to Jesus."
Free: "If he actually meant that every belief system leads to Jesus,"
Deb: "If your path does not lead to Jesus you are on the wrong path."

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Wow do we ever hear, read, and interpret what others say very different and this is a perfect example of that.

Allen: "I like that Joel said that all paths Must lead to Jesus."
Free: "If he actually meant that every belief system leads to Jesus,"
Deb: "If your path does not lead to Jesus you are on the wrong path."

No one has to be sure of everything to recognize various false teachings.



If he actually meant that every belief system leads to Jesus, then that is an exceedingly serious error that goes directly against Scripture. That is precisely the problem I've been getting at--he says what people want to hear, not what they need to hear. It's a worldly way of thinking that says if we find it agreeable, if it feels right, it must be true.

2 Tim 4:1-4, 1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (ESV)

Free, you've sounded from the beginning very one-sided and closed minded on this issue.
Are moderators suppose to do this?

 

[Free]

Wow do we ever hear, read, and interpret what others say very different and this is a perfect example of that.

Allen: "I like that Joel said that all paths Must lead to Jesus."
Free: "If he actually meant that every belief system leads to Jesus,"
Deb: "If your path does not lead to Jesus you are on the wrong path."

I'm not sure how what I have said is any different from what allenwynne said.

Free, you've sounded from the beginning very one-sided and closed minded on this issue.
Are moderators suppose to do this?

Have opinions on things theological? Of course we are allowed.

There is nothing closed-minded about errors in teaching. If what you said above is what Osteen said, and if he means that in the sense that pluralists typically do, then it goes against Scripture.

 

[Deborah13]

I'm not sure how what I have said is any different from what allenwynne said.



Have opinions on things theological? Of course we are allowed.

There is nothing closed-minded about errors in teaching. If what you said above is what Osteen said, and if he means that in the sense that pluralists typically do, then it goes against Scripture.

I'd be interested in hearing what you think Joel said in this video. I assumed that sense you remarked on what Allen said he heard him say that you were stating that you heard him say something different.

 

[Edward]

That is assuming his accuracy is that high.

Personally, I think he is just a motivational speaker who uses the bible to support his messages, which is very dangerous as it gives people the wrong impression about how God works. Say someone "converts" while attending one of Osteens events then starts going through a trial. They have no reasonable expectation as to how to deal with the trial as Osteen never addresses them in his messages.

That's not a bad point brother. If they are a known false prophet/teacher then perhaps it is best to avoid them all together. But some Pastors have been wrong about a thing or two (prophecies usually), but the rest of their message is right on the money and much can still be learned from them.

In what way? We are commanded in Scripture to judge false teachers and false prophets and have nothing to do with them or their teachings.


Where does it say this?...

Do you have a scripture that we are to judge teachers and stay away from them?

Where does it say that we need no man to teach us, but the Spirit will? Right here in 1 John...

1 John 2:27
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him./

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

"If you dare to take your mind off your troubles, get your mind off of your own needs and, seek to be a blessing to other people, God will do more for you than you could even ask or think". Joel Osteen

Now this is great teaching and preaching.
This is what everyone needs to hear.
How many of us do this?
What do we occupy our minds with instead?
We should always seek to be a blessing to other people.
We can be sure that God will bless us everytime.
If we have this attitude and look to serve other people, than God will put these people in our paths and we will be a blessing to all.
This is what God wants and we could not feel better doing anything else.

Good teaching Joel!

 

[Edward]

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[reba]

Free, you've sounded from the beginning very one-sided and closed minded on this issue.
Are moderators suppose to do this?

Moderators are welcome to post they are members.... By the way Free does not moderate The Lounge.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Moderators are welcome to post they are members.... By the way Free does not moderate The Lounge.

Thank you Reba.
I asked the question because I read the Terms of Service and found nothing about the conduct for moderators.
So of course, I was curious.

 

[Deborah13]

Here's another good one about how to be blessed!

It is important for a husband to understand that his words have tremendous power in his wife’s life. He needs to bless her with words. She’s given her life to love and care for him, to partner with him, to create a family together, to nurture his children. If he is always finding fault in something she’s doing, always putting her down, he will reap horrendous problems in his marriage and in his life. Moreover, many women today are depressed and feel emotionally abused because their husbands do not bless them with their words. One of the leading causes of emotional breakdowns among married women is the fact that women do not feel valued. One of the main reasons for that deficiency is because husbands are willfully or unwittingly withholding the words of approval women so desperately desire. If you want to see God do wonders in your marriage, start praising your spouse. Start appreciating and encouraging her. Every single day, a husband should tell his wife, “I love you. I appreciate you. You’re the best thing that ever happened to me.” A wife should do the same for her husband. Your relationship would improve immensely if you’d simply start speaking kind, positive words, blessing your spouse instead of cursing him or her.”
― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Here's another good one about how to be blessed!

