Kenite/Flood

[(THE)]

The Kenites are simply the offspring of Cain,,,or better known as the "Sons of Cain"

In Genesis 6 we see a flood that wiped out everyone except Noah and his family......

SO that would mean all the "Sons of Cain" should be wiped out,,,because of the flood.....

But they arent the bible mentions these "Kenites" or "Sons of Cain" many times after the flood.....

SO how did the "Kenites" survive the flood????????????

Im thinking the flood of Noah was not worldwide..........................

 

[veteran]

You just went way... over the head of the majority here bro. But I'll consider the question, and depend upon your patience.

Gen 6:19
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
(KJV)

Gen 7:15
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
(KJV)

Gen 7:16
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
(KJV)

I believe the flood of Noah's day was world-wide. And I believe the "two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life" included not just two of each species of creature, but also two of each race of mankind.

I do not hold to the theories of evolution. I wouldn't even call small changes within a specie as micro-evolution either. I believe in God's creation. I believe God's Word will always agree with TRUE science. It's just that evolution is pseudo-science, a crutch developed by those who refuse to recognize Him.

 

[lovestodance]

The Kenites are simply the offspring of Cain,,,or better known as the "Sons of Cain"
In Genesis 6 we see a flood that wiped out everyone except Noah and his family......
SO that would mean all the "Sons of Cain" should be wiped out,,,because of the flood.....
But they arent the bible mentions these "Kenites" or "Sons of Cain" many times after the flood.....
SO how did the "Kenites" survive the flood????????????
Im thinking the flood of Noah was not worldwide..........................

Where are you getting the info that the Kenites are the sons of Cain? I looked through several references and none of them agree with that. They appear instead to be a tribe associated with the Midianites.

 

[(THE)]

The Kenites are simply the offspring of Cain,,,or better known as the "Sons of Cain"
In Genesis 6 we see a flood that wiped out everyone except Noah and his family......
SO that would mean all the "Sons of Cain" should be wiped out,,,because of the flood.....
But they arent the bible mentions these "Kenites" or "Sons of Cain" many times after the flood.....
SO how did the "Kenites" survive the flood????????????
Im thinking the flood of Noah was not worldwide..........................

Where are you getting the info that the Kenites are the sons of Cain? I looked through several references and none of them agree with that. They appear instead to be a tribe associated with the Midianites.

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary # 7017; "Qeyniy, kay-nee'; or Qiyniy, (I Chronicles 2:55), patron from 7014, a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:-Kenite".

7014 Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).

THe association you found is based on Jethro being a Midianite,,,but Jethro was not a Kenite he only lived in a land where Kenites dwell.......I can present the evidence if you want..........

 

[(THE)]

You just went way... over the head of the majority here bro. But I'll consider the question, and depend upon your patience.

Gen 6:19
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
(KJV)

Gen 7:15
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
(KJV)

Gen 7:16
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
(KJV)

I believe the flood of Noah's day was world-wide. And I believe the "two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life" included not just two of each species of creature, but also two of each race of mankind.

I do not hold to the theories of evolution. I wouldn't even call small changes within a specie as micro-evolution either. I believe in God's creation. I believe God's Word will always agree with TRUE science. It's just that evolution is pseudo-science, a crutch developed by those who refuse to recognize Him.

I believe that the flood was only in the land of the Adamics.......But I use to believe what you believe I will hit the scriptures a little later and show you why I believe this.....

 

[(THE)]

You just went way... over the head of the majority here bro. But I'll consider the question, and depend upon your patience.

Gen 6:19
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
(KJV)

Gen 7:15
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
(KJV)

Gen 7:16
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
(KJV)

I believe the flood of Noah's day was world-wide. And I believe the "two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life" included not just two of each species of creature, but also two of each race of mankind.

I do not hold to the theories of evolution. I wouldn't even call small changes within a specie as micro-evolution either. I believe in God's creation. I believe God's Word will always agree with TRUE science. It's just that evolution is pseudo-science, a crutch developed by those who refuse to recognize Him.

Ok ,,, I do not know if the fallen angels mated with with other races besides the Adamics,,,,but I do believe they interacted with them,,,,,I believe many of the gods found in mythology were fallen angels....

