judgement seat of Christ

[gr8grace3]

And I ditto billyblake on this. The structure of your other post did not include this information, causing it to appear to be a Universaesslism post. Handling the Gospel of the Messiah is an awesome responsibility and must always be handled with caution and forethought.

May God bless.

Bill............from the post you first responded to:

Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Matt 7~~22“Many will say to Me on that day(judgement day), ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

How does this appear to be universalism?

 

[ezra]

Amen brother. As I see it, the key to this is that we're judged while in these bodies. The time is come to me means at that very time of their spiritual walk. As to our spiritual walk we qualify as being associated with one of the seven parts of the Church described in Revelation Chapters Two & Three.

Especially noticeable to me as a warning is that to Ephesus in Rev 2:5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Now just what would a candlestick being removed from its original setting be? Rev 1:20 . . . the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Last for the time being is a type shown in the Old Testament concerning the Breastplate of Judgment.
God’s judgment has been shown as we see the tribes by birth placed on Aaron’s shoulders in Ex 28:8-10, and then the order on the Breastplate of Judgment according to Ex 28:29.
Judgment doesn't always have to do with annihilation or chastisement; it can be as simple as obtaining God's best. God judges the churches in much the same manner in Revelation Chapters 2 and 3. Jesus finds fault with some and commends others. On the Breastplate of Judgment we see the ones judged to obtain that more prominent place.

I believe our reward in heaven will be according to our present walk with the Lord also.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

its all good you take a different approach at scriptures than me.. (that not bad ) i bring it down to a different level of understanding you go deep sea diving . one thing about it judgment is coming Christ will return as judge . all hell on earth will break lose . if the righteous be scarcely saved where shall the ungodly and the "sinner" appear?

 

[ezra]

Bill............from the post you first responded to:

Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Matt 7~~22“Many will say to Me on that day(judgement day), ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

How does this appear to be universalism?

its not necessarily universalism per say ,but where the issue lies is LAWLESSNESS and how you use it sin is lawlessness 1 john 3 4 Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him. { there is the problem) how you define lawlessness

 

[gr8grace3]

its not necessarily universalism per say ,but where the issue lies is LAWLESSNESS and how you use it sin is lawlessness 1 john 3 4 Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him. { there is the problem) how you define lawlessness

Ezra. Look close at the verse I used. They were doing 'good' deeds in His name.

And the Lord Jesus Christ said," you who practice lawlessness."

HE defined "lawlessness" is this verse. Not me.

Any deeds or works from the flesh is lawlessness......our sin or our own good.

Matt 7~~22“Many will say to Me on that day(judgement day), ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

 

[ezra]

Ezra. Look close at the verse I used. They were doing 'good' deeds in His name.

And the Lord Jesus Christ said," you who practice lawlessness."

HE defined "lawlessness" is this verse. Not me.

Any deeds or works from the flesh is lawlessness......our sin or our own good.

Matt 7~~22“Many will say to Me on that day(judgement day), ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

your translation reads practice lawlessness others read workers of iniquity .sin. your position is nobody will be judged for sin.. that is your words i fully understand Matthew 7

 

[gr8grace3]

your position is nobody will be judged for sin

Of course it is. And I showed you the Great white throne judgement is the judgement of deeds/works/ergon.

On the other hand, no one has shown me a verse that says Jesus Christ did not die for all sin and some will be judged according to their sins.

And you may not fully understand the verses of Matt 7 that I provided. Jesus Christ does not mention their sins. He mentions the human good that they relied on.......and He said, "I never knew you."

 

[billybalke]

Of course it is. And I showed you the Great white throne judgement is the judgement of deeds/works/ergon.

On the other hand, no one has shown me a verse that says Jesus Christ did not die for all sin and some will be judged according to their sins.

And you may not fully understand the verses of Matt 7 that I provided. Jesus Christ does not mention their sins. He mentions the human good that they relied on.......and He said, "I never knew you."

Of course Jesus died for the sins of all, past, present and future. However the scripture clearly teaches that all will be before the judgment seat of Christ and "all", and "everyone" will be there, II Cor.5:10.

To be deep in scripture is to cease being Catholic, Protestant, Jew and Calvinist.

