judging people

[bhayes]

I am just curious as to what some people have to say about this. Sometimes my mind just automatically judges someone without me thinking about it. This is wrong, I know but I don't do it purposely. It's getting more to the fact now where sometimes I think I am better than everybody or more "righteous" because I don't take part in sin and everyone at university does. This is wrong of course but I cant help it. I want to be the guy that can speak to everyone and be friends with
EVERYBODY, but my behavior is the exact opposite. How can I change?

 

[Knotical]

You first have to realize where this is coming from, the root of this is pride. Once you realize that you are no better than anyone else, and everyone deserves one thing you start seeing things differently. That being said, it is important to note that there are appropriate times to judge, but that has to do with first understanding your own sin before pointing out someone else's.

 

[Hammer]

I am just curious as to what some people have to say about this. Sometimes my mind just automatically judges someone without me thinking about it. This is wrong, I know but I don't do it purposely. It's getting more to the fact now where sometimes I think I am better than everybody or more "righteous" because I don't take part in sin and everyone at university does. This is wrong of course but I cant help it. I want to be the guy that can speak to everyone and be friends with
EVERYBODY, but my behavior is the exact opposite. How can I change?

You're doing nothing wrong. So, stop listening to those who tell you that you're not suppose to feel like you're a better person than someone who is not a good person. Jesus accused the Pharisees of being self-righteous hypocrites, not because they thought they were better than others, but because they were following their own rules, not God's rules.

Modern Christians have gotten into an unbiblical attitude about not judging because they've been intimidated with accusations of bigotry. And, some professed Christians are as corrupt as those they might judge.

A lot of Christians quote this verse, Matthew 7:7 “1 Do not judge so that you will not be judged." But, the rest of the passage is: "2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

It's totally expected for you to judge. Jesus is just warning about being a hypocrite when you judge.

Listen to Jesus' condemning question, Luke 12:57 “And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?"

1cor5:3 For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. Look at that, Paul is doing some long-distance judging!

Also, it's not even judgement when you see someone sinning and you disapprove. God had called certain things sin. It's not for you to disagree with God on the grounds that you refuse to judge. 1cor6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. When you see one of these people, in an unrepentant state, you are better than them. You put your eyes on doing what is right, and repent when you slip. That's why the Kingdom of God is yours, not theirs. Don't feel guilty about recognize reality.

 

[Grazer]

I am just curious as to what some people have to say about this. Sometimes my mind just automatically judges someone without me thinking about it. This is wrong, I know but I don't do it purposely. It's getting more to the fact now where sometimes I think I am better than everybody or more "righteous" because I don't take part in sin and everyone at university does. This is wrong of course but I cant help it. I want to be the guy that can speak to everyone and be friends with
EVERYBODY, but my behavior is the exact opposite. How can I change?

There are things you won't be able to join in as it is a sin. Using your judgment to discern right from wrong based on Gods word is unavoidable, you need to use your judgment. But then going round saying "you're a sinner, I'm better than you" is probably not what Jesus had in mind. Judge what is right and wrong then help show others why its wrong but always do so with gentleness and respect. It's not an easy thing to do admittedly but I don't believe we have been appointed judge, I think were more lawyers to keep the analogy.

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[duari91]

There are things you won't be able to join in as it is a sin. Using your judgment to discern right from wrong based on Gods word is unavoidable, you need to use your judgment. But then going round saying "you're a sinner, I'm better than you" is probably not what Jesus had in mind. Judge what is right and wrong then help show others why its wrong but always do so with gentleness and respect. It's not an easy thing to do admittedly but I don't believe we have been appointed judge, I think were more lawyers to keep the analogy.

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I think Grazer summed up a lot very well.

@Hammer
I think you may be misunderstanding what Jesus did, and what we are supposed to do. Jesus was perfect, he had no flaws, no sin, no splinter. He is the only human being who is justified in judging. The ONLY one. Remember what Jesus said to the men accusing the adulterous? "He among you who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."

Will you be the one who casts the stone? Or will you be the one to let GOD, the only true, righteous, perfect being to cast the stone to whom are imperfect?

