LEts look at the Qu'ran

[Muhsen]

THE PAGAN SOURCES OF ISLAM

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/pagansources.htm



"Muhammad then sanctioned the pagan rituals concerning the Kaba, i.e. kissing the black stone, touching the Kaba, circling the structure, running between the two hills, etc. Later, Umar said to the black stone "I know that you are a stone, that neither helps nor hurts, and if the messenger of god had not kissed you, I would not kiss you". (Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 2, #667). But then he kissed the stone. Like Umar, many other Muslims follow the prophet in their practice of veneration of a pagan idol."



Is this true? Are Muslims into stone kissing ?

:o

There are various reports from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) concerning the origin or the Black Stone, but most of them are of doubtful origins. In Islam, we should not base our belief on sources which we cannot verify one hundred percent. The only fact that we can certainly establish is that it was put there by Prophet Ibrahim and Isma’eel (peace be upon them both) by the order of Almighty Allah, and the purpose of it was to indicate the beginning of tawaf (circumabulation of the Ka`bah).

Thus we as Muslims do not attach divine power to the stone. As `Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said: “You’re just a stone that does not benefit or harm anyone, and if I hadn’t seen the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) kissing you, I would have not done so."

So, we are simply touching or kissing the Black Stone in order to honor us with association with the great Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him); it does not imply any reverence whatsoever."

However, some other scholars have classified some of the Hadith reports concerning the Black Stone as Sahih (authentic) and as such they relate some importance to the Black Stone. Here are some of the hadiths reported as regards the Black Stone:

1. Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Jannah (Paradise).†(At-Tirmidhi, Sunan, hadith no. 877, and classified as authentic hadith by Sheikh Al-Albaani in his book Sahih At-Tirmidthi, hadith no. 695 )

2. Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) also narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.†(At-Tirmidhi, Sunan)

3. Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) further related that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “By Allah, Allah will bring it forth on the Day of Judgment, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favor of those who touched it in sincerity.†(At-Tirmidhi, Sunan)

4. Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Ar-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for one’s sins.†(At-Tirmidhi, Sunan, hadith no. 959. This hadith is classified as hasan by At-Tirmidhi and as Sahih by Al-Hakim (1/664), and Adh-Dhahabi agreed with him.)

 

[DivineNames]

have a look through answering-christianity.com to find the answer:

http://answering-christianity.com/muham ... theist.htm

I didn't suggest that Islam is polytheistic, so I don't know why you posted the link that you did.

I did quote a claim that Muslims kiss a pagan idol.

If you have evidence that it isn't a pagan idol then please post it. I am not interested in Islamic myth.

 

[DivineNames]

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?

http://www.salagram.net/VWH-Kaaba.html



Here is a theory I came across, how seriously it should be taken I really wouldn't know. (It can't be any less likely than the claim that the Kaba was rebuilt by Abraham).




"As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets."



"Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed."



"Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita."



:D

 

[TheStudent]

i too have come across a theory as to why you have taken the cross as your symbol.

the ancient marians of jeruselem used to sacrafice animals on large, cross shaped tables. on each of the 4 arms of the cross, indents were made to collect the blood of the animal. this would then be drunk in reverence to the forthcoming Mesih. it is believed that this blood will give them life after death and resurrect them from their sleep.

you see, anyone can make up stories

ALL i am concerned with is what is written the bible and quran. you can continue embarassing yourself with fairytales if you wish

 

[DivineNames]

you see, anyone can make up stories

Muhammad perhaps?

ALL i am concerned with is what is written the bible and quran. you can continue embarassing yourself with fairytales if you wish

I am not the one who believes the nonsense about the Kaba mate. :D

It was used as a pagan shrine. Everyone accepts this, including Muslims of course. That it was ever anything other than this, is merely a Quranic fairytale. There is zero evidence for it.

 

[Gary]

then we have different views of the role of prophets. i value EVERY word a prophet says. and im talking about TRUE propehets like jesus and muhammed. to ignore one word is to ignore them all. propehts dont just 'speak' the word of God, they DO the word of God. thats thedifference. do you DO the word of God? without prophets to teach us, how would we know how to act?

