Let's Unpack One Verse Here...

[eddif]

The natural pacemaker looks like a crucified man...
Interesting. Will check it out.

Isaiah 52:14 KJV
As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

When you look at the natural pacemaker:
1. The hands and feet look like roots (nails)
2. All his bones were out of joint
3. Head swollen from thorns and beard plucking
4. Line drawing (naked)
5. Life flowing out of side (pierced)

The AV and SA nodes are the head. Not really a pretty picture at all, but he suffered this for us.

eddif

 

[stovebolts]

Also, I like to always remind us that Jesus coming abolished the civil and ceremonial laws of the old testament... You have heard it said....And then He corrected the law.

He did not abolish the moral law...

Hi wondering

I can see how you would come to this conclusion, however, I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry. Let me see if I can try and explain.

In Matt 5, where I think those passages are coming from (5 -7), Jesus starts by saying that he did not come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it. Abolish means to distort scripture from its intent. In other words, 5-7 are correct interpretations of those hot topics of the day when it came to scriptural interpretations. Kinda like homosexuality is the hot topic of today.

Now then, the two schools of thought were that of Shemie and Hillel. Hillel was progressive and Shemie conservative. When Jesus says, you have heard it said, he is simply referring to how specific laws were being interpreted by different teachers. He then fulfills the law by giving the correct interpretation. This was also lived out in his life.

Elsewhere in scripture, when Jesus is asked, what do you say, they are asking who's teaching does he side with. Generally he took Hillel side and expanded with the exception of divorce where he took Shemie.

All that being said, I think covenant theology covers your misunderstanding. On the night of his betrayal, he instituted not only the Lords Supper, but he brought in the new covenant in His blood.

This is the covenant spoken by Jerimiah in chapter 31, verse 31. Isaiah also talks about this new covenant.

When you read the book of Hebrews, it's all about why the new covenant is better than the old covenant. Hence, no more sacrifices were needed.

When we are baptized into Christ, we enter into that covenant just like the Israelites entered into the first covenant at Mt. Sinia.

Hope that helps.

 

[eddif]

Joshua 10:13 KJV
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Trying to unpack this Joshua passage would be difficult without Jesus on the cross. Our enemies were defeated by the Father and Son being in sync.(or out of sync in one sense). Much of the time scripture is whispering truth, and we want something we can use our senses with. We want us at the forefront; when actually it is God who is at work.

eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conduction_system_of_the_heart

Hi Eddif,
I don't see it!
It's a beautiful idea however.
God does judge the heart, after all.

 

[eddif]

Hi Eddif,
I don't see it!
It's a beautiful idea however.
God does judge the heart, after all.

Not a problem.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conduction_system_of_the_heart

You really have to think political cartoon.
Symbolism is not direct at times. The hidden man of the heart is a line drawing.
Jesus was so beaten, bones pulled out of joint, beard pulled out, the nails in the wrists made the hands and fingers look like a plant root, the feet likewise were misshapen, etc.
That he really did not look like a man.

The head - look for 1 and 2 and is where the heartbeat is regulated.
The hands each touch an upper chamber.
The two feet on short legs touch lower chambers, the bowels of compassion reach out from the belly.

The desperately wicked heart needs the word associated with the suffering of Christ Jesus.

I told one person (8 times?). One day I walked in and heard (I got it). This is like shut up I see it now. Jesus in our heart is not with regal human outward adorning of gold etc.

Jesus is I Peter 2:24.

Did I say anything yet? Pointing is easier, but that is difficult online.

Things hidden from creation. Jesus Slain from the foundation of the earth. In us are symbols of things off in the future (at the time of creation).

I really have no help in this rather than the link.

Let me know if this helps.

eddif

 

[eddif]

The verse is Isaiah 60:1
Arise, shine;
For your light has come!.../

First word; Is this a command? A request? Intercession? What is this. Arise. To me, it has the ring of a command. A call to action? What's that mean? And to shine? How is a believer to shine? What's that mean?

It's a small verse.

When we discuss what we did under the law / do now under the new covenant, it is interesting.

Let us look at works under the law:
II Chronicles 7:14 KJV
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

No eternal benefit here. Especially if you look at verse 19-20
19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

So arise and shine is works under the law.