 

[ezra]

Of course it is. And I showed you the Great white throne judgement is the judgement of deeds/works/ergon.

On the other hand, no one has shown me a verse that says Jesus Christ did not die for all sin and some will be judged according to their sins.

And you may not fully understand the verses of Matt 7 that I provided. Jesus Christ does not mention their sins. He mentions the human good that they relied on.......and He said, "I never knew you."

james to him who knows to do good and dont is sin ...
1 John 5:17American Standard Version (ASV)
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. { to be declared righteous one has to be justified /Born again if your not saved your in sin }
1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear? no body denies Christ died for the sins of the world... your point your trying to make points back to universal salvation which is not Bible . your taking a scripture and making universal salvation .

the wages of sin is DEATH the gif of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus. a lost person who dies a lost person is a sinner a sinner will be judged as a sinner

 

[ezra]

II Cor.5:10.

is for the saved judgement of works

 

[gr8grace3]

Of course Jesus died for the sins of all, past, present and future. However the scripture clearly teaches that all will be before the judgment seat of Christ and "all", and "everyone" will be there, II Cor.5:10.

To be deep in scripture is to cease being Catholic, Protestant, Jew and Calvinist.

2 Cor 5:10 is in the context of believers and those who are saved. "We", as in all believers will be evaluated at the Bema seat of Christ. Unbelievers have no place at the evaluation of believers.

Study the difference between the "bema seat" and the "great white throne judgment."

 

[gr8grace3]

james to him who knows to do good and dont is sin

This is not in question.

Matt 7 and the verses I provided are about folks who think they are doing 'good' and are doing it.

 

[ezra]

This is not in question.

Matt 7 and the verses I provided are about folks who think they are doing 'good' and are doing it.

yessssssssssssssssssssssss

 

[th1b.taylor]

gr8grace3,
You have resented the main scriptures proving the Lost will go into the Lake of Fire and others have presented you will the reference to the Bema Seat or the Judgment Seat of the Righteous and I and others have explained what the Bema Seat Judgment is about from the scriptures, Becoming stiff necked and nt reasoning with what scripture teaches is neither godlike nor cool, so why the flip in your demeanor?

 

[billybalke]

2 Cor 5:10 is in the context of believers and those who are saved. "We", as in all believers will be evaluated at the Bema seat of Christ. Unbelievers have no place at the evaluation of believers.

Study the difference between the "bema seat" and the "great white throne judgment."

Then what about vs. 10??

 

[billybalke]

is for the saved judgement of works

It doesn't say that, no mention of "saved" only. You have added to the scripture.

 

[Kidron]

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
1st Corinthians 3
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

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This is actually a very easy question to answer if you have the revelation of 2 simple concepts, related to your salvation....
First of all., what is the "work of God" that you are to do, in the context of your question?
Answer """"To believe on the one He sent, = is to do the work of God."""
Thats the WORK.

And once you understand this, then there is one other Key ingredient to understand so that you are CLEAR about who goes where, after we die.
The other understanding, is that once a person is born again, then GOD has become their FATHER.
He is no longer their JUDGE.
He is a Father to the believer, and a JUDGE regarding the UNBELIEVER.
When you die, you will meet God as your FATHER, if you are born again.
If you are not, you will meet God as your JUDGE.
Now, if you can get that, then you'll easily understand WHY no born again Son of God, is going to go to a White Throne JUDGEMENT.

See it?
Its important that you understand this, thoroughly.

