John 3:3 Picked Apart With A Question...

[Angel]

I found out a long time ago that you can't separate the spiritual from the physical...

God bless

Could you elaborate? If not here than another thread?

 

[Angel]

Gary
Are you saying Jesus wasn't European with blonde hair and soft eyes?

LOL

 

[TheCurseoftheRodain]

I think that the best way to compare the two is to do a word search on each one. One of our mods did that and posted it in a thread. It was eye opening.

Sounds good.

 

[iLOVE]

A healthy dose of fear of the Lord is good for the soul.

Blessings,

Could you please explain and post the scripture with your explanation.

 

[Gary]

Some stuff in scripture scares me a little. I wouldn't want to self deceive...

A healthy dose of fear of the Lord is good for the soul.

Blessings,

Could you please explain and post the scripture with your explanation.

I was merely stating that it's good that the scriptures put fear in a person. While God promises eternal life to those who obey Him, He also warns of what will happen if you don't.

Matthew 10
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Here God is making reference to Himself and what He is able to do. Abandon the faith and this can happen to you.

Hebrews 10
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is referencing those who willingly turn away from God.

The next 2 passages indicate that it is possible to fall out of grace with God and that the consequences are not good.

2 Peter 2
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

James 5
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

This passage from Matthew makes it clear that some who believe they are saved are in fact not and never were.

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


These are what I was referring to in my reply to Edward. There are more but I think this enough to get the point across.
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[Deborah13]

Praise the Lord for His grace and mercy!

 

[TheCurseoftheRodain]

As with many words in the Word itself, it is important to understand what the original meaning of that word is vs what we use it as in the modern English vernacular.

With fear, the Scripture is not telling you to be afraid of/frightened of the Lord, but to be in awe of, in great respect of, in reverence of the Lord.
Fear, as we know it in the English, to be afraid of, is never a good thing, in any situation. It will get you killed and stop God from performing His Word. You'll attract and authorize the Devil with fear. God's Kingdom operates in faith, never fear.

It's sort of like accusing the Founding Fathers of being non-Christians because of their involvement with Free Masonry; because people today look at Free Masonry today and think, bad deal here, totally against Jesus, therefore, Founding Fathers were not Christians.
Now this could not be further from the truth (ever take the time to read George Washington's prayer journal or the 1st hand accounts of his speeches to his troops before every engagement?...as well as the writings of the other FFs). Free Masonry came to the US in about mid-1700 and had Jesus at the core of it and it was essentially a brotherhood of Believers. By the late 1790s their numbers had swelled and they found many Jews among them so they changed it to the Great Architect of the Universe, then in the 1810s they spritualized everything and made spiritual symbols for everything and by the early 1820s they had abandoned God altogether and were making some seriously bad actions take place in New York and the Founding Fathers that were still alive at that point said that if this was what Free Masonry was when they were in it they would never have touched it. And Christians, as they realized what it was, all left.
And it is the same with Unitarianism (once an actual denomination of Christianity with Jesus at the center) and many other groups and denominations. Started out with a vision from the founder with Christ at the core and then the Devil tries to infiltrate it and no one stops them and they ruin it and turn it against God and then the Devil tries to get people to believe that the founders weren't real Christians, when the truth is that they were.

So, if fear was good, Jesus would not have told Jairus, "Fear not, but believe only, and she shall be made whole." If it didn't matter if he feared, or if it was good that he feared, Jesus would not have instructed not to fear, and Jesus would have just gone and healed her and brought her back to life anyway. BUT Jesus did say not to fear, because He knew that if Jairus feared it was all over for his daughter.

 

[iLOVE]

I was merely stating that it's good that the scriptures put fear in a person. While God promises eternal life to those who obey Him, He also warns of what will happen if you don't.

Matthew 10
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Here God is making reference to Himself and what He is able to do. Abandon the faith and this can happen to you.

Hebrews 10
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is referencing those who willingly turn away from God.

The next 2 passages indicate that it is possible to fall out of grace with God and that the consequences are not good.

2 Peter 2
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

James 5
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

This passage from Matthew makes it clear that some who believe they are saved are in fact not and never were.

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


These are what I was referring to in my reply to Edward. There are more but I think this enough to get the point across.
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Question: "What does it mean to have the fear of God?"

Answer: For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this: “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.

Proverbs 1:7 declares, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge.” Until we understand who God is and develop a reverential fear of Him, we cannot have true wisdom. True wisdom comes only from understanding who God is and that He is holy, just, and righteous. Deuteronomy 10:12, 20-21 records, “And now, O Israel, what does the LORD your God ask of you but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Fear the LORD your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name. He is your praise; he is your God, who performed for you those great and awesome wonders you saw with your own eyes.” The fear of God is the basis for our walking in His ways, serving Him, and, yes, loving Him.

Some redefine the fear of God for believers to “respecting” Him. While respect is definitely included in the concept of fearing God, there is more to it than that. A biblical fear of God, for the believer, includes understanding how much God hates sin and fearing His judgment on sin—even in the life of a believer. Hebrews 12:5-11 describes God’s discipline of the believer. While it is done in love (Hebrews 12:6), it is still a fearful thing. As children, the fear of discipline from our parents no doubt prevented some evil actions. The same should be true in our relationship with God. We should fear His discipline, and therefore seek to live our lives in such a way that pleases Him.

Believers are not to be scared of God. We have no reason to be scared of Him. We have His promise that nothing can separate us from His love (Romans 8:38-39). We have His promise that He will never leave us or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). Fearing God means having such a reverence for Him that it has a great impact on the way we live our lives. The fear of God is respecting Him, obeying Him, submitting to His discipline, and worshipping Him in awe.


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html#ixzz2uBuDiZox

 

[Gary]

Question: "What does it mean to have the fear of God?"

Answer: For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this: “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.

Proverbs 1:7 declares, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge.” Until we understand who God is and develop a reverential fear of Him, we cannot have true wisdom. True wisdom comes only from understanding who God is and that He is holy, just, and righteous. Deuteronomy 10:12, 20-21 records, “And now, O Israel, what does the LORD your God ask of you but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Fear the LORD your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name. He is your praise; he is your God, who performed for you those great and awesome wonders you saw with your own eyes.” The fear of God is the basis for our walking in His ways, serving Him, and, yes, loving Him.

Some redefine the fear of God for believers to “respecting” Him. While respect is definitely included in the concept of fearing God, there is more to it than that. A biblical fear of God, for the believer, includes understanding how much God hates sin and fearing His judgment on sin—even in the life of a believer. Hebrews 12:5-11 describes God’s discipline of the believer. While it is done in love (Hebrews 12:6), it is still a fearful thing. As children, the fear of discipline from our parents no doubt prevented some evil actions. The same should be true in our relationship with God. We should fear His discipline, and therefore seek to live our lives in such a way that pleases Him.

Believers are not to be scared of God. We have no reason to be scared of Him. We have His promise that nothing can separate us from His love (Romans 8:38-39). We have His promise that He will never leave us or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). Fearing God means having such a reverence for Him that it has a great impact on the way we live our lives. The fear of God is respecting Him, obeying Him, submitting to His discipline, and worshipping Him in awe.


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html#ixzz2uBuDiZox

These are what I was referring to in my reply to Edward. There are more but I think this enough to get the point across.

I never said being scared was the only definition of fear.
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