Reba's posted verse is really telling what God will do in the future. In the fullness of time Jesus will come
Then
Our doing shrinks to confessing sins and depending on the work Jesus did.

eddif

 

[eddif]

The light and the enlightment of the Spirit are similar, but one is external and the other is internal.

John 14:16 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The disciples saw the results of the light Jesus was, and that light entered them at Pentecost. The power allowed the miracles of Acts. Notice it says (he may abide with you forever). It does not say ( for just a time till things sort of get rolling). The empowered Jews got it, and the Gentiles did too.

The flames of fire emit light (as of fire). This is described in Acts, and not Genesis. I reckon I get pushy about this at times. I do symbolism, but symbols are not tre total reality. The reality of Jesus the quickening spirit is reality at the highest order. Tongues as of fire at Pentecost are transient and temporal (symbols).

The hidden man of the heart is not the reality of the Holy Spirit, but just a symbol of what takes care of our sins of the flesh.

The word in our mind I am not even discussing fully yet. The word in our mind is way harder to describe, because there is no temple in the New Jerusalem. Another discussion for another thread.

Rednecks must drink stump water / new wine.
eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

Matthew 5:17 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Fulfill:
First fruit - Jesus
Passover lamb - Jesus
Sabbath - we enter his rest
Holy day - day of the Lord

The mystical ox became the bishop doing his work (pay good preacher)

The natural pacemaker looking like a crucified man - hidden precious quickening Spirit directing our life. The desperately wicked and deceitful human heart needs the benefit of the word in our heart.

eddif

Fulfill = Make Complete
Jesus made complete all you mention above:
First fruits
Passover Lamb
Sabbath
Holy Day

 

[GodsGrace]

hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

The kingdom would have been established then and there would have been no church. God knew that the Jews would reject the kingdom. The reason why Jews rejected or stumbled, is so that salvation would come to the Gentiles and by the Gentiles, the Jews would be provoke to jealousy.

Romans 11:11, " I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles," . One might ask, why was it important that the Gentiles be saved? The later part of that verse answers why: For to provoke them to jealousy.

Verse 14 states ," If by any means, I may provoke to emulations them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Hi Dirtfarmer,
I've been thinking about this.
The above reminds me of
2 Peter 3:9 and also
1 Timothy 2:4

§God desires all to come to the knowledge of Him and be saved.
I also think of the Wedding Banquet. Mathew 22.

Romans 11
Paul is saying that God was upset with Israel because they thought only of themselves. David was also upset with Israel. The were self-serving. David wished they would get sick eating their food, and their eyes be closed forever.
But God has not abandoned Israel and a remnant has always remained.

It seems Paul felt that the Jews would eventually come to believe, as a people, thinking that maybe they missed out on something good that Jesus offered when they would see the gentiles come to believe in Jesus and the effect it would have on them.

So, yes, it was necessary for the Jews not to accept Jesus in order for the gentiles to be grafted in.
This was the plan of God all along (I would suppose). God's plan always must be realized.

Is this what you were saying??

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi wondering

I can see how you would come to this conclusion, however, I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry. Let me see if I can try and explain.

In Matt 5, where I think those passages are coming from (5 -7), Jesus starts by saying that he did not come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it. Abolish means to distort scripture from its intent. In other words, 5-7 are correct interpretations of those hot topics of the day when it came to scriptural interpretations. Kinda like homosexuality is the hot topic of today.

Now then, the two schools of thought were that of Shemie and Hillel. Hillel was progressive and Shemie conservative. When Jesus says, you have heard it said, he is simply referring to how specific laws were being interpreted by different teachers. He then fulfills the law by giving the correct interpretation. This was also lived out in his life.

Elsewhere in scripture, when Jesus is asked, what do you say, they are asking who's teaching does he side with. Generally he took Hillel side and expanded with the exception of divorce where he took Shemie.

All that being said, I think covenant theology covers your misunderstanding. On the night of his betrayal, he instituted not only the Lords Supper, but he brought in the new covenant in His blood.

This is the covenant spoken by Jerimiah in chapter 31, verse 31. Isaiah also talks about this new covenant.

When you read the book of Hebrews, it's all about why the new covenant is better than the old covenant. Hence, no more sacrifices were needed.

When we are baptized into Christ, we enter into that covenant just like the Israelites entered into the first covenant at Mt. Sinia.

Hope that helps.