Judging is wrong, and you know it. Don't use the bible to fit such a preposterous idea. If all sin is the same, all people are equally imperfect. If all are imperfect, no one is better than another. If no one is better than another, then it is not your place to judge another on their imperfectness. I don't want to be judged according to whom I judge. So I do my best not to judge at all.

 

[ezra]

There are things you won't be able to join in as it is a sin. Using your judgment to discern right from wrong based on Gods word is unavoidable, you need to use your judgment. But then going round saying "you're a sinner, I'm better than you" is probably not what Jesus had in mind. Judge what is right and wrong then help show others why its wrong but always do so with gentleness and respect. It's not an easy thing to do admittedly but I don't believe we have been appointed judge, I think were more lawyers to keep the analogy.

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i agree Christ is the judge on saved or lost grazer used a key word
(discern) --{Using your judgment to discern right from wrong based on Gods word is unavoidable, you need to use your judgment} follow that advice if a red flag comes up. that is discernment ..get away from it:yes

 

[Hammer]

I think you may be misunderstanding what Jesus did, and what we are supposed to do. Jesus was perfect, he had no flaws, no sin, no splinter. He is the only human being who is justified in judging. The ONLY one. Remember what Jesus said to the men accusing the adulterous? "He among you who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."

"Do not judge" is a ridiculous, ludicrous, and unbibiblical position of modern, intimidated, fearful, and defeated Christians. Do you say that we should do away with the court system? No jails or fines? Parents shouldn't punish their children? What complete hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is something Jesus did have a problem with!

Jesus didn't say "thou shalt not judge." Jesus said do not judge until you can judge without being a hypocrite. That's very clear and it's very irresponsible of anyone to take "do not judge" out of context. And, Jesus didn't even say that it would be God who would be judging us for hypocritical judging. It's our fellow man who judges us for hypocritical judging.


Read that passage, John 8:6, do you see the word TRAP? If God didn't want us judging, this wouldn't be a trap.

Jesus got out of the trap by turning around the situation. Their failure to stone the woman had nothing to do with them not being without sin. Do you think it could ever get you out of trouble in court to remind the judge that he's not without sin? It worked here because the Jews had no intention of stoning the woman in the first place, because that's a capital offense. They were just wanting Jesus to condemn himself, by taking a side against either God's law or Roman law.

Judging is wrong, and you know it. Don't use the bible to fit such a preposterous idea. If all sin is the same, all people are equally imperfect. If all are imperfect, no one is better than another. If no one is better than another, then it is not your place to judge another on their imperfectness. I don't want to be judged according to whom I judge. So I do my best not to judge at all.

Judging is right, when done righteously. All sins are not the same (talk about preposterous ideas). But, I don't think being a Christian is an obligation to think I'm a bad person. On the contrary, I am a good person, and in Christ, I am without sin. I go to church to worship God.

 

[Deborah13]

There are things you won't be able to join in as it is a sin. Using your judgment to discern right from wrong based on Gods word is unavoidable, you need to use your judgment. But then going round saying "you're a sinner, I'm better than you" is probably not what Jesus had in mind. Judge what is right and wrong then help show others why its wrong but always do so with gentleness and respect. It's not an easy thing to do admittedly but I don't believe we have been appointed judge, I think were more lawyers to keep the analogy.

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Agreed, like the analogy.
Attorney = Advocate
1 John 2:1

King James Version (KJV)

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

[Deborah13]

"Do not judge" is a ridiculous, ludicrous, and unbibiblical position of modern, intimidated, fearful, and defeated Christians. Do you say that we should do away with the court system? No jails or fines? Parents shouldn't punish their children? What complete hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is something Jesus did have a problem with!

Jesus didn't say "thou shalt not judge." Jesus said do not judge until you can judge without being a hypocrite. That's very clear and it's very irresponsible of anyone to take "do not judge" out of context. And, Jesus didn't even say that it would be God who would be judging us for hypocritical judging. It's our fellow man who judges us for hypocritical judging.

Read that passage, John 8:6, do you see the word TRAP? Do you understand what a TRAP is? If God didn't want us judging, this wouldn't be a trap.

