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journeyman said:
Well, whatever deviates from what our Lord taught is error.
The Messiah taught how we should obey the law from the view that we need mercy.
When addressing the Rabbis', our Savior said,

you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. Mt.23:23

The law shows how I need to live by faith in his mercy to escape his justice.
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The Holy Spirit is my guide and my teacher, John 16:13-14. Not the law. I am not a Pharisee.
 
Robert Pate said:
The Holy Spirit is my guide and my teacher, John 16:13-14.
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Your misuse of those verses and many others suggests that the Holy Spirit isn't perhaps guiding you nearly as much as you think. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead into error, but into truth.

Robert Pate said:
All I know is what is on the internet. If you want more information, Coogle Chrislam.
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If you make a claim, it is up to you back it up, not others. It is just poor form to send others to hunt for evidence of your claim.
 
Free said:
Your misuse of those verses and many others suggests that the Holy Spirit isn't perhaps guiding you nearly as much as you think. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead into error, but into truth.


If you make a claim, it is up to you back it up, not others. It is just poor form to send others to hunt for evidence of your claim.
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I don't know, nor do I care to know what Chrislam is. All I know is that the pope has embraced Islam and calls it Chrislam. There is tons of information if you will google Chrislam. What do you think I am making this up?
 
Robert Pate said:
I don't know, nor do I care to know what Chrislam is. All I know is that the pope has embraced Islam and calls it Chrislam. There is tons of information if you will google Chrislam. What do you think I am making this up?
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Yes, I do. Provide your evidence or stop making the claim.
 
Robert Pate said:
The Holy Spirit is my guide and my teacher, John 16:13-14. Not the law. I am not a Pharisee.
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I know the Spirit of Christ guides you. Here is what the Spirit inspired Paul to write,

But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Rom.14:15

I know little of church history outside of the Bible, but personally I believe somewhere along the line, people took Pauls' instruction on how, We no longer have to abstain from pork chops to be saved"..... and turned it into, "We no longer have to repent to be saved."
 
journeyman said:
I know the Spirit of Christ guides you. Here is what the Spirit inspired Paul to write,

But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Rom.14:15

I know little of church history outside of the Bible, but personally I believe somewhere along the line, people took Pauls' instruction on how, We no longer have to abstain from pork chops to be saved"..... and turned it into, "We no longer have to repent to be saved."
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I don't think that you have to destroy anyone. But we are called to teach the truth, sometimes the truth hurts.
 
Robert Pate said:
The claim is true. The pope has embraced Islam and calls it Chrislam. Am I not allowed to tell the truth on this Forum?
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If it is true, then you should be able to find evidence. If you don’t provide proof, then it isn’t true and you’re being dishonest and violating ToS 1.4.
 
Robert Pate said:
I don't think that you have to destroy anyone. But we are called to teach the truth, sometimes the truth hurts.
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Personally, I have no problem abstaining from barbecue. I do believe being made aware of certain things, before we're ready to handle them, can be harmful to our faith. At times, our Lord withheld the truth from his disciples, because they couldn't bear it at that time. Jesus also said,

no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. Lk.5:37

He was referring to the difference between his disciples and John the baptists' disciples. They were all believers, but some observed prayer time and fasting differently.

And these are just the Jewish believers! Can you imagine the chaos when gentiles got mixed in? I truly believe theologians have bastardized Pauls' writings.
 
Robert Pate said:
All I know is what is on the internet. If you want more information, Coogle Chrislam.
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R,
You're in the THEOLOGY forum.
Theology requires support of one's views.
You must provide support for anything you state,
Especially if asked.

The reply cannot be GO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF ON GOOGLE.
 
journeyman said:
I know the Spirit of Christ guides you. Here is what the Spirit inspired Paul to write,

But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Rom.14:15

I know little of church history outside of the Bible, but personally I believe somewhere along the line, people took Pauls' instruction on how, We no longer have to abstain from pork chops to be saved"..... and turned it into, "We no longer have to repent to be saved."
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Could you please clarify your last paragraph?
 
journeyman said:
Personally, I have no problem abstaining from barbecue. I do believe being made aware of certain things, before we're ready to handle them, can be harmful to our faith. At times, our Lord withheld the truth from his disciples, because they couldn't bear it at that time. Jesus also said,

no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. Lk.5:37

He was referring to the difference between his disciples and John the baptists' disciples. They were all believers, but some observed prayer time and fasting differently.

And these are just the Jewish believers! Can you imagine the chaos when gentiles got mixed in? I truly believe theologians have bastardized Pauls' writings.
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This is interesting.
Never heard you say this before.
Could you give an example?

I have the idea that WE bastardize Paul, not theologians. (Since we all have differing beliefs).
 
journeyman said:
I know the Spirit of Christ guides you. Here is what the Spirit inspired Paul to write,

But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Rom.14:15

I know little of church history outside of the Bible, but personally I believe somewhere along the line, people took Pauls' instruction on how, We no longer have to abstain from pork chops to be saved"..... and turned it into, "We no longer have to repent to be saved."
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I mean, I think I agree but want to make sure before replying.
 
Robert Pate said:
I don't know, nor do I care to know what Chrislam is. All I know is that the pope has embraced Islam and calls it Chrislam. There is tons of information if you will google Chrislam. What do you think I am making this up?
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Why are you continuing to make this slanderous LIE.
You provide no evidence for it.
I have shown that it is false.
It is a disgrace that you are still being allowed to post this lie.
 
wondering said:
THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ARBITOR OF TRUTH.

PLEASE POST SUPPORTING EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIM OR WITHDRAW IT.

YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF TOS 1.4
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I have ALREADY posted supporting evidence, if you want to see it, google Chrislam. It is all there, pictures and all. Do you really believe that someone would make up a fictitious web site?
 
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