Job 1:1~~
1 There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.
New American Standard Bible
Job 1:8~~The LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job?
For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."......The greatest believer on the earth!!!!!
What is going on here Mike, is suffering for blessing. If this Is Jobs fault, what do you suppose the #2, #3 and #4 believer on earth went through!?! Why was Job So blessed at the end?
1 Peter 4:19 (NASB95)
19 Therefore, those also
who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.
As to permission?
Job 1:12~~
12 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him.” So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD.
Job 2:6~~
6 So the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your power, only spare his life.”
Job 42:10~~
10The LORD restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the LORD increased all that Job had twofold.
11Then all his brothers and all his sisters and all who had known him before came to him, and they ate bread with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversities that
the LORD had brought on him. And each one gave him one piece of money, and each a ring of gold.
Job never cursed God, He may have questioned things, but he never cursed God.
A Babe in Christ will never be tested like Job. But a person of Great faith and is well advanced in true doctrine and is spiritually mature may have the privilege to be tested like Job and bring ultimate glory to God.
Thank you Gr8grace3. My own son had terminal cancer, Wife left for another guy, all while I had been saved. No doubt the flood does come.
I'll try out of respect for your Word knowledge be brief. I'll let you examine on your own.
1) The Godly shall suffer persecution. There is persecution for the Word's sake. (Mark 4)
The devil is a butt head, no question. The Ungodly also suffer many things, but without God and without hope, unlike us. God is not responsible for any of it, but is our helper in time of need.
2) The Lord did not bring evil on Job. (Job 42:11) That is what they said. We know who brought the evil on Job.
Job 42:11 kjva Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and
they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
Job 1:16 kjva While he was yet speaking, there came also another,
and said,
The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Just because they said, and they comforted Job for evil God did, does not mean THEY is Correct. Satan brought the fire, and Satan murdered the kids.
A whole lot of things Job said is also not correct, but I won't post all those.
3) God never gave the devil permission to do anything.
Follow the conversation. Satan walks in, God asked if you have considered my servant Job. There is no man more upright than Job.
Satan says, (All Lies of course as there is ZERO truth in him (John 8:44)) Does Job serve God for nothing? You put your hands on Him God, hurt him real good and Job will Bless you back to your face. (Bless or Barak just means to acknolwedge back or salute back for something done)
Satan did not use any Hebrew word for Curse, He used the Word bless which means to salute back or acknowledge back for something done. Translated bless, blessed except in Job as I don't think the translators knew what to do with the Word.
Job 1:11 YLT The work of his hands Thou hast blessed, and his substance hath spread in the land, and yet, put forth, I pray Thee, Thy hand, and strike against anything that he hath--if not:
to Thy face he doth bless Thee!'
Job 1:10-11 kjv+ 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed (
BARAK) the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse (
BARAK) thee to thy face.
Job did exactly what Satan said he would do.
However, Satan is a liar, and wanted God to harm Job. God is not going to be tempted with evil or does God have anything to prove to a disobedient angel.
Since God said harming Job has no purpose or cause, and God was not going to harm Job. God said. (Job 2:3)
Pay attention, Job is in your power, don't kill him.
That is not a premissive statement. It just means pay attention, Job was already in the power of Satan. Job had done something to give the rat a place.
4)
Elihu remindes us God does not do wickedly, and renders to every man according to his way.
Having a mans children murdered who serves you is Wicked. At least here in Branson MO. You go to prison for doing that.
Job 34:11-12 kjv+ 11
For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways. 12 Yea, surely
God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.
Elihu tells us Job got according to his way, and God is not going to pervert his Word to save Job. He also tells us God would never have the mans kids killed, make Job sick and take all his stuff. That is wicked.
That tells us Job did something wrong to give the devil a place.
Eph 4:27 kjv+ Neither give place to the devil.
Satan's Theme to Job......... Curse God, then you die
It started with listening to the devil about his kids............ My Kids might have cursed God. So Job sacrificed for his kids out of fear of loss.
Satan had a place and attacked the day the kids got together to have a party.
Fear of loss, is not faith.
Satan brought the theme to God that He got a place to get Job........... Curse God.
Job's wife said Curse God and die..........
58 times it's written to FEAR NOT
48 Times it's written to BE NOT AFRAID
Be of good courage and so on.
Job tells us how the enemy got a place, and God will not pervert his own Word to stop the devil. Not now, not ever. God keeps His Word always.
Job 3:25 kjv+
For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.
Fear gives place to the devil seeking whom he may devour.
Now you know.
Be blessed.