Jesus and Muhammad taught totally different messages.

Muhammad was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).
Muhammad's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).
Muhammad promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).
Muhammad was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).
Muhammad and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).
Muhammad's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).
Muhammad practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29,35).
Muhammad was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).
Muhammad conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).
Muhammad said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).
Muhammad was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).
Muhammad preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).
Muhammad declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).
Muhammad constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).
Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Muhammad and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).
Modern day disciples of Muhammad respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).
Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).
Muhammad said the Qur’an is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire His Word in more than one language.
Muhammad hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16)
Muhammad allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and moral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20)
Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise; The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God-- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2)
The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation; The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8)
Muhammad said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammad said a women goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25)
Muhammad called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . .but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36)
Muhammad ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).
The Qur’an says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qur’an 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).
The Qur’an says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qur’an 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).
The Qur’an says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qur’an 8.12); Jesus says to Love your enemies and pray for them (Matthew 5: 43-47)
The Muhammad’s Qur’an is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).
Muhammad's mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).
Muhammad considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced Muhammad to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).
Muhammad claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).
Islam is geocentric: that is; the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23)
Muhammad's tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!
Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it; The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16)
Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.
Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO! He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear;The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. (1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19. We love him, because he first loved us.)

 

[YESHUA]

yeshua firstly you have alrwady admitted:

'YES we can admit that there are errors in our BIBLE.'
really when did I do that?
secondly i will ask you what Allah is asking you:

'Are you sure?'

Allah says in the quran that it is better for you to accept the truth ' but if they only knew'

yeshua, islam is the truth, if you only knew.

God with you, may He open your heart.

Shalom Student
Thanks but no thanks I already know the truth and it has set me free not like in Islam you have to work to please your GOD I am saved by the blood of YESHUA cleansed in HIS redeeming blood what did Muhammad ever do to save people?
Have you ever really read the Bible other than to find fault in it?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
This is what I truly believe in and nothing in this world can change that.
You se I love my YESHUA and HE loves me and thats enough for me and it could also be enough for you if you so wish.
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the lover and redeemer of my soul

 

[TheStudent]

you said it right here:

http://christianforums.net/viewtopic.ph ... sc&start=0

if christianity works for you, then so be it. that is your choice. good luck to you.

 

[bibleberean]

Christianity is the only thing that does work. There is not other way to God but through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

A sure way to eternal damnation is to follow the false teachings of the rabid false prophet of Islam.

 

[Beena]

I think a lot of people consider Muhammed as the false prophet more because the New Testament prophecies about false prophets arising and stuff. But the fact remains that a huge gigantic majority is not going to worship Muhammed and hold him in high esteem if he was bad. If violence was there in his time, perhaps it could not be avoided. Besides, just because there has been a prophecy does not mean it should come true. All prophecies in the Old Testament did not come true, does that undermine the worth of the New Testament or that Christ was God? No! I think, the real anti-christs were right in time of Christ - the elders, chief priests, scribes, pharisees, Jews in general, the Roman government, etcetera. And no one raises any finger at them. Why? Why is everyone after Muhammed? It convinces me more and more because of that, that he must have been GOOD!

 

[bibleberean]

I think a lot of people consider Muhammed as the false prophet more because the New Testament prophecies about false prophets arising and stuff. But the fact remains that a huge gigantic majority is not going to worship Muhammed and hold him in high esteem if he was bad. If violence was there in his time, perhaps it could not be avoided. Besides, just because there has been a prophecy does not mean it should come true. All prophecies in the Old Testament did not come true, does that undermine the worth of the New Testament or that Christ was God? No! I think, the real anti-christs were right in time of Christ - the elders, chief priests, scribes, pharisees, Jews in general, the Roman government, etcetera. And no one raises any finger at them. Why? Why is everyone after Muhammed? It convinces me more and more because of that, that he must have been GOOD!

All the prophecies of the Old Testament will come true.

Many of them have already come to pass.

The bible is God's word.

The Koran and it's false prophet contradict scripture.