Gen. 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Im sure you know this word "earth" refers to land more then it refers to the whole earth.....actually it means land over 1,500 times....

This is one of the many reason I believe that the flood was not worldwide.....

 

[lovestodance]

Here is the reference for Kenites from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia -
A tribe of nomads named in association with various other peoples. They are first mentioned along with the Kadmonites and Kenizzites among the peoples whose land was promised to Abram (Gen_15:19). Balaam, seeing them from the heights of Moab; puns upon their name, which resembles the Hebrew ??n, “a nest,†prophesying their destruction although their nest was “set in the rock†- possibly a reference to Sela, the city. Moses' father-in-law, Jethro, is called “the priest of Midian†in Exo_3:1; Exo_18:1; but in Jdg_1:16 he is described as a Kenite, showing a close relation between the Kenites and Midian. At the time of Sisera's overthrow, Heber, a Kenite, at “peace†with Jabin, king of HaZôr, pitched his tent far North of his ancestral seats (Jdg_4:17). There were Kenites dwelling among the Amalekites in the time of Saul (1Sa_15:6). They were spared because they had “showed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt.†David, in his answer to Achish, links the Kenites with the inhabitants of the South of Judah (1Sa_27:10). Among the ancestors of the tribe of Judah, the Chronicler includes the Kenite Hammath, the father of the Rechabites (1Ch_2:55). These last continued to live in tents, practicing the ancient nomadic customs (Jer_35:6 ff).
The word ??n? in Aramaic means “smith.†Professor Sayce thinks they may really have been a tribe of smiths, resembling “the gipsies of modern Europe, as well as the traveling tinkers or blacksmiths of the Middle Ages†(HDB, under the word). This would account for their relations with the different peoples, among whom they would reside in pursuit of their calling.
In Josephus they appear as Kenetides, and in Ant., IV, vii, 3 he calls them “the race of the Shechemites.â€

Easton's Bible Dictionary says this about them:
Kenites - Smiths, the name of a tribe inhabiting the desert lying between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai. Jethro was of this tribe (Jdg_1:16). He is called a “Midianite†(Num_10:29), and hence it is concluded that the Midianites and the Kenites were the same tribe. They were wandering smiths, “the gypsies and traveling tinkers of the old Oriental world. They formed an important guild in an age when the art of metallurgy was confined to a few†(Sayce's Races, etc.). They showed kindness to Israel in their journey through the wilderness. They accompanied them in their march as far as Jericho (Jdg_1:16), and then returned to their old haunts among the Amalekites, in the desert to the south of Judah. They sustained afterwards friendly relations with the Israelites when settled in Canaan (Jdg_4:11, Jdg_4:17-21; 1Sa_27:10; 1Sa_30:29). The Rechabites belonged to this tribe (1Ch_2:55) and in the days of Jeremiah (Jer_35:7-10) are referred to as following their nomad habits. Saul bade them depart from the Amalekites (1Sa_15:6) when, in obedience to the divine commission, he was about to “smite Amalek.†And his reason is, “for ye showed kindness to all the children of Israel when they came up out of Egypt.†Thus “God is not unrighteous to forget the kindness shown to his people; but they shall be remembered another day, at the farthest in the great day, and recompensed in the resurrection of the just†(M. Henry's Commentary). They are mentioned for the last time in Scripture in 1Sa_27:10; compare 1Sa_30:20.