StoveBolts
Thanks for taking the time to post the above.
I learned years ago that there are 3 types of Law.
I know it becomes much more complicated than what I said simply. I'm attaching a link that goes into it a little.
Not because I think you need it, but just to explain why it's complicated and difficult to get into. What is civil law? §What is ceremonial law? §What is moral law? How can we know for sure which is which?

However, I do believe that the civil and ceremonial laws, simply put, were abolished by Jesus OR changed by Him.
For example when He speaks of marriage and divorce - a certificate of divorce.
Deuteronomy 24:1-3
Mathew 5:31-32

Interesting what you said about the two teachers of the time. I had totally forgotten about them! So nice to be on this forum. Hillel and Shammai.

I'm not sure how Covenant Theology covers this. Do you believe the New Covenant does away with the old?
Some believe it does, and some believe it just builds on it.

Here's the link that tells a little about the difficulty about the 3 Laws:
https://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/subdividing-the-law-moral-civil-ceremonial/

 

[GodsGrace]

Not a problem.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conduction_system_of_the_heart

You really have to think political cartoon.
Symbolism is not direct at times. The hidden man of the heart is a line drawing.
Jesus was so beaten, bones pulled out of joint, beard pulled out, the nails in the wrists made the hands and fingers look like a plant root, the feet likewise were misshapen, etc.
That he really did not look like a man.

The head - look for 1 and 2 and is where the heartbeat is regulated.
The hands each touch an upper chamber.
The two feet on short legs touch lower chambers, the bowels of compassion reach out from the belly.

The desperately wicked heart needs the word associated with the suffering of Christ Jesus.

I told one person (8 times?). One day I walked in and heard (I got it). This is like shut up I see it now. Jesus in our heart is not with regal human outward adorning of gold etc.

Jesus is I Peter 2:24.

Did I say anything yet? Pointing is easier, but that is difficult online.

Things hidden from creation. Jesus Slain from the foundation of the earth. In us are symbols of things off in the future (at the time of creation).

I really have no help in this rather than the link.

Let me know if this helps.

eddif

Hi Eddif
1 Peter 2:24 is easier for me.
Everything you say about the heart being like Jesus is true however.
I remember when I was a new Christian I couldn't go to church sometimes during Easter because I'd get so sad I'd actually cry.
So I know what you're talking about.

We should always be so thankful when we consider what Jesus went through that evening, night and the next day just for each and every one of us who believe.

Thanks.

 

[Edward]

The light and the enlightment of the Spirit are similar, but one is external and the other is internal.

John 14:16 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The disciples saw the results of the light Jesus was, and that light entered them at Pentecost. The power allowed the miracles of Acts. Notice it says (he may abide with you forever). It does not say ( for just a time till things sort of get rolling). The empowered Jews got it, and the Gentiles did too.

The flames of fire emit light (as of fire). This is described in Acts, and not Genesis. I reckon I get pushy about this at times. I do symbolism, but symbols are not tre total reality. The reality of Jesus the quickening spirit is reality at the highest order. Tongues as of fire at Pentecost are transient and temporal (symbols).

The hidden man of the heart is not the reality of the Holy Spirit, but just a symbol of what takes care of our sins of the flesh.

The word in our mind I am not even discussing fully yet. The word in our mind is way harder to describe, because there is no temple in the New Jerusalem. Another discussion for another thread.

Rednecks must drink stump water / new wine.
eddif

That's a huge scripture if ya' think about it. He may abide with you forever, is true today then. There's no reason it wouldn't be. There's no reason to not search the OT for the info we need today, for God declares the end from the beginning. It's kinda weird how different people get fragments of the truth and only when Brothers & Sisters come together is the bigger picture painted, lol! Rightly divide the Word and all that.

You should start the word in our mind thread. That sounds like a valuable topic to discuss. Ever notice how that growing in the word is a lot like searching a shipwreck? A lot of debris, and a lot of gemstones and gold...

It occurs to me that trying to grow and become a more mature child of God is like trying to learn how to swim. It's like, got saved and then deposited on a beach by a river. Now swim...but I don't know how to swim, so I wade in up to my knees and now I can feel the currant. and it's powerful. I don't want to drown, but there are gems and gold in the river...a deeper understanding our Lord and who He is and the mysteries of the Kingdom, who we really are. Receiving salvation is not the end but the beginning!