Excerpted from Islam and Christianity Site not necessarily endorsed by me.

http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bi ... /islam.php

"Mohammed taught there is only one Divine Being in God. He denied the Deity of Jesus, saying He was just a man - a great prophet, but not the Divine Son of God. (Koran, 4:160-171 - pp60,61; 6:90-100 - pp77,78; 9:130; 19:135 - p168)

The Bible says Jesus is Divine.

John 1:1,14 - Jesus (the Word) was God, was with God in the beginning, and became flesh to dwell among men a man.

Colossians 2:9 - In Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

John 20:28,29 - Thomas called Jesus "my Lord and my God." Jesus pronounced a blessing on all others who believe the same (cf. vv 30,31).

How can Moslems deny these teachings and yet claim to believe the Bible is true and Jesus was a prophet?

[Phil. 2:6-8; Heb. 1:8,9; Tit. 2:13; Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 5:23]

The Bible says Jesus is the Only-Begotten Son of God.

Matthew 16:13-17 - During His lifetime many people believed what Moslems today believe: that Jesus was a great prophet like other prophets. But Peter confessed that Jesus was not just a man but was the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus Himself affirmed that Peter's statement had been revealed by God.

John 10:35 - Jesus plainly admitted that He had said, "I am the Son of God."

Matthew 17:5; 3:17 - Twice God spoke from heaven and claimed Jesus as His beloved Son. Bible writers claimed to be eyewitnesses that these things were true (2 Peter 1:16-18).

Romans 1:4 - The resurrection declared Jesus to be the Son of God.

To believe that Jesus was just a great man and a prophet is to belittle Him and to deny His own statements. To believe some other man was as great as Jesus is to blaspheme Him. If Jesus spoke the truth, then He was more than a prophet.

Moslems must either admit that Jesus was the Divine Son of God, or else they must admit they do not believe that Jesus and the Bible are true.

[John 3:16; 1:14; 3:18; 1 John 4:9; Colossians 1:15,18; Eph. 1:19-22; 1 Corinthians 15:23-28]"

bb adds:

Islam denies all these verses:

1 John 2:22-25 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Islam claims that God has no son...

Islam is evil and is an antichrist.

 

[Lyndar]

I think a lot of people consider Muhammed as the false prophet more because the New Testament prophecies about false prophets arising and stuff. But the fact remains that a huge gigantic majority is not going to worship Muhammed and hold him in high esteem if he was bad. If violence was there in his time, perhaps it could not be avoided. Besides, just because there has been a prophecy does not mean it should come true. All prophecies in the Old Testament did not come true, does that undermine the worth of the New Testament or that Christ was God? No! I think, the real anti-christs were right in time of Christ - the elders, chief priests, scribes, pharisees, Jews in general, the Roman government, etcetera. And no one raises any finger at them. Why? Why is everyone after Muhammed? It convinces me more and more because of that, that he must have been GOOD!

Did you know there are legions of demons who follow the devil? WhenLucifer fell from his original state, he took two thirds of the angels with him. Hitler had followers, so did Ghengis Khan and Rasputin, etc. Buddah had followers, so did all the rest of the heathen pagan leaders of all time. All the proophecies in the Old Testament have been fulfilled by Jesus Christ, except the ones happeninbg right now,and the ones still to be fulfilled.
Muhammad is a false prophet, and Jesus warned all to not believe the prophet who is in the desert. Jesus said if they say he is in the desert, go not forth. Muhammad is the false prophet in the desert.

Even one who skims through the Bible can see tht Muhammad is not there. It is all about Jesus.
Whoever believes in Muhammad believes in a man who is dead and powerless to save them from hell.

 

[TheStudent]

Muhammad is a false prophet, and Jesus warned all to not believe the prophet who is in the desert. Jesus said if they say he is in the desert, go not forth. Muhammad is the false prophet in the desert.

where does it say this?
Muhammed may be dead in this physical world, but his spirit lives on. but as you know, muslims dont worship Muhammed, but Allah who is Ever Living.

you talk about Bhuddah. do you not see that christians have done exactly the same thing with their prophet and made him into a (false) god? the similarities are staggering.

The Bible says Jesus is Divine.