Fausset's Bible Dictionary says:
A Midianite race, for Jethro the Kenite is called priest prince of Midian (Exo_2:15-16; Exo_4:19; Jdg_1:16; Jdg_4:11). The connection with Moses explains their continued alliance with Israel, accompanying them to Jericho "the city of palm trees" (Jdg_1:16; compare 2Ch_28:15), thence to the wilderness of Judah, where "they dwelt among the people" (Israel), realizing Moses' promise to Hobab, whose name appears slightly altered as that of a wady opposite Jericho (Num_10:32). (See HOBAB.) Hence Saul in a friendly spirit warned them to leave the Amalekites whom he was about to destroy (1Sa_15:6), and David sent presents to them, having previously pretended to Achish that he had invaded their southern border (1Sa_27:10; 1Sa_30:29). (See HEBER; HAZEZON TAMAR; RECHABITES; JEHONADAB.)
E. Wilton (Imperial Dictionary). suggests that Kenites is a religious rather than a gentilic term, meaning "a worshipper of the goddess Kain", one form of Ashtoreth or Astarte. This would account for God's denunciation of the Kenites by Balaam (Num_24:21-22 margin). Evidently the Kenites to be dispossessed by Israel (Gen_15:19) were distinct from the Kenites to whom Hobab and Jethro belonged. The latter were of Midianite origin, sprung from Abraham and Keturah, occupying the region E. of Egypt and W. of Seir and the gulf of Akabah (Gen_25:2); the former were Canaanites of the city Kain, which was taken by Judah (Jos_15:57). The Canaanite Kenites Balaam denounces; or else more probably Balaam's prophecy is "Kain (the Midianite Kenites) shall not be exterminated until Asshur shall carry him away into captivity" (Keil).
Thus "strong is thy dwelling place, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock," is figurative. The Kenites did not as Edom dwell in the rocks (Oba_1:3-4), but by leaving their nomadic life near Horeb to join Israel wandering in quest of a home the Kenite really placed his rest upon a safe rock, and would only be carried away when Assyria and Babylon took Israel and Judah; with the difference however that Judah should be restored, but the Kenites not so because they forfeited God's blessing by maintaining independence of Israel though intimately joined and by never entering inwardly into God's covenant of grace with Israel.
The connection of Midian and the Kenites appears in the name Kenney still attached to a wady in the midst of the Muzeiny or Midianites. Midian (and the Kenites) and Amalek were associated, as still are the Muzeiny and Aleikat (Amalek). The Muzeiny commit their flocks to women, as Jethro committed his to his daughters. The name Medinah betrays connection with Midian. The power of ingratiating themselves with their neighbours characterized the Kenites (Jdg_4:17). Also the love of tent life, hospitality, the use of goat's milk whey, the employment of women in men's work, so that the sexes had free contact and yet the female part of the tent was inviolable (4, 5; Exo_2:4; Numbers 25).

Why is there a problem with a universal, or worldwide flood? The geological evidence is all in favor of it... A local (middle eastern) flood raises more questions than a universal flood answers.

 

[(THE)]

I dont hold the same view,,,as these authors,,SO if your willing to say Jethro was a Kenite,,,im willing to prove you dead wrong,,,,showing an err in the very same references you have presented.....

I never said there was a problem with a universal flood,,,,,if you know your text you understand GOd flooded the earth long before the age of flesh..... :yes

A local (middle eastern) flood raises more questions than a universal flood answers.

I dont think it does friend,,,your right some question will come up buttttttt I think my answers are just as strong either way seeing is how I use to think Noahs flood was worldwide....

 

[tim-from-pa]

OK, I'm going to start off what I have to say with a prediction. Some of these concepts in this thread has Pastor Murray written on them, and in the past things got heated and then the thread was locked, so I would recommend keeping things friendly so this does not happen (which they are so far and that's good). While I do not agree with all that Murray teaches, some of his concepts are interesting to entertain and ponder (I like that kind of stuff). After all, I have some minority doctrines that I believe (to myself at least) are indisputable such as lost tribes of Israel teaching and how that relates to God's purpose and end times, but that's another subject.

(Although I may be wrong) I believe in a universal flood and I'll state why that is, at least from a scientific perspective. The bible teaches that after the flood God made the rainbow as a promise to never flood the earth again. As we all know, a rainbow is nothing more than the prism effect from water droplets and we can create our own rainbow with garden hose mist. Therefore, if there was no rainbow beforehand, the strong implication is that the atmosphere had a water canopy and now it does not. First of all, if the atmosphere changed, then that would have to be worldwide given that I can see a rainbow here in the Americas as well as down under in Australia. Otherwise, if some of the earth was never flooded, the rainbow would be meaningless there.