The WTJudgement, is for JUDGEMENT, where a JUDGE is waiting for Christ rejectors.
It is NOT where a Father is waiting for His FAMILY.
Understand?
God is not the JUDGE of a Son, He is a FATHER.
God is the Creator of us all, but He's not the Father of us all.
See it?
So, the fatherless, the Christ rejector, the non-born again, will be JUDGED by a Heavenly JUDGE, under the Law, and be dealt with at the GWThrone
This is not where Sons of God go, (born again), but rather they go to meet the Lord upon their death, "("absent from the body and present with the LORD"} and there you will be evaluated on "what you did in HIS body".
In other words, your discipleship will be evaluated, and rewarded.
This is absolutely going to happen to you, if you are born again.
And all this is based on MOTIVE.
Motive.
Motive.
Jesus will evaluate you at the JSOChrist, and all the good works you did in your life for Him, that were done from a pure motive for HIM, = are NOT "wood, hay, and stubble", and so forth.
A lot of Christians have the idea that doing a lot of good is doing the will of God.
But this is only partly right, as God knows your heart and your intent and your MOTIVE for why you do what you do.
He knows, for example, if you are here on this Forum to give the impression that you are a deep bible person, and you want others to think this about you, or if you are here to learn, to share, and to help.
MOTIVE and EFFORT are everything, regarding how God sees what you do.
When you Meet the Lord at His Judgement Seat, your motives, will be exposed and dealt with, accordingly.

I'll give you some really good advice.
Begin today to live your life, understanding that you are going to meet Jesus The Lord, and are accountable for what you have done for Him, after He saved you.
He is going to evaluate you.
You are going to face this, and you should live your life, knowing this and preparing.
Thats a fact.
So, are you yet?
Time to start.
So, once there, if your motive is wrong, then the good you did, is no good at all.
So, the Jud Seat of Christ, is where your MOTIVE for all the works you did for Him, will be evaluated, and rewarded.
The "FIRE" that is talked about that " burns up the wood, hay, and stubble", is the discernment of Christ, as He evaluates your Inner MOTIVE for all you did for Him, "in His body", all your life after you were saved
See it?
So, start today thinking about the fact that its is infinitely and supremely important that you live your life knowing you are going to meet this situation with the Lord, and your Christianity will become what it was designed to be, if you are not quite there yet.
You know better then me, what you are, .... and you can believe that God knows exactly all about the REAL YOU.
He knows what you are thinking as you read what im telling you.
He knows what you are going to write in response, should you decide.
You are an OPEN BOOK to God.
He knows EVERY PAGE of the REAL YOU.

So.... you will never be judged at the GWThrone, as this is only regarding the LOST, the UNBELEVERS, = the CHRIST REJECTORS who meet God as their JUDGE, and not as their Father.
THis is not your case, if you are born again, as God is "abba", He is FATHER, and not your judge.
All the judgment held against you, for your life of sin, was delivered as a "cup" to the one who hung on a cross, who paid for them all so that you dont have to, after you die.
THAT IS SALVATION.
THAT IS REDEMPTION.
THATS WHY GOD CAME HERE.
TO SOLVE THIS FOR YOU.
= So, THERE is YOUR ONLY eternal judgment, it was the CUP that poured out on Christ, the very wrath of God, the judgement of, and against, and for all your sin, laid on Sinless Jesus on the CROSS.... and there it remains for ETERNITY.
He is your propitiation, and your redemption from the ETERNAL judgment due you, that is going to be given to the Christ Rejectors, once they hit the Great White Throne Judgment.
That is NOT you, if you are born again.
God does not judge a second time ( YOU ) for what Christ has ALREADY paid for on a Cross.




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[th1b.taylor]

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This is actually a very easy question to answer if you have the revelation of 2 simple concepts, related to your salvation....
First of all., what is the "work of God" that you are to do, in the context of your question?
Answer """"To believe on the one He sent, = is to do the work of God."""
Thats the WORK.

And once you understand this, then there is one other Key ingredient to understand so that you are CLEAR about who goes where, after we die.
The other understanding, is that once a person is born again, then GOD has become their FATHER.
He is no longer their JUDGE.
He is a Father to the believer, and a JUDGE regarding the UNBELIEVER.
When you die, you will meet God as your FATHER, if you are born again.
If you are not, you will meet God as your JUDGE.
Now, if you can get that, then you'll easily understand WHY no born again Son of God, is going to go to a White Throne JUDGEMENT.

See it?
Its important that you understand this, thoroughly.

