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Just some Gospel Truth! (for the 7th Day Sabbath)

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Rev. 1

[10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Matt.12

[8] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mark.16

[1] And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
[2] And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
[3] And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
[4] And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
[5] And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
[6] And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.


Matt. 5

[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matt. 5

[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Mark 2

[27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Luke 23:54-56

[54] And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
[55] And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
[56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.


Acts.17:2 ‘And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,’

Acts 18

[4] And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Heb. 4:9-10

[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Heb. 4

[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Prov. 28:9

[9] He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Matt. 7

[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Luke 14
[33] So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

2 Cor. 12:9-10

[9] And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
[10] Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


Phil. 4
[13] I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Rev. 22

[11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Isa. 66

[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


And on the other six days??? Isa 65
[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.



--Elijah
 
You have cut and pasted a lot of scripture and maybe I missed it but I am wondering what is the point you are trying to make or the topic you wish to discuss?
 
I think the point by ALL the Bible text posted (which are of only a few) POINT out that the Seventh Day of the week [is] & [was] the Day that
[God Blessed & Set Aside] for the Lords day.

And personally,(?) it truly is quite understandable how a non/Sabbath keeper does have 'some' problem with the verses?

--Elijah
 
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I am a non-literal Sabbath keeper (I keep the real Sabbath that the literal Sabbath only illustrated) and I do not find any problem with the 7th day being the Sabbath day.

What I and others find a problem with is your doctrine that saddles the church with the requirement to observe the 7th day as Moses commanded, or be condemned to hell, when other scripture makes it clear the requirements for the 4th Commandment, the Sabbath Commandment, along with all the other Commandments are fulfilled when we 'love our neighbor as ourself'.

Sorry, but your doctrine does not rightly divide the Word of God. It does not take into consideration the whole counsel of scripture.

So, instead of hammering the legalism of Mosaic Sabbath Day requirements (which count for nothing), we should all be studying the Bible to learn more about this life long journey of learning when and how to 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

That's what counts and signifies whether or not we will inherit the kingdom of God or not. God's love for others is the sign and seal, the sabbath rest and circumcision, that you are in covenant with God and will be saved on the Day of Wrath. Literal, outward Sabbaths and circumcisions count for nothing in that regard. Anybody can do that. Even a Christ rejecting Jew can do that.
 
Matt. 22 + the tempting one seen in verse 35??

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [first and great commandment.]

And seeing that ‘ones’ doctrine does not understand this or know what that means, of being FIRST PLACE in the Born Again heart?? I will leave it there!

Unless you want to come on back to argue & then there is this ‘once or twice’ from Paul in Titus 3:9-11 (for me)

But surely all of these True prophets (+ others!) LOVED THE LORD enough to OBEY HIM! [BOTTOM LINE!]

--Elijah
 
You have cut and pasted a lot of scripture and maybe I missed it but I am wondering what is the point you are trying to make or the topic you wish to discuss?

Hey friend, you see that their was one that understood the Bible texts??;)

--Elijah
 
I think the point by ALL the Bible text posted (which are of only a few) POINT out that the Seventh Day of the week [is] & [was] the Day that
[God Blessed & Set Aside] for the Lords day.

And personally,(?) it truly is quite understandable how a non/Sabbath keeper does have 'some' problem with the verses?

--Elijah
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You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:14

If you practice the Law of Moses concerning the Sabbath, you are required to carry out the death sentence for those whp profane it by doing any work.

Do you practice this?


JLB
 
I think the point by ALL the Bible text posted (which are of only a few) POINT out that the Seventh Day of the week [is] & [was] the Day that
[God Blessed & Set Aside] for the Lords day.

And personally,(?) it truly is quite understandable how a non/Sabbath keeper does have 'some' problem with the verses?

--Elijah
\


You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:14

If you practice the Law of Moses concerning the Sabbath, you are required to carry out the death sentence for those whp profane it by doing any work.

Do you practice this?


JLB

The difference [IS] that God told them who was to be executed in the OT. He was His own theocracy. But in the NT Christ upon entering heaven (John 20:17) sent the Holy Spirit back to be HIS aid with being now omnipresent. Until Adam & Eve sinned, they were filled with the Holy Spirit, and after sin, Christ told ALL that they NEEDED TO BE BORN AGAIN! And the ones that were? Are seen in Acts 5:32 with the conditional 'EARNEST' of the Holy Spirit. 2 Cor. 1:22

--Elijah
 
Well NO one wants to tackle post No. 5?? But did I hear right that all of these verses...