And even if the canopy broke in one place so that water flooded one area of the earth, the rotation would spread the water around evenly and result in a world-wide flood anyway. If the water stayed on one side of the world only, it would create a "washing machine effect". We all know that a single towel or even a washcloth imbalanced can cause a wash machine to vibrate uncontrollably until it goes into safety shutdown. If the earth had that much water on one side, the wobble and vibration would cause it to break apart, or at the very least, do some serious damage to the planet.

That being said, even if Eve did conceive by Satan, the "Kenites" would have washed away in the flood as the NT says there were only 8 souls (people) on board. That's too mathematically precise to ignore, and given I like math, I cannot justify more unless "Kenites" were considered animals (which implies they cannot be saved).

However, before we shoot down Arnold Murray's Kenite or Serpent Seed doctrine, let it be well known that this concept is in ancient Jewish apocryphal writings--- this is not his creation. It's not in all the writings, and most to my knowledge support the traditional flood stories, but just so that folks here know that it is in some (so says my Jewish encyclopedia).

However, I do understand and believe in the "Genesis 6 incident" with angelic-human hybrids, the reason the wickedness was so great that God had to destroy all of them lest these creatures get out of control and ruin the genealogy. But the results of such a union is always the same: abominable giant hybrids (so if there are really Kenites floating around, I would expect them to be the same way---- giants). The bible teaches that this occurred after the flood as well which is why we read about giants when the children of Israel tried to get the land.

This is no surprise even today. In the paranormal investigations, one occasionally hears of a poltergeist behaving inappropriately toward a woman, usually a young girl, or we also hear of "aliens" doing "reproductive experiments". The modus operandi has Genesis 6 written all over it. Even in the neighboring town or Riegelsville where I live here, there is a pastor that reports a black entity behaving inappropriately toward his wife--- that is a Poltergeist, which is nothing more than a demonic (fallen angel). Creepy stuff, and I believe we will see much more of this in the end times as Jesus said, "As in the days of Noah...." What happened in the days of Noah? The Genesis 6 incident.

Sorry for the long post, but I find these subjects fascinating, but also dangerous.

 

[(THE)]

There is no new thing under the sun,,,,,I dont think Arnold Murray believes what I believe concerning the flood ,,,but im not sure........Anyhow the (kenites) are the sons of the Cain,,,,,"Kenites" simply mean the offspring of Cain.......

That being said, even if Eve did conceive by Satan, the "Kenites" would have washed away in the flood as the NT says there were only 8 souls (people) on board.

NOt true at all,,,,,,,,,,the flood happen in Genesis 7 and was over by Genesis 8.........the Kenites are documented in the book of 1 Chronicles 2:55

And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

and many more places after the flood............

Serpent seed doctrine????????? In Genesis 3:15 it clearly says the serpent has a seed......Some people think this is spiritual some think its physical,,,,I think its both.......Is this dangerous ???? NO

No matter what I believe happen in the garden,,,Christ is still my Lord,,,still died on a cross,,,,I am still to love my neighbor and visit the widows,,,to repent and give thanks......

So if people want to believe this whole episode is over a apple,,,,when Adam and Eve were in a fig orchard to begin with,,,,,so be it......But I know what happen.........

satan did the same thing with Eve that the fallen angels did with the daughters of Adam,,,same plan,,,,,try and pollute the bloodline of Christ........

 

[tim-from-pa]

NOt true at all,,,,,,,,,,the flood happen in Genesis 7 and was over by Genesis 8.........the Kenites are documented in the book of 1 Chronicles 2:55

The idea is that Kenites were from Satan's seed. They would exist after the flood only if the flood was local, and that was my point if it was worldwide. Yes, there definitely were strange creatures around after the flood as well. I take it more as the Genesis 6 incident, but then again, I love a good poltergeist story. :D I realize this is difficult and obscure stuff, so I keep an open mind about it all. I know I'm from Adam's race because I blush, and I even believe I am from the tribe of Joseph. So by anyone's standard, I can call on the Lord for salvation. I won't answer for other strange creatures that run around :D (as for the "dangerous" part, I meant paranormal stuff to be careful not to take it lightly or mess with it).

 

[(THE)]

I think you are looking at 3rd and 3,,,when its still 2ncd and 10.....Let me explain.....


lets say the flood was worldwide,,,,so the flood came upon the whole entire earth,,,and it killed every person in the world except the people on the ark ,,,8 people......