The WTJudgement, is for JUDGEMENT, where a JUDGE is waiting for Christ rejectors.
It is NOT where a Father is waiting for His FAMILY.
Understand?
God is not the JUDGE of a Son, He is a FATHER.
God is the Creator of us all, but He's not the Father of us all.
See it?
So, the fatherless, the Christ rejector, the non-born again, will be JUDGED by a Heavenly JUDGE, under the Law, and be dealt with at the GWThrone
This is not where Sons of God go, (born again), but rather they go to meet the Lord upon their death, "("absent from the body and present with the LORD"} and there you will be evaluated on "what you did in HIS body".
In other words, your discipleship will be evaluated, and rewarded.
This is absolutely going to happen to you, if you are born again.
And all this is based on MOTIVE.
Motive.
Motive.
Jesus will evaluate you at the JSOChrist, and all the good works you did in your life for Him, that were done from a pure motive for HIM, = are NOT "wood, hay, and stubble", and so forth.
A lot of Christians have the idea that doing a lot of good is doing the will of God.
But this is only partly right, as God knows your heart and your intent and your MOTIVE for why you do what you do.
He knows, for example, if you are here on this Forum to give the impression that you are a deep bible person, and you want others to think this about you, or if you are here to learn, to share, and to help.
MOTIVE and EFFORT are everything, regarding how God sees what you do.
When you Meet the Lord at His Judgement Seat, your motives, will be exposed and dealt with, accordingly.

I'll give you some really good advice.
Begin today to live your life, understanding that you are going to meet Jesus The Lord, and are accountable for what you have done for Him, after He saved you.
He is going to evaluate you.
You are going to face this, and you should live your life, knowing this and preparing.
Thats a fact.
So, are you yet?
Time to start.
So, once there, if your motive is wrong, then the good you did, is no good at all.
So, the Jud Seat of Christ, is where your MOTIVE for all the works you did for Him, will be evaluated, and rewarded.
The "FIRE" that is talked about that " burns up the wood, hay, and stubble", is the discernment of Christ, as He evaluates your Inner MOTIVE for all you did for Him, "in His body", all your life after you were saved
See it?
So, start today thinking about the fact that its is infinitely and supremely important that you live your life knowing you are going to meet this situation with the Lord, and your Christianity will become what it was designed to be, if you are not quite there yet.
You know better then me, what you are, .... and you can believe that God knows exactly all about the REAL YOU.
He knows what you are thinking as you read what im telling you.
He knows what you are going to write in response, should you decide.
You are an OPEN BOOK to God.
He knows EVERY PAGE of the REAL YOU.

So.... you will never be judged at the GWThrone, as this is only regarding the LOST, the UNBELEVERS, = the CHRIST REJECTORS who meet God as their JUDGE, and not as their Father.
THis is not your case, if you are born again, as God is "abba", He is FATHER, and not your judge.
All the judgment held against you, for your life of sin, was delivered as a "cup" to the one who hung on a cross, who paid for them all so that you dont have to, after you die.
THAT IS SALVATION.
THAT IS REDEMPTION.
THATS WHY GOD CAME HERE.
TO SOLVE THIS FOR YOU.
= So, THERE is YOUR ONLY eternal judgment, it was the CUP that poured out on Christ, the very wrath of God, the judgement of, and against, and for all your sin, laid on Sinless Jesus on the CROSS.... and there it remains for ETERNITY.
He is your propitiation, and your redemption from the ETERNAL judgment due you, that is going to be given to the Christ Rejectors, once they hit the Great White Throne Judgment.
That is NOT you, if you are born again.
God does not judge a second time ( YOU ) for what Christ has ALREADY paid for on a Cross.




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AMEN!

 

[ezra]

See it?
Its important that you understand this, thoroughly.

yup sure do understand it ..that why i posted it . true works of God can stand the fire test/ fiery trials Gold silver precious stone... wood hay stubble things that are not of God will burn up poof proved to be self

 

[ezra]

Then what about vs. 10??

what about it this is the reward judgment for the saved,,,, its not hard to understand unless you have something to show different .if so feel fre to post scripture

 

[billybalke]

-

This is actually a very easy question to answer if you have the revelation of 2 simple concepts, related to your salvation....
First of all., what is the "work of God" that you are to do, in the context of your question?
Answer """"To believe on the one He sent, = is to do the work of God."""
Thats the WORK.

