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Leviticus 11

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Why were some foods banned by God? (Reference to Genesis 1:26 would be useful)
When did He un-ban them? (Without vague references to a New Covenant please)
What sort of 'bird' is a 'bat'? (References to 'inspired' would be appreciated)
What sort of winged insects walk on four legs? (Ditto)

Do you eat anything mentioned in Leviticus 11 and are you quite sure you should be? (With reference to Matthew 5:18)
 
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Acts 10:15
And the voice spoke to him again the second time, What God has cleansed, that call not you common.
 
The OP is by itself unclear...wish the intend could be made clearer
 
Why were some foods banned by God? (Reference to Genesis 1:26 would be useful)
When did He un-ban them? (Without vague references to a New Covenant please)
What sort of 'bird' is a 'bat'? (References to 'inspired' would be appreciated)
What sort of winged insects walk on four legs? (Ditto)

Do you eat anything mentioned in Leviticus 11 and are you quite sure you should be? (With reference to Matthew 5:18)

The ban on food in Leviticus 11 is either/or ceremonial and dietary.

The question shouldn't be "is a bat a bird" but rather "what is the definition of bird"?

The word "bird" here refers to any flying creature and certain insects.

"Four legs good, two legs bad". Many insects use four of their six legs to crawl with.

Why did God unban them?

Jesus made everything clean: Mark 7:19.
This is not a vague New Covenent response.
 
Thank you for those responses and the suggestions (open to interpretation). There is also Timothy 4:4 (open to interpretation).

Mark 7 seems to be the most interesting because so much has been inserted later in parenthesis and also that some words , from early manuscripts, have been removed. It clearly deals with ritual cleaning and the words that have been removed describe the cleaning of the couches. We can speculate on why they have been removed.

The point I am getting around to is that the 'clear' words are the in parenthesis words that have been added in later such as:
" 3(The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.****missing words go here****)

11But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God)

19For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”)

34He looked up to heaven and with a deep sigh said to him, “Ephphatha!” (which means, “Be opened!”)

Those words in parenthesis have clearly been added by someone as explanations. For example, Jesus' words in 19 were not clearly un-banning certain foods so someone has added in a 'clarification'. If we contrast these fairly vague words with the 100% clear banning in Leviticus, it does strike me that the un-banning in Mark 7 and anywhere else is simply an interpretation and not a clear instruction.

The words in parenthesis are pretty obviously not Mark's own original words. He is unlikely to have used words which, even then, would have required an inserted definition. It is rather like me using the word 'parenthesis' (meaning words in brackets) and then putting in an explanation as I just did - that is clearly a pretty silly way of writing. My conclusion is therefore that those words are not inspired and they should never have appeared in The Bible. Similarly, the words which have been removed, should never have been removed. I dare say this has been thoroughly researched already by someone; I was hoping to have someone point me in the direction of detailed theological studies into this oddity which appears to me to be flagrant vandalism.

That takes me back to Leviticus and why(?) were some foods banned. Ritual and ceremonial? - Maybe but why was that? Are we to assume that God simply changed his mind or are we not even to think about it at all? Should we just assume that the person who wrote those words in parenthesis wrote them at the behest of God because He realized that His spoken words were a bit vague and unclear? If God didn't want anyone to insert those words, why didn't He speak clearly in the first place?


As a side issue, if we are now allowed to eat and drink 'everything', that must include alcohol - as long as we give thanks first:praying.

Summary: Leviticus = crystal clear, everything else = stretched interpretation.

So, why did God ban those foods? Did He really give us dominion over all animals, then ban some of them, then un-ban everything? Any ideas why He would do such a thing?
 
"what is the definition of bird"?
Bird: A warm-blooded egg-laying vertebrate distinguished by the possession of feathers, wings, and a beak. Everyone knows that, so what sort of ignorance is it to call a bat a bird? Clearly not someone who was 'inspired'.