Ok,,, this is the logic we shall use for now,,,,,,,So everyone is dead except 8 people...

These 8 people are Adamic people,,,,they are descendents from Adam..........

So where did families people come from ????????????

1 Chronicles 2:55
And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Do you know what you get when a Adamic person has sex with an adamic person??????????

Do you know what you get,,, when a Adamic male enters,, and makes child with a adamic woman??????

See the problem is,,,you are saying the flood was worldwide,,,and killed all the "kenites" ,,,,,but im showing you "kenites" are still around years after the flood............

So its your turn bro,,,,,you gotta tell me where these "kenite" mentioned in the book of chronicles comes from????????

 

[(THE)]

(Although I may be wrong) I believe in a universal flood and I'll state why that is, at least from a scientific perspective. The bible teaches that after the flood God made the rainbow as a promise to never flood the earth again. As we all know, a rainbow is nothing more than the prism effect from water droplets and we can create our own rainbow with garden hose mist. Therefore, if there was no rainbow beforehand, the strong implication is that the atmosphere had a water canopy and now it does not. First of all, if the atmosphere changed, then that would have to be worldwide given that I can see a rainbow here in the Americas as well as down under in Australia. Otherwise, if some of the earth was never flooded, the rainbow would be meaningless there.

You might be right,heck its alot of evidence that leans toward your ideas...,,,but in looking at the text ,,,I think I can make stronger case for it being not worldwide............

and one of my first opposing questions would be,,,where did the "kenites" come from,,,if the flood only left 8 (adamics) in the world....?????????????????

 

[tim-from-pa]

and one of my first opposing questions would be,,,where did the "kenites" come from,,,if the flood only left 8 (adamics) in the world....?????????????????

I'm not sure. But if they were descended from Cain, they'd have to survive somehow. One possibility is that there was not a world-wide flood. Another possibility is the apocryphal book of Jashar (I believe) has a genealogy where Noah's wife was from Cain's lineage. Maybe some offspring wanted to identify with that. And yet another one is I have to beg the question are we sure that "Kennites" are descended from Cain, or is that an eponym? Genesis has genealogies of Cain, of Adam, and after the flood we have Noah's genealogy in Genesis 10 (aka "the table of the nations") which people of various nations come from. In other words, I don't see a pre-flood to post-flood genealogy of Cain's descendants.

Another question comes to my mind. If Cain was the son of Satan, would God not all the more want to wipe out his race just like he wiped out the angelic-human hybrids in Genesis 6? The bible does make provisions of the latter case of more giants to occur after the flood, but on a scaled down level (except maybe the end times again). In the beginning, it seems their goals were to mess up Adam's race, but after the flood demonic encumbrance in the form of giants seemed to take place only to prevent Israel from occupying the land which is perhaps why God allowed this on a smaller scale. He probably will allow more in the end times to test men again.

All are questions worthy of asking and to point out different possibilities.

 

[(THE)]

and one of my first opposing questions would be,,,where did the "kenites" come from,,,if the flood only left 8 (adamics) in the world....?????????????????

I'm not sure. But if they were descended from Cain, they'd have to survive somehow. One possibility is that there was not a world-wide flood. Another possibility is the apocryphal book of Jashar (I believe) has a genealogy where Noah's wife was from Cain's lineage. Maybe some offspring wanted to identify with that. And yet another one is I have to beg the question are we sure that "Kennites" are descended from Cain, or is that an eponym? Genesis has genealogies of Cain, of Adam, and after the flood we have Noah's genealogy in Genesis 10 (aka "the table of the nations") which people of various nations come from. In other words, I don't see a pre-flood to post-flood genealogy of Cain's descendants.

Another question comes to my mind. If Cain was the son of Satan, would God not all the more want to wipe out his race just like he wiped out the angelic-human hybrids in Genesis 6? The bible does make provisions of the latter case of more giants to occur after the flood, but on a scaled down level (except maybe the end times again). In the beginning, it seems their goals were to mess up Adam's race, but after the flood demonic encumbrance in the form of giants seemed to take place only to prevent Israel from occupying the land which is perhaps why God allowed this on a smaller scale. He probably will allow more in the end times to test men again.