As stated: 'What I and others find a problem with is your doctrine that saddles the church with the requirement to observe the 7th day as Moses commanded, or be condemned to hell, when other scripture makes it clear the requirements for the 4th Commandment, the Sabbath Commandment, along with all the other Commandments are fulfilled when we 'love our neighbor as ourself'.'

And since when is it Moses law that teaches that one must LOVE the one that created them??? Again young fellow, do you put God first in your life or not???

Matt. 22 + the tempting one seen in verse 35??

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [first and great commandment.]

Waiting for an answer?????

--Elijah
 
Matt. 22 + the tempting one seen in verse 35??

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [first and great commandment.]

And seeing that ‘ones’ doctrine does not understand this or know what that means, of being FIRST PLACE in the Born Again heart?? I will leave it there!

Unless you want to come on back to argue & then there is this ‘once or twice’ from Paul in Titus 3:9-11 (for me)

But surely all of these True prophets (+ others!) LOVED THE LORD enough to OBEY HIM! [BOTTOM LINE!]

--Elijah

Abraham was a prophet, and was declared righteous before God.

Abraham did not keep the Sabbath as directed by Moses Law.

I have been grafted into the covenant the God made with Abraham, not the covenant with Moses.


JLB
 
Matt. 22 + the tempting one seen in verse 35??

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [first and great commandment.]

And seeing that ‘ones’ doctrine does not understand this or know what that means, of being FIRST PLACE in the Born Again heart?? I will leave it there!

Unless you want to come on back to argue & then there is this ‘once or twice’ from Paul in Titus 3:9-11 (for me)

But surely all of these True prophets (+ others!) LOVED THE LORD enough to OBEY HIM! [BOTTOM LINE!]

--Elijah

Abraham was a prophet, and was declared righteous before God.

Abraham did not keep the Sabbath as directed by Moses Law.

I have been grafted into the covenant the God made with Abraham, not the covenant with Moses.


JLB

Hey, read Gen. 12:5 & see if you can find gentile converts there? (well gentile meaning that Abe was a gentile while there!) And surely to have converts meant much teaching of the Rightousness of Christ!

But be sure to read why he was called of God in the first place! Gen. 26:5 has this to say about old Abe...
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;

[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

[5] Because that Abraham [obeyed my voice,] and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and [[my laws.]]

And this was why God called Abe in the first place!

--Elijah
 
Well NO one wants to tackle post No. 5?? But did I hear right that all of these verses...

As stated: 'What I and others find a problem with is your doctrine that saddles the church with the requirement to observe the 7th day as Moses commanded, or be condemned to hell, when other scripture makes it clear the requirements for the 4th Commandment, the Sabbath Commandment, along with all the other Commandments are fulfilled when we 'love our neighbor as ourself'.'

And since when is it Moses law that teaches that one must LOVE the one that created them??? Again young fellow, do you put God first in your life or not???

Matt. 22 + the tempting one seen in verse 35??

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [first and great commandment.]

Waiting for an answer?????

--Elijah

Explain how 'keep Sabbath' wiggled in between the greatest command, 'love God', and the second greatest command, 'love your neighbor'.

What you're arguing is that 'keep Sabbath' is a greater expression of love for God than 'love your neighbor' is. If that were true 'love your neighbor' would not be number two, but would be number three at most.

Now, stop ignoring my question and explain why you ignore what Paul teaches, that when we 'love our neighbor as ourself' we have fulfilled ALL the commandments, not just numbers 5 through 10.
 
But be sure to read why he was called of God in the first place! Gen. 26:5 has this to say about old Abe...

This scripture does not say why Abraham was called of God.

This scripture states why God would give the Land that He promised to Isaac and his descendants.

This scripture does not state why God called Abraham.

3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Genesis 26:3-5

Where does it state Abraham kept the sabbath.

Please list the scripture.


Again, I ask you. If you keep the sabbath as required by Moses Law, then do you also enforce the penalty as commanded by God?

13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:13-14

The children of Israel were required to keep the sabbath as well as enforce the penalty for breaking the sabbath. God gave this command to the children of Israel.

This scripture does not say that God would choose who was to be put to death. The same people who were to keep the Sabbath, were charged with enforcing the sabbath.


DO YOU PRACTICE KEEPING THE SABBATH AS SPECIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES?

YES OR NO.


JLB
 
Well NO one wants to tackle post No. 5?? But did I hear right that all of these verses...