John 1:1,14 - Jesus (the Word) was God, was with God in the beginning, and became flesh to dwell among men a man.

if you are going to quote from the bible, please at least use the correct wording and not your own interpretations:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

please tell me, which part of the bible was written or dictated or instructed to be written by Jesus?

 

[Agarash]

TheStudent, let me ask you this again:

1. why do you post here?

and if your answer is to open our eyes to the truth, then my next question is this:

2. Do you claim then to have the ultimate truth, and nothing we say can change your opinion otherwise?

 

[TheStudent]

^^^^^
you read my mind.

 

[Agarash]

then that means you are open for no opinions, no information we are trying to pass along to you, nothing....you are like a wall. we can talk all we want but you refuse to listen because you claim to know the ultimate truth and no other thing on this planet will confice you otherwise.

sorry... but i think this is a very ignorant way of living. so i think you must start to reconsider why you post on this forum. with an open mind you might just start to realise that you have a complete wrong impression of christianity.

 

[Gary]

Textual Variants of the Qur'an

Most Muslims claim that the text of the Qur'an is identical to that received by Muhammad. This is a convenient thing to believe, but is it the truth? There is overwhelming evidence that it is not:

Read on....
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/index.html

:o

 

[Lyndar]

Muhammad is a false prophet, and Jesus warned all to not believe the prophet who is in the desert. Jesus said if they say he is in the desert, go not forth. Muhammad is the false prophet in the desert.

where does it say this?
Muhammed may be dead in this physical world, but his spirit lives on. but as you know, muslims dont worship Muhammed, but Allah who is Ever Living.

you talk about Bhuddah. do you not see that christians have done exactly the same thing with their prophet and made him into a (false) god? the similarities are staggering.

[quote:264aa]The Bible says Jesus is Divine.

John 1:1,14 - Jesus (the Word) was God, was with God in the beginning, and became flesh to dwell among men a man.

if you are going to quote from the bible, please at least use the correct wording and not your own interpretations:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

please tell me, which part of the bible was written or dictated or instructed to be written by Jesus?

[/quote:264aa]


Muhammad in Bible? Jesus said when warning of the false prophets who would arise and deceive many..
"So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the desert, do not go out;..." (Matthew 24:26)
Jesus was right on as usual when he described Muhammad from Mecca.

 

[TheStudent]

Habakkuk
3:3 God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran . Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.
3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
3:5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.

In fact This is a Clear Prophecy about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as he was the Only Prophet coming from "Mount of Paran" in Mecca..This is a Clear Verse.

Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)"

remember that jesus was called 'RABBI', a very Jewish title. He was speaking to his OWN people.

the mention of 'NATION' implies that the kingdom of God will be given to another people.

Let's look at what GOD Almighty said about Ishmael, the father of the Muslims: "And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. (From the KJV Bible, Genesis 17:19-21)"

The Jews were GOD Almighty's chosen people: "We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above the nations. (The Noble Quran, 45:16)"

But after they utterly failed with GOD Almighty and His Messengers (Not Moses ever liked their actions, nor Jesus ever liked them and their killings of the Prophets):

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"

"You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you. They are created now, and not long ago; you have not heard of them before today. So you cannot say, 'Yes, I knew of them.' You have neither heard nor understood; from of old your ear has not been open. Well do I know how treacherous you are; you were called a rebel from birth. For my own name's sake I delay my wrath; for the sake of my praise I hold it back from you, so as not to cut you off. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 48:6-9)"

"So I will disgrace the dignitaries of your temple, and I will consign Jacob to destruction and Israel to scorn. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 43:28)"

"But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall receive from my hand: You will lie down in torment. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 50:11)"

They became cursed, and GOD Almighty removed His Kingdom from them and gave it to another nation. That nation is non other than the "blessed" Muslims who came from the "blessed" Ishmael.

 

[Gary]

Muhammad in the Bible.... and other Muslim fairy-tales!

Habakkuk 3:3-5 God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran . Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.
3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
3:5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.

In fact This is a Clear Prophecy about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as he was the Only Prophet coming from "Mount of Paran" in Mecca..This is a Clear Verse.

Oh dear, more Islamic fairy-tales!

Mount Paran is the mountain-range forming the southern boundary of Canaan.