All are questions worthy of asking and to point out different possibilities.

Another question comes to my mind. If Cain was the son of Satan, would God not all the more want to wipe out his race just like he wiped out the angelic-human hybrids in Genesis 6?

Because God has a plan for the kenites,,,,,,please see matthew 13 ,,,the (sons of Cain) are the tares....


But let me address this comment.......

Genesis has genealogies of Cain, of Adam, and after the flood we have Noah's genealogy in Genesis 10 (aka "the table of the nations") which people of various nations come from. In other words, I don't see a pre-flood to post-flood genealogy of Cain's descendants.

Your missing something here,,,lets review the text.........

1Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

Ok,,,these are the sons of Noah,,,,they are Adamics......But look at the next verse...

5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations

The Adamic (Noahs family) were divided from the gentiles.......So who/what are the gentiles????

(Gentiles) gowy, or goy, or the plural goyim (Strong's No. 1471) and basically means foreigners, foreign nations, heathens, or people.

the gentiles were already there,,,long before Noahs family arrived...........

So if the flood was worldwide,,,how did these gentiles (goy) (heathens) get in Genesis chp 10,,,,,did Noah and his wife mate and have heathen????? Of course,,,,,,,,so we see not only are there "kenites" after this flood but there are also (gentiles) on the isles,,,,,most likely the Mediterranean Sea coastlands...........

 

[tim-from-pa]

5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations

Been working lately and finally got back to the board here.

I always took that verse to mean Japheth's future descendants in the farthest parts of the earth as well after Babel as the word "nations" used for them in the last part of the chapter is the same Hebrew word (meaning nations or Gentiles). The very same word is used of Ephraim in Genesis 48:19. Yair Davidiy calls Joseph the "Gentile children of Israel" considering Joseph married Asenath, the daughter of Potipherah, priest of On.

I can sort of see where you are coming from, but I think just the word "gentiles" is definitely not a strong enough case for them to be anyone other than Noah's descendants (Genesis 10:1, Acts 17:26) especially since the word is used of the chosen lineage of Naoh.

 

[(THE)]

5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations

Been working lately and finally got back to the board here.

I always took that verse to mean Japheth's future descendants in the farthest parts of the earth as well after Babel as the word "nations" used for them in the last part of the chapter is the same Hebrew word (meaning nations or Gentiles). The very same word is used of Ephraim in Genesis 48:19. Yair Davidiy calls Joseph the "Gentile children of Israel" considering Joseph married Asenath, the daughter of Potipherah, priest of On.

I can sort of see where you are coming from, but I think just the word "gentiles" is definitely not a strong enough case for them to be anyone other than Noah's descendants (Genesis 10:1, Acts 17:26) especially since the word is used of the chosen lineage of Naoh.

But then we are left with a huge problem.......Noah and his were family were pure adamics from Adam.....

119 'adam aw-dam' to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:--be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).

So adam was a white man that was able to blush and show red in the face (you can google ruddy face)

Which mean Noah and his family were Ruddy (white)

SO if there were only eight ruddy (white) people in the world,,,,,how do you explain other races?????

2 white poeple cant have a black baby ,,,,nor a chinese baby ,,,,nor a mexican child.....

If its tru that only 8 people were on the ark,,,all of the same race and there is no other race on the planet,,,,then it would be immpossible to make another race.......

check it out,,,

Gen. 10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim

Mizraim,,,means eygpt in ancient hebrew.........Mizrain was the father of the eygptians,,,,back to the same problem,,,,,How can one get an eygptian man from 2 adamic ruddy people,,,,,you cant,,,,I believe the people on the coastlands had been there for some time,,,,which would bring us back to Genesis 1:26 the creating of the races......

 

[tim-from-pa]

SO if there were only eight ruddy (white) people in the world,,,,,how do you explain other races?????

2 white poeple cant have a black baby ,,,,nor a chinese baby ,,,,nor a mexican child.....