 

[JLB]

So, Arise, Shine...stand up and shine. Apply the Words of the Lord to our life and begin walking in it. ??

Amen brother.



JLB

 

[eddif]

Hi Eddif
1 Peter 2:24 is easier for me.
Everything you say about the heart being like Jesus is true however.
I remember when I was a new Christian I couldn't go to church sometimes during Easter because I'd get so sad I'd actually cry.
So I know what you're talking about.

We should always be so thankful when we consider what Jesus went through that evening, night and the next day just for each and every one of us who believe.

Thanks.

I Peter 2:24 has two parts.
1.The external part about his stripes.
a. The healing of our bodies.
b. Other things?

2. The bearing of our sins in his body on the cross.
a. My God my God why have you forsaken me.
b other things.

We tend to want our body to shine before the day of shining.

We also want our mind not concentrating on what Jesus did. The sending of the light of the Godpel sure is a true reality light. Civil law judged him clean and able to be a fit sacrifice. The civil law did what a priest should have done (according to the law).

I do see all this darkly.
Romans 7:25

edfif

 

[twinc]

some don't half create problems and confusion for themselves and others by relying on their incorrect and false interpretations - the Bible speaks for itself simply and clearly and declares why it is written[Jn.20:31] and also whether and where and how all of it does not directly apply to us but can be and is necessary[2Tim 3:16] - twinc

 

[dirtfarmer]

Hi Dirtfarmer,
I've been thinking about this.
The above reminds me of
2 Peter 3:9 and also
1 Timothy 2:4

§God desires all to come to the knowledge of Him and be saved.
I also think of the Wedding Banquet. Mathew 22.

Romans 11
Paul is saying that God was upset with Israel because they thought only of themselves. David was also upset with Israel. The were self-serving. David wished they would get sick eating their food, and their eyes be closed forever.
But God has not abandoned Israel and a remnant has always remained.

It seems Paul felt that the Jews would eventually come to believe, as a people, thinking that maybe they missed out on something good that Jesus offered when they would see the gentiles come to believe in Jesus and the effect it would have on them.

So, yes, it was necessary for the Jews not to accept Jesus in order for the gentiles to be grafted in.
This was the plan of God all along (I would suppose). God's plan always must be realized.

Is this what you were saying??

hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

The Hebrew people didn't understand their standing in God's plan. In Exodus 19 we find that they were to be "a peculiar treasure", a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. Are they different from everyone else? yes, in that they were chosen by God to bring the Gentiles to an understanding about and of God.

In Romans 9:3 Paul makes this statement, in regard to his Jewishness: "according to the flesh" he could wish that he were accursed for his brethren, his kinsmen. Then he tells us what those things of the flesh that apply to the Israelites: v 4 " Who are Israelites: to whom pertaineth the adoption and the glory, and the covenants, the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises". In verse 5 " of whom concerning the flesh Christ came , who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen" All things concerning the Jews have to do with the flesh, not the Spirit.

God promised Abraham seed as "the sand of the sea"; these are those to whom the kingdom was promised: an earthly kingdom. He also promised Abraham seed as "the stars of the sky"; these are those that are Abraham's heavenly seed and of the heaven, The body of Christ.

God's earthly kingdom was not realized until Jacob( Israel) became the father of the 12 tribes. God's Spiritual, people that are to be the bride of Christ, came to be known after the resurrection of Christ, when Paul begin to preach the Church, the body of Christ. When we preach that "the bride of Christ" is "the kingdom of God" then we have confusion. The bride of Christ is heir and joint heirs with Christ, and will rule and reign with him in the earthly kingdom of God.

 

[Nathan]

hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

The Hebrew people didn't understand their standing in God's plan. In Exodus 19 we find that they were to be "a peculiar treasure", a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. Are they different from everyone else? yes, in that they were chosen by God to bring the Gentiles to an understanding about and of God.

In Romans 9:3 Paul makes this statement, in regard to his Jewishness: "according to the flesh" he could wish that he were accursed for his brethren, his kinsmen. Then he tells us what those things of the flesh that apply to the Israelites: v 4 " Who are Israelites: to whom pertaineth the adoption and the glory, and the covenants, the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises". In verse 5 " of whom concerning the flesh Christ came , who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen" All things concerning the Jews have to do with the flesh, not the Spirit.