As stated: 'What I and others find a problem with is your doctrine that saddles the church with the requirement to observe the 7th day as Moses commanded, or be condemned to hell, when other scripture makes it clear the requirements for the 4th Commandment, the Sabbath Commandment, along with all the other Commandments are fulfilled when we 'love our neighbor as ourself'.'

And since when is it Moses law that teaches that one must LOVE the one that created them??? Again young fellow, do you put God first in your life or not???

Matt. 22 + the tempting one seen in verse 35??

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [first and great commandment.]

Waiting for an answer?????

--Elijah

Explain how 'keep Sabbath' wiggled in between the greatest command, 'love God', and the second greatest command, 'love your neighbor'.

What you're arguing is that 'keep Sabbath' is a greater expression of love for God than 'love your neighbor' is. If that were true 'love your neighbor' would not be number two, but would be number three at most.

Now, stop ignoring my question and explain why you ignore what Paul teaches, that when we 'love our neighbor as ourself' we have fulfilled ALL the commandments, not just numbers 5 through 10.

The FIRST Great Commandment, got that??? IS TO GOD! FIRST FIRST! This is the ETERNAL FIRST LOVING COMMMAND!
Mankind were ONLY seen in our Lords [BEFORE KNOWLEDGE! Rom. 4:17 last part of the verse]

Can you handle that??? If so, NEVER can the saints put up LOVE LOVE LOVE 'ALL' men above God! He is to be [[FIRST PLACE ]]in our life!

Case in Point:
The Caesar Pope (All Popes) ride on the back of the Beast (GOVERNMENT) power Rome. Back in the days of old Israel we saw that they had to have power from Caesar to execute Christ.. They CRIED OUT.. 'WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR!' (got that?)

OK: Who was FIRST place in their life?? Then we see the true LOVING Christians leave the old Israel to follow Christ out! His FIRST COMMANDMENT!
Who did they love? These ones all made it very clear that IT WAS NOT CAESAR that they put in LOVING FIRST PLACE as seen in Acts 5:27-29!

And Daniel friends? They too would die before bowing to the KING (Caesar) Nebuchadnezzar's IMAGE! Love the King?? (see Dan. 3:17-18)
And I wonder about our LOVE for God??

Last point is seen in Rom. 13. Here is Paul telling [ALL CHRISTIANS] to do what because of Love! Note that his message is ONLY pertaining to the SECOND TABLE of stone!! But does it sound that way to you??? It indeed just covers the Second group of the ten. Or is Paul telling saints that God has changed? Read the chapter for yourself! And NO neither God or the Son of God change! Mal. 3:6 + Heb. 13:8-9

And you two keep mentioning the commands of Moses as pertaining to Gods ETERNAL LAW?? See Moses commands in Deut. 31:9 & Deut. 31:24-26. This is the BOOK of the law of Moses. They are NOT the Eternal Law of the UNIVERSE! And they are referred to as [ordinances!] Feast days + Sabbaths & the like in Eph. Col.

All too deep for you young'ins? Perhaps so for now. But for one to tell me that the Holy Spirit is not felt LEADING you? Has me doubting if it is not another 's'pirits leading?

--Elijah
 
But be sure to read why he was called of God in the first place! Gen. 26:5 has this to say about old Abe...

This scripture does not say why Abraham was called of God.

This scripture states why God would give the Land that He promised to Isaac and his descendants.

This scripture does not state why God called Abraham.

3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Genesis 26:3-5

Where does it state Abraham kept the sabbath.

Please list the scripture.


Again, I ask you. If you keep the sabbath as required by Moses Law, then do you also enforce the penalty as commanded by God?

13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:13-14

The children of Israel were required to keep the sabbath as well as enforce the penalty for breaking the sabbath. God gave this command to the children of Israel.

This scripture does not say that God would choose who was to be put to death. The same people who were to keep the Sabbath, were charged with enforcing the sabbath.


DO YOU PRACTICE KEEPING THE SABBATH AS SPECIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES?

YES OR NO.


JLB

YOU DO NOT READ WELL!;)
(whatever??)

And what about History repeats? Never mind that either.

Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 (twice stated in documented scripture)
+ for how God WORKS as seen in Gen. 41:32

--Elijah
 
But be sure to read why he was called of God in the first place! Gen. 26:5 has this to say about old Abe...

This scripture does not say why Abraham was called of God.

This scripture states why God would give the Land that He promised to Isaac and his descendants.

This scripture does not state why God called Abraham.

3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Genesis 26:3-5

Where does it state Abraham kept the sabbath.

Please list the scripture.