If its tru that only 8 people were on the ark,,,all of the same race and there is no other race on the planet,,,,then it would be immpossible to make another race.......

check it out,,,

Then, I would assume that this means that God created a separate race of people for each types? There are hundreds, so God created hundreds of first men (or races?) I'm not sure I believe that it is not possible for different races to form from a family lineage, because after all, the word race is misleading--- it should more accurately be called a family tree. Skin color is nothing more than pigmentation. My brother's daughters (now grown) look somewhat Hispanic. My sons (now mostly grown) look more Celtic. We have everything in common with ancestors except his wife and mine---- his wife has Jewish and Blackfoot Indian. My wife is Germanic (as I am Germanic) so how do my kids look Celtic?

Even evolution generally believes in a common evolutionary ancestor.

If each "race" were a separate creation, then it would be impossible to crossbreed because everyone just looking "human" would not make them so. Then there would be the theological question as to men's spiritual condition, this is, if they even had a Spirit like Adam. The bible only tells of Adam's as the apostle Paul stated: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

This means one of two things: either all men now existing are from Adam, or if they are not, then there is no promise of salvation in Christ for them, if they even can be saved, ie. they are "human" animals. I choose the former.

As a believer in lost tribes, I get annoyed when someone circumvents and songs and dances around verses like Genesis 35:11, and Genesis 48:19. They are so clear and straightforward that any other interpretation is fanciful. Likewise, this verse that Paul stated is just as straightforward. I have no choice but to interpret it that way lest I become what I accuse those who song and dance around plain scriptural passages in Genesis. I vow to stay consistent, i.e. if I interpret passages plainly, then I stay that way throughout the bible.

 

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Then, I would assume that this means that God created a separate race of people for each types? There are hundreds, so God created hundreds of first men (or races?)

I will try to explain this,,,,I think you might get where im coming from

All 3 of these words mean "man" but we as the readers much watch carefully as to how they are being used.....Keep these 3 words in your brain........

1) 'adaam----- This hebrew word "adaam" does not mean Adam the husband of Eve,,,this word 'adaam" means men or mankind......

2) haa-'adam----- with the Article is the man.

3) eth-ha-adam-----with the Article & Particle is this particular man Adam

Ok now lets open up the bible.....and im going to take you advice----

interpret passages plainly

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The word "man" here is "adaam" it it only means man or mankind.....

So on day 6 God created mankind not Adam........Also God created all the wild animals........

Day 7 God rested

Now after day God did not have a gardener to tend to the garden,,,,neither did God have a blood line for the Christ to come thru......

So God didnt "create" Adam he "formed" him......Lets look at the bible again...

Gen 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man (eth-ha-adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man (ha-adam) became a living soul.

So what we see is in Gen 2 instead of creating Adam,,,,God formed him,,,,,,but Genesis 1 God created mankind.....Formed v.s. Creating......

Let me add something here,,,,,I believe Noah only took the animals "formed" on the ark,,,only the animals the Adamics would need to start over......Not hippo's and bears and wolverines......

I'l see whats up later,,,im going to try an get a crack at the book you have at the bottom of your post....

 

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My sons (now mostly grown) look more Celtic. We have everything in common with ancestors except his wife and mine---- his wife has Jewish and Blackfoot Indian. My wife is Germanic (as I am Germanic) so how do my kids look Celtic?

I think with some fairly easy research we can find the answers to that....But I bet there dna is the same.....Ultimately,,,thats what were talking about here...(DNA) I have seen 2 Mexicans have a child that looks asian,,,but if you take him to the doctor he is Mexican.......

When God took a rib,,,,,form Adam he didnt take a literal rib......He took Adams DNA,,,,,but Why????????? Because Christ had to be full Adamic,,,,,,He could not let Adam mate with any of the woman from the Day 6 because they werent Adamic,,,,,so he formed Eve from Adam,,,,,that makes me think,,,,

Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

Help meet for him????????? Was GOd trying to hook Adam with with a cow???? or maybe a horse?????

I dont think so,,,Humans cant marry animals,,,,so who are they talking about when they say "for Adam there was not found an help meet for him".???????

Also if you believe all came form Adam,,,and im not saying you do,,,,,,your going to have that pesky little problem of answering,,,,,,

Where did Cain get his wife??????????

And who was Cain so afraid of when he was kicked out and marked??????????