God promised Abraham seed as "the sand of the sea"; these are those to whom the kingdom was promised: an earthly kingdom. He also promised Abraham seed as "the stars of the sky"; these are those that are Abraham's heavenly seed and of the heaven, The body of Christ.

God's earthly kingdom was not realized until Jacob( Israel) became the father of the 12 tribes. God's Spiritual, people that are to be the bride of Christ, came to be known after the resurrection of Christ, when Paul begin to preach the Church, the body of Christ. When we preach that "the bride of Christ" is "the kingdom of God" then we have confusion. The bride of Christ is heir and joint heirs with Christ, and will rule and reign with him in the earthly kingdom of God.

I think you may have missed Paul's explanation of Gods promise to Abraham.

Galatians 3:16 (ESV)
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

 

[dirtfarmer]

I think you may have missed Paul's explanation of Gods promise to Abraham.

Galatians 3:16 (ESV)
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

hello Nathan, dirtfarmer here

Genesis 13:16, " And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered." Is this talking about Christ?
Genesis 15:5 " And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven and tell the stars, if thy be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Genesis 17:9, " And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations."
Genesis 17:19, " And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed, and shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Are all these verses talking about the same seed as Galatians 3:16? As I understand the doctrine of the Kingdom mentioned by Jesus, while he was walking physically on this earth, there is an earthly kingdom which was given Abraham by promise from God and those verses are speaking of that kingdom. We, as believers that are espoused to Christ as his bride, will rule and reign with him over that earthly kingdom as heirs and joint heirs with him. As heirs and joint heirs we will have the same power as the bridegroom, when it come to ruling over that kingdom.

When concerning Galatians 3:16, the genealogy of Christ is traced back through Abraham, to the seed of the woman that will bruise the head of the serpent. The covenant that was confirmed 430 years before the law does not annul the "land grant" or earthly kingdom that was promised to Abraham.

 

[Nathan]

hello Nathan, dirtfarmer here

Genesis 13:16, " And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered." Is this talking about Christ?
Genesis 15:5 " And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven and tell the stars, if thy be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Genesis 17:9, " And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations."
Genesis 17:19, " And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed, and shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Are all these verses talking about the same seed as Galatians 3:16? As I understand the doctrine of the Kingdom mentioned by Jesus, while he was walking physically on this earth, there is an earthly kingdom which was given Abraham by promise from God and those verses are speaking of that kingdom. We, as believers that are espoused to Christ as his bride, will rule and reign with him over that earthly kingdom as heirs and joint heirs with him. As heirs and joint heirs we will have the same power as the bridegroom, when it come to ruling over that kingdom.

When concerning Galatians 3:16, the genealogy of Christ is traced back through Abraham, to the seed of the woman that will bruise the head of the serpent. The covenant that was confirmed 430 years before the law does not annul the "land grant" or earthly kingdom that was promised to Abraham.

Yes, Paul is quite clear that God was speaking about Christ. Here it is in the NKJV;

Gal 3:15-18
Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:22-23
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

Gal 3:26-29
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Christ is the seed, and all that have the faith of Abraham(which even predates Abraham - Heb 11) are apart of the promise - and the Kingdom(singular). Really, Hebrews lays this out in black and white.

 

[dirtfarmer]

Yes, Paul is quite clear that God was speaking about Christ. Here it is in the NKJV;

Gal 3:15-18
Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:22-23
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

Gal 3:26-29
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Christ is the seed, and all that have the faith of Abraham(which even predates Abraham - Heb 11) are apart of the promise - and the Kingdom(singular). Really, Hebrews lays this out in black and white.

hello Nathan, dirtfarmer here

I understand that faith "predates" Abraham. So, how can Abraham's faith predate him? We are told that it was "by faith" that Abel brough a more excellent sacrifice; it was a blood sacrifice, but was Abel's faith the "faith of Abraham"?

As to your points above, in the first one, where is the land grant to the nation of Israel, or don't you believe that land was promised to Abraham's seed(Israelites) thru Jacob( Israel)?

In your 2nd point, did the law come before faith? If so, what about "Noah" who built the ark because of faith in what God said?

In your 3rd point, when was the first time that any one was baptized into Christ? Was it before He was nailed to the cross and crucified? In Hebrews 11:5 it is stated; "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death:" Was his faith in the crucified Christ, the seed of Abraham?