Again, I ask you. If you keep the sabbath as required by Moses Law, then do you also enforce the penalty as commanded by God?

13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:13-14

The children of Israel were required to keep the sabbath as well as enforce the penalty for breaking the sabbath. God gave this command to the children of Israel.

This scripture does not say that God would choose who was to be put to death. The same people who were to keep the Sabbath, were charged with enforcing the sabbath.


DO YOU PRACTICE KEEPING THE SABBATH AS SPECIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES?

YES OR NO.


JLB

YOU DO NOT READ WELL!;)
(whatever??)

And what about History repeats? Never mind that either.

Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 (twice stated in documented scripture)
+ for how God WORKS as seen in Gen. 41:32

--Elijah


Never mind is not an answer.

You listed many many scriptures about how a person must keep the Sabbath as specified in the Law of Moses.

You condemn others who do not keep the Sabbath as specified in the Law of Moses.

Now, I ask you if YOU YOURSELF keep the Sabbath AS SPECIFIED IN THE LAW OF MOSES?

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:14

If you practice the Law of Moses concerning the Sabbath, you are required to carry out the death sentence for those who profane it by doing any work.


If you fail to keep the requirements of the Sabbath, as specified by the Law of Moses, and only keep the part that YOU YOURSELF choose to keep, then YOU YOURSELF break the Sabbath, the Sabbath that YOU YOURSELF condemn others for breaking.

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18


JLB
 
I think the point by ALL the Bible text posted (which are of only a few) POINT out that the Seventh Day of the week [is] & [was] the Day that
[God Blessed & Set Aside] for the Lords day.

And personally,(?) it truly is quite understandable how a non/Sabbath keeper does have 'some' problem with the verses?

--Elijah

Just maybe if those who say, they worship the Sabbath , followed the the Sabbath laws as they are written, their message would not fall to the wayside.

I have not met, heard or read a law keeper who does not pick and choose which laws s/he want to exploit.

Exo_20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.


Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath

There are more verses .....
 
Last point is seen in Rom. 13. Here is Paul telling [ALL CHRISTIANS] to do what because of Love! Note that his message is ONLY pertaining to the SECOND TABLE of stone!! But does it sound that way to you??? It indeed just covers the Second group of the ten.
The scriptures themselves are your doctrine's biggest enemy, Elijah674 (that's what happens when you don't divide the word of God properly).

In Ephesians 5 we see him say this:

"...immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater..." (Ephesians 5:5 NIV)

You can see that when we are immoral, or impure, or greedy (in violation of what you call the 2nd Tablet) we are in fact violating the command to not be idolatrous found on what you call the 1st Tablet of the Commandments.

So, when you love your neighbor as yourself, doing them no harm--not being immoral, or impure, or greedy--you are in fact KEEPING the part of the Ten Commandments that you say represents the first and greatest command to love God.

Now you have to somehow make what Paul said about not loving your neighbor as yourself (what you call the 2nd Tablet) as being equivalent to idolatry (from what you call the 1st Tablet) either not true, or not to be understood that way from his plain words. Good luck.
 
The thing I don't understand is these groups of peopl say well, Go wants us to worship on Saturday but from what I see in the bible we shoul let our life be worship to the Lord.
 
I think the point by ALL the Bible text posted (which are of only a few) POINT out that the Seventh Day of the week [is] & [was] the Day that
[God Blessed & Set Aside] for the Lords day.

And personally,(?) it truly is quite understandable how a non/Sabbath keeper does have 'some' problem with the verses?

--Elijah

Just maybe if those who say, they worship the Sabbath , followed the the Sabbath laws as they are written, their message would not fall to the wayside.

I have not met, heard or read a law keeper who does not pick and choose which laws s/he want to exploit.

Exo_20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.


Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath

There are more verses .....

You need to understand the two books! Read Isa. 5:1-4 & reread VERSE '3' for what God REQUIRES! And surely, the disciples in the NT started up the extension of New Israel... & all were executed except John by these ex/brethren who stayed put [[IN]] the old house. There was nothing wrong with their DOCTRINES, BUT AS ANOTHER HERE STATES, it was who they loved & put in first FIRST PLACE! And it takes both to be in Christ! Rom. 8:1 )

Isa. 5
[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, [[[judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.]]]

These were ALL PROFESSED 7 Day Sabbath keepers, [SO WHAT WENT WRONG???] They were LEGALISTS! See John 12:42-43 for the fulfillment of the extended starting of the church.

Can you follow this??

--Elijah
 
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