Jesus got out of the trap by turning around the situation. Their failure to stone the woman had nothing to do with them not being without sin. Do you think it could ever get you out of trouble in court to remind the judge that he's not without sin? It worked here because the Jews had no intention of stoning the woman in the first place, because that's a capital offense. They were just wanting Jesus to condemn himself, by taking a side against either God's law or Roman law.




Judging is right, when done righteously. All sins are not the same (talk about preposterous ideas). If you want to think you're in the same moral class as Adolph Hitler, you go right ahead. You go to church for deistic therapy. But, I don't think being a Christian is an obligation to think I'm a bad person. On the contrary, I am a good person, and in Christ, I am without sin. I go to church to worship God.

What don't you understand? We are not to judge another personl. We should however judge actions and be careful we don't do the same.
God's word says that all sin is the same.

James 2:10
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[Deborah13]

"Do not judge" is a ridiculous, ludicrous, and unbibiblical position of modern, intimidated, fearful, and defeated Christians. Do you say that we should do away with the court system? No jails or fines? Parents shouldn't punish their children? What complete hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is something Jesus did have a problem with!

Jesus didn't say "thou shalt not judge." Jesus said do not judge until you can judge without being a hypocrite. That's very clear and it's very irresponsible of anyone to take "do not judge" out of context. And, Jesus didn't even say that it would be God who would be judging us for hypocritical judging. It's our fellow man who judges us for hypocritical judging.

Read that passage, John 8:6, do you see the word TRAP? Do you understand what a TRAP is? If God didn't want us judging, this wouldn't be a trap.

Jesus got out of the trap by turning around the situation. Their failure to stone the woman had nothing to do with them not being without sin. Do you think it could ever get you out of trouble in court to remind the judge that he's not without sin? It worked here because the Jews had no intention of stoning the woman in the first place, because that's a capital offense. They were just wanting Jesus to condemn himself, by taking a side against either God's law or Roman law.




Judging is right, when done righteously. All sins are not the same (talk about preposterous ideas). If you want to think you're in the same moral class as Adolph Hitler, you go right ahead. You go to church for deistic therapy. But, I don't think being a Christian is an obligation to think I'm a bad person. On the contrary, I am a good person, and in Christ, I am without sin. I go to church to worship God.

John 8:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not

Yes, they were trying to trap Him as they did many times. However, this does not take away His words to them as to why they didn't have the right to stone her.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

However, the main point of this scripture is what we see He did not even so much what He said. With His finger He wrote on the ground. They were over their heads and they knew it. I have seen pictures of the place were they were. The ground is not dusting or loose it is as hard as stone. When the finger of God writes and He says that you are not without sin so you cannot judge then most people would do their best to not judge!! Only the foolhardy would continue intentionally. Even the self-righteous scribes and Pharisees obeyed.

 

[Hammer]

We are not to judge another personl. We should however judge actions and be careful we don't do the same.

What's the difference? How can you call me a liar if you have not judged me personally?

1Cor5:3 For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.

How has the Apostle Paul not judged anyone personally if he straight out says he has judged someone?

 

[Deborah13]

What's the difference? How can you call me a liar if you have not judged me personally?

1Cor5:3 For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.

How has the Apostle Paul not judged anyone personally if he straight out says he has judged someone?

1 Corinthians 5:1-4

New Living Translation (NLT)

Paul Condemns Spiritual Pride

5 I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do. I am told that a man in your church is living in sin with his stepmother.[a] 2 You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship.
3 Even though I am not with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit.[b] And as though I were there, I have already passed judgment on this man 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus. You must call a meeting of the church.[c] I will be present with you in spirit, and so will the power of our Lord Jesus.

What Paul was teaching in 1 Corinth. as we read on is that we cannot allow sin in the church. It corrupts others in the church and is a bad witness. It's really not about judging the person themselves for if the same person was not guilty of this sin we would see them differently. So I see it as judging their actions, the sin.
Should we pray that this person can leave this sin behind?

Do I think that I have the same authority that Paul did. Nope. I was not caught up into the third heaven and taught by the Lord directly. In fact I think Paul was probably the most enlightened of all the apostles. But that's another subject.

Luke 6:37

New Living Translation (NLT)

Do Not Judge Others

37 “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven.