And once you understand this, then there is one other Key ingredient to understand so that you are CLEAR about who goes where, after we die.
The other understanding, is that once a person is born again, then GOD has become their FATHER.
He is no longer their JUDGE.
He is a Father to the believer, and a JUDGE regarding the UNBELIEVER.
When you die, you will meet God as your FATHER, if you are born again.
If you are not, you will meet God as your JUDGE.
Now, if you can get that, then you'll easily understand WHY no born again Son of God, is going to go to a White Throne JUDGEMENT.

See it?
Its important that you understand this, thoroughly.

The WTJudgement, is for JUDGEMENT, where a JUDGE is waiting for Christ rejectors.
It is NOT where a Father is waiting for His FAMILY.
Understand?
God is not the JUDGE of a Son, He is a FATHER.
God is the Creator of us all, but He's not the Father of us all.
See it?
So, the fatherless, the Christ rejector, the non-born again, will be JUDGED by a Heavenly JUDGE, under the Law, and be dealt with at the GWThrone
This is not where Sons of God go, (born again), but rather they go to meet the Lord upon their death, "("absent from the body and present with the LORD"} and there you will be evaluated on "what you did in HIS body".
In other words, your discipleship will be evaluated, and rewarded.
This is absolutely going to happen to you, if you are born again.
And all this is based on MOTIVE.
Motive.
Motive.
Jesus will evaluate you at the JSOChrist, and all the good works you did in your life for Him, that were done from a pure motive for HIM, = are NOT "wood, hay, and stubble", and so forth.
A lot of Christians have the idea that doing a lot of good is doing the will of God.
But this is only partly right, as God knows your heart and your intent and your MOTIVE for why you do what you do.
He knows, for example, if you are here on this Forum to give the impression that you are a deep bible person, and you want others to think this about you, or if you are here to learn, to share, and to help.
MOTIVE and EFFORT are everything, regarding how God sees what you do.
When you Meet the Lord at His Judgement Seat, your motives, will be exposed and dealt with, accordingly.

I'll give you some really good advice.
Begin today to live your life, understanding that you are going to meet Jesus The Lord, and are accountable for what you have done for Him, after He saved you.
He is going to evaluate you.
You are going to face this, and you should live your life, knowing this and preparing.
Thats a fact.
So, are you yet?
Time to start.
So, once there, if your motive is wrong, then the good you did, is no good at all.
So, the Jud Seat of Christ, is where your MOTIVE for all the works you did for Him, will be evaluated, and rewarded.
The "FIRE" that is talked about that " burns up the wood, hay, and stubble", is the discernment of Christ, as He evaluates your Inner MOTIVE for all you did for Him, "in His body", all your life after you were saved
See it?
So, start today thinking about the fact that its is infinitely and supremely important that you live your life knowing you are going to meet this situation with the Lord, and your Christianity will become what it was designed to be, if you are not quite there yet.
You know better then me, what you are, .... and you can believe that God knows exactly all about the REAL YOU.
He knows what you are thinking as you read what im telling you.
He knows what you are going to write in response, should you decide.
You are an OPEN BOOK to God.
He knows EVERY PAGE of the REAL YOU.

So.... you will never be judged at the GWThrone, as this is only regarding the LOST, the UNBELEVERS, = the CHRIST REJECTORS who meet God as their JUDGE, and not as their Father.
THis is not your case, if you are born again, as God is "abba", He is FATHER, and not your judge.
All the judgment held against you, for your life of sin, was delivered as a "cup" to the one who hung on a cross, who paid for them all so that you dont have to, after you die.
THAT IS SALVATION.
THAT IS REDEMPTION.
THATS WHY GOD CAME HERE.
TO SOLVE THIS FOR YOU.
= So, THERE is YOUR ONLY eternal judgment, it was the CUP that poured out on Christ, the very wrath of God, the judgement of, and against, and for all your sin, laid on Sinless Jesus on the CROSS.... and there it remains for ETERNITY.
He is your propitiation, and your redemption from the ETERNAL judgment due you, that is going to be given to the Christ Rejectors, once they hit the Great White Throne Judgment.
That is NOT you, if you are born again.
God does not judge a second time ( YOU ) for what Christ has ALREADY paid for on a Cross.

Lets settle some of the above dust. What must one do to stand before God as your Father and not be judged?



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