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John Calvin's Heretical Teaching

I know many are really not interested in finding out about the truth of what The Bible teaches on the love and hate of God. For those who truly are seeking to understand, here is an excellent study from A.W. Pink that breaks down much of the confusion of God loving every single person who ever existed (world).

Objections to God's Sovereignty Answered: Does God Love Everyone?​


In life manner, the "world" in John 3:16 must, in the final analysis refer to the world of God's people. Must, we say, for there is no other alternative solution. It cannot mean the whole human race, for one-half of the race was already in hell when Christ came to earth. It is unfair to insist that it means every human being now living, for every other passage in the New Testament where God's love is mentioned, limits it to His own people -- search and see! The objects of God's love in John 3:16 are precisely the same as the objects of Christ's love in John 13:1: "Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His time was come, that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world. He loved them unto the end." We may admit that our interpretation of John 3:16 is no novel one invented by us, but one almost uniformly given by the Reformers and Puritans, and many others since then.
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electedbyhim said:
Many verse in the Bible say that God does harden hearts.
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If God hardens hearts, He is NOT a God I would care to serve.
And that's all I'll post here.

Think of this:

IF we're TOTALLY depraved as the reformed teach...
why would God need to harden a heart?
Isn't it already as hard as it can be?
How can a man be made MORE EVIL than he already is?

Not believing in free will is the cause of many biblical problematics.
 
brightfame52 said:
Did God harden the hearts of these men ? Josh 11:20


For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the Lord commanded Moses.
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You don't understand Joshua 11:20
and I really don't care to try to make you undestand.
 
electedbyhim said:
Some truths are very hard and difficult for people to accept.

Prayer is always key in these areas and diligent study.

Grace and peace to you.
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Elected, let me assure you....
THE TRUTH is NOT difficult for me to understand.

We have a just God....
His truths are easy to undestand.
 
brightfame52 said:
Sorry but mans heart by nature is hard, stony and God must give him a new one before man can comply with God, being born a baby in the flesh doesnt do any good, that which is flesh is flesh, one must be born again from above. Unfortunately babies aren't born from above.
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You believe in Total Depravity.
It means that man is born totally depraved.

If man's heart is stoney and hard....

WHY does God need to harden it any further?
As in Pharoah's case?

Can a rock become harder than a rock?

As to pharoah, you like that one verse you posted:

Have you read all of Exodus?

God hardens Pharoah's heart:

Exodus 9:12
Exodus 10:1
Exodus 10:20
Exodus10:27
Exodus 11:10


Pharoah hardend his own heart:

Exodus 7:22
Exodus 8:15
Exodus 8:19
Exodus 8:32
Exodus 9:7
Exodus 9:34
 
brightfame52 said:
Pharoah had no choice but to harden his own heart as it was in accordance with God hardening his heart Ex 8:15


But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.
The Lord had said initially He was going to harden pharoah heart Ex 4:21

And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

So whenever it says pharaoh hardened his own heart, the first cause was Gods hardening of his heart as God said.

Now for anyone to say that God doesnt harden hearts in light of this, shows utter contempt for the word of God !
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Once again, reformed theology causes conflict within the word of God.

Romans 1:24
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
 
GodsGrace said:
Think of this:

IF we're TOTALLY depraved as the reformed teach...
why would God need to harden a heart?
Isn't it already as hard as it can be?
How can a man be made MORE EVIL than he already is?

Not believing in free will is the cause of many biblical problematics.
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Come on ... How many times have we explained and defined what TOTAL DEPRAVITY means and what it DOES NOT mean ... yet people still insist on mis-defining "Total Depravity" [the tainting of every part of the human being - mind, body and soul] as "Utter Depravity" [complete evil - a sociopath - incapable of any good at all].

The REFORMED claim that all mankind is TOTALLY DEPRAVED:
  • our MIND is tainted by sin so that our thoughts are not perfect and do not naturally lead us towards God, but away from God and into sin.
  • our BODY is tainted by sin so that our FLESH is not perfect and is both subject to weakness (illness) and drawn to sin.
  • our SOUL/SPIRIT is tainted by sin so that our INNERMOST BEING is not perfect and is our union with our Creator, our purpose to serve Him and our fellowship with him are irreparably broken [unless God repairs it].
The REFORMED do not now and have never claimed that all mankind is UTTERLY DEPRAVED:
  • Everyone is capable of some "good" (by human standards) - even Hitler loved his mother.
  • Everyone is capable of greater evil than they presently possess.
  • God restrains the evil that he will permit (Satan vs Job; Brothers vs Joseph; Romans 1:18-31).
 
GodsGrace said:
God will judge everyone BF.
Even YOU!
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Technically, I think that both YOU and HE are both wrong on that "judgement" point ...

John 3:18 [NASB] ​
"The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."​

What does this verse mean?
Is Jesus offering an EMPTY PROMISE?

Or as Paul put it ...

Romans 8:1-8 [NASB] ​
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God [did:] sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and [as an offering] for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are in accord with the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able [to do so,] and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.​
 
GodsGrace said:
Once again, reformed theology causes conflict within the word of God.

Romans 1:24
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
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See ya the Judgement. What I see is that you have disregarded scripture that shows you your error in saying God doesnt harden peoples heart.
 
atpollard said:
Technically, I think that both YOU and HE are both wrong on that "judgement" point ...

John 3:18 [NASB] ​
"The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."​

What does this verse mean?
Is Jesus offering an EMPTY PROMISE?

Or as Paul put it ...

Romans 8:1-8 [NASB] ​
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God [did:] sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and [as an offering] for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are in accord with the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able [to do so,] and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.​
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John 3:18 is clear that sinners can bel
brightfame52 said:
So have you studied that yet ?
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lets see how you TWIST this one!
 
brightfame52 said:
You have twisted it, have you studied it ? God has never hated, abhorred His Elect chosen in Christ, He has Loved them with an everlasting Love, before the world began. You have posted out of ignorance friend.
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WOW, is it VERY CLEAR in Psalm 106:40, that "GOD DETESTS His own inheritance", the ELECT in the Old Testament!

The Hebrew word used here for DETEST, "way·ṯā·‘êḇ", is much stronger than what is used in Malachi 1:3, "śā·nê·ṯî" (hate), for Esau!

These are FACTS! but your "theology" cannot allow you to accept this.
 
SolaScriptura said:
WOW, is it VERY CLEAR in Psalm 106:40, that "GOD DETESTS His own inheritance", the ELECT in the Old Testament!

The Hebrew word used here for DETEST, "way·ṯā·‘êḇ", is much stronger than what is used in Malachi 1:3, "śā·nê·ṯî" (hate), for Esau!

These are FACTS! but your "theology" cannot allow you to accept this.
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More handling the word deceitfully, Have you studied it ?
 
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