These are Jesus' words. Paul was speaking to one specific problem.
Jesus also said in this same chapter in the verses above that if some steals from you don't try to get it back. Hmmm

 

[evenifigoalone]

Hey everyone, just a little reminder:
2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

It is a violation to misquote or misrepresent another member.




Please keep this on topic and not about each other. Thanks.

 

[reba]

The words of our Lord:

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

[Hammer]

Paul condemns the Corinthian church for failing to judge the sinner among them. And, I should stand condemned for failing to judge those who preach "do not judge."

1 Corinthians 5:1-4

New Living Translation (NLT)

Paul Condemns Spiritual Pride

5 I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do. I am told that a man in your church is living in sin with his stepmother.[a] 2 You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship.
3 Even though I am not with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit.[b] And as though I were there, I have already passed judgment on this man 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus. You must call a meeting of the church.[c] I will be present with you in spirit, and so will the power of our Lord Jesus.

What Paul was teaching in 1 Corinth. as we read on is that we cannot allow sin in the church. It corrupts others in the church and is a bad witness. It's really not about judging the person themselves for if the same person was not guilty of this sin we would see them differently. So I see it as judging their actions, the sin.
Should we pray that this person can leave this sin behind?

Do I think that I have the same authority that Paul did. Nope. I was not caught up into the third heaven and taught by the Lord directly. In fact I think Paul was probably the most enlightened of all the apostles. But that's another subject.

Luke 6:37

New Living Translation (NLT)

Do Not Judge Others

37 “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven.

These are Jesus' words. Paul was speaking to one specific problem.
Jesus also said in this same chapter in the verses above that if some steals from you don't try to get it back. Hmmm

 

[bhayes]

didn't expect that response to the topic but thanks for everyone's input. I just wanted to clarify that when I used the term "judging" I meant more of stereotyping just based on first impressions and without actually knowing the person. This I know is wrong and is caused probably by pride as one of the responses suggested. Everyone does it however almost automatically without thinking about it. How can this change?

 

[Hammer]

didn't expect that response to the topic but thanks for everyone's input. I just wanted to clarify that when I used the term "judging" I meant more of stereotyping just based on first impressions and without actually knowing the person. This I know is wrong and is caused probably by pride as one of the responses suggested. Everyone does it however almost automatically without thinking about it. How can this change?

Stereotyping isn't wrong, either. And, it is a necessary part of life. You have limited knowledge so you have to fill in blanks with assumptions until you learn otherwise. For example, if you want to hire someone for a job, you reasonably assume that the better dressed person is going to be more serious about the job.

There are times, depending on your opportunities, when you need to overcome stereotypes. With the employer example, he'd try to look at other information and not hire on dress alone. But, if all you have is a first impression, you have to go on that until you get more information. Don't let someone make you feel guilty for being reasonable.

 

[Mountain Man]

We used to live in a society where your actions were judged to be right or wrong, beneficial or harmful to society...and even...YIKES!!! acceptable to God...we did away with all of that and "judge not" has been the order of the day in society and the church for several decades now....aint it grand so far.

 

[Dan1966]

Modern Christians have gotten into an unbiblical attitude about not judging because they've been intimidated with accusations of bigotry. And, some professed Christians are as corrupt as those they might judge.

When you point our a persons wrongs by scripture and scripture alone, it's not you who judges...it is God who has made the law and has already judged. If a person gets offended, never change your service to God to make them happy just do as the Lord directed...dust off your feet and leave them to their own fate.

 

[yudeniaregenboog]

I will tell you this. If you have the holy spirit of the lord. You will not judge other people, so that you will not be JUDGE by others. You see, we don't always know whats behind a person. So judging about what we see or hear our father doesn't like that. Even bad thoughts about someone or judging someone in your head is judging. If you have the holy spirit in you, you can't think about such things.
Because the holy spirit does not do that (: Ofcourse you are doing good not to sin! Your heavenly father is very proud of that.
You know what the holy spirit has ? Selfcontrol. I think you should ask God (with faith) to have self control. You will see that your behaviour will change in a positive way.

Good luck and may god bless you.