It is important for a husband to understand that his words have tremendous power in his wife’s life. He needs to bless her with words. She’s given her life to love and care for him, to partner with him, to create a family together, to nurture his children. If he is always finding fault in something she’s doing, always putting her down, he will reap horrendous problems in his marriage and in his life. Moreover, many women today are depressed and feel emotionally abused because their husbands do not bless them with their words. One of the leading causes of emotional breakdowns among married women is the fact that women do not feel valued. One of the main reasons for that deficiency is because husbands are willfully or unwittingly withholding the words of approval women so desperately desire. If you want to see God do wonders in your marriage, start praising your spouse. Start appreciating and encouraging her. Every single day, a husband should tell his wife, “I love you. I appreciate you. You’re the best thing that ever happened to me.” A wife should do the same for her husband. Your relationship would improve immensely if you’d simply start speaking kind, positive words, blessing your spouse instead of cursing him or her.”
― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

Wow! This Joel Osteen thing is getting more powerful by the moment!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Here's another good one about how to be blessed!

It is important for a husband to understand that his words have tremendous power in his wife’s life. He needs to bless her with words. She’s given her life to love and care for him, to partner with him, to create a family together, to nurture his children. If he is always finding fault in something she’s doing, always putting her down, he will reap horrendous problems in his marriage and in his life. Moreover, many women today are depressed and feel emotionally abused because their husbands do not bless them with their words. One of the leading causes of emotional breakdowns among married women is the fact that women do not feel valued. One of the main reasons for that deficiency is because husbands are willfully or unwittingly withholding the words of approval women so desperately desire. If you want to see God do wonders in your marriage, start praising your spouse. Start appreciating and encouraging her. Every single day, a husband should tell his wife, “I love you. I appreciate you. You’re the best thing that ever happened to me.” A wife should do the same for her husband. Your relationship would improve immensely if you’d simply start speaking kind, positive words, blessing your spouse instead of cursing him or her.”
― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

I just spoke those words to my wife and she spoke them back to me and we started hugging and kissing!
Yes, it really works, Praise the Lord!

 

[Edward]

If you dare to take your mind off your troubles, get your mind off of your own needs and, seek to be a blessing to other people, God will do more for you than you could even ask or think". Joel Osteen

This is a good teaching, and what we should do. Were the blessing to others. Freely we have been given, freely we should give. God blesses us, we bless others. Always help when you can. Everything belongs to God anyway, and He gives to us. If the world was as it should be, there would be no need for a welfare system. We take care of our own, meaning people, not just family.

My (ex) wife did not like for us to leave offerings in the church plate (afraid the Pastor would mis-use it and not help others), but she had no problem helping the poor. One time she seen a guy walking in winter with no shoes, and had me turn around and took him over to the store and bought him a pair of shoes. I had/have no problem with this, and consider it an offering just as much as if it had gone into the collection plate. Same thing, same heart.

If God provides for us in all things, then we can provide for others in the same way.

 

[Willie T]

Here's another good one about how to be blessed!

It is important for a husband to understand that his words have tremendous power in his wife’s life. He needs to bless her with words. She’s given her life to love and care for him, to partner with him, to create a family together, to nurture his children. If he is always finding fault in something she’s doing, always putting her down, he will reap horrendous problems in his marriage and in his life. Moreover, many women today are depressed and feel emotionally abused because their husbands do not bless them with their words. One of the leading causes of emotional breakdowns among married women is the fact that women do not feel valued. One of the main reasons for that deficiency is because husbands are willfully or unwittingly withholding the words of approval women so desperately desire. If you want to see God do wonders in your marriage, start praising your spouse. Start appreciating and encouraging her. Every single day, a husband should tell his wife, “I love you. I appreciate you. You’re the best thing that ever happened to me.” A wife should do the same for her husband. Your relationship would improve immensely if you’d simply start speaking kind, positive words, blessing your spouse instead of cursing him or her.”
― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

Oh, Man! How can someone who claims to be a man of God SAY such horrible things? I guess I was wrong... he definitely sounds like a false teacher. 2

 

[Deborah13]

This is a good teaching, and what we should do. Were the blessing to others. Freely we have been given, freely we should give. God blesses us, we bless others. Always help when you can. Everything belongs to God anyway, and He gives to us. If the world was as it should be, there would be no need for a welfare system. We take care of our own, meaning people, not just family.

My (ex) wife did not like for us to leave offerings in the church plate (afraid the Pastor would mis-use it and not help others), but she had no problem helping the poor. One time she seen a guy walking in winter with no shoes, and had me turn around and took him over to the store and bought him a pair of shoes. I had/have no problem with this, and consider it an offering just as much as if it had gone into the collection plate. Same thing, same heart.

If God provides for us in all things, then we can provide for others in the same way.

I have a question for you and I don't mean to put you on the spot.
Why would you think here that Joel was talking about blessings in the form of money?
Love is the biggest Need anyone has. Give love get love in return, God's love blessing.

 

[Edward]

I have a question for you and I don't mean to put you on the spot.
Why would you think here that Joel was talking about blessings in the form of money?
Love is the biggest Need anyone has. Give love get love in return, God's love blessing.

I don't think it's just about money, but that is one of the big problems for many because it provides shelter and food. But I do agree with you that love is the biggest need anywhere.