Many insects use four of their six legs to crawl with.
Interesting! Which ones are they? Again, God knew the answer so why let this get through to The Bible?

The point is that we should probably question Leviticus (etc) - as Jesus did (I regret the inclusion of the OT in The Bible). I am however currently trying to understand the 'un-ban' interpretations so I would rather concentrate on those if anyone can offer any extra information or suggestions.
 
Question to also ask is: are all stuff in the OT applicable to us today? :dunno :shrug :confused

the reason why God did some of the things He did is best known to HIM. Example, why is GOD called Jehovah? Why did He ask us to call Him Jehovah? There are some 'whys' of God that should be left the way they are...that if you try interpreting them you could put yourself into trouble or bring condemnation upon yourself.
 
I disagree Aardverk.

The Bible is the inspired Word of God.

Are we so equal with God that we can question whether or not He really inspired it?

Your reasoning leads to disbelief.
 
I disagree Aardverk.

The Bible is the inspired Word of God.

Are we so equal with God that we can question whether or not He really inspired it?

Your reasoning leads to disbelief.
Obviously I would never suggest here that The Bible is not the inspired word of God but it can not have escaped anyone's attention that the words of The Bible have been messed around with by MAN. If we blindly accept that everything written by MAN is to be accepted without question, what would ever give us a right to question things? How would we ever correct the thousands of errors that have appeared in bibles over the centuries?

It does not require us to be equal to God to question things written in The Bible, we are all very aware that much of what is written is very much subject to interpretation. There is no one single way of interpreting it otherwise there would only be one true church - and there is not. There are dozens, hundreds, of Christian churches and even more good people and churches on the fringes of Christianity.

My 'reasoning' certainly does not 'lead to disbelief', it leads only to reason. Those of us who cannot convince themselves that they have a personal relationship with God, do tend instead to have a personal relationship with reason.

It would be rather novel to stay on-topic.
 
Any Christian believer that keeps any part of the OT laws instantly falls out of grace with God. Furthermore you reject what Jesus did on the cross. The law was meant only for the Jewish up until the cross. If you break just one law, you break all 600 plus of them and you are promise the lake of fire.
 
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Obviously I would never suggest here that The Bible is not the inspired word of God but it can not have escaped anyone's attention that the words of The Bible have been messed around with by MAN. If we blindly accept that everything written by MAN is to be accepted without question, what would ever give us a right to question things? How would we ever correct the thousands of errors that have appeared in bibles over the centuries?

It does not require us to be equal to God to question things written in The Bible, we are all very aware that much of what is written is very much subject to interpretation. There is no one single way of interpreting it otherwise there would only be one true church - and there is not. There are dozens, hundreds, of Christian churches and even more good people and churches on the fringes of Christianity.

My 'reasoning' certainly does not 'lead to disbelief', it leads only to reason. Those of us who cannot convince themselves that they have a personal relationship with God, do tend instead to have a personal relationship with reason.

It would be rather novel to stay on-topic.

LOL! You're funny Aardverk!

I would say it would be "rather novel" if you stopped thinking of yourself as always being "right"!

As you said in post #6, "My conclusion is therefore that those words are not inspired and they should never have appeared in the Bible".

How can you pick and choose which words are inspired and which are not?

You opened the door to this line of questioning when you made this statement in post # 6.

Therefore, I am staying on topic.
 
Any Christian believer that keeps any part of the OT laws instantly falls out of grace with God. .........
Thou shalt not kill?
Thou shalt not steal?
Thou shalt not commit adultery?

Shalt I go on?


Matt 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.[NIV]

Does anyone think that 'everything is accomplished' yet?
 
LOL! You're funny Aardverk!

I would say it would be "rather novel" if you stopped thinking of yourself as always being "right"!
Does that mean that you do not think that you are 'right' or does it mean that you believe that you too are 'funny' for thinking that you are 'right'?

Romans 14:1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters [NIV]​

Now, who would have thought that anything was 'disputable'?
 
............There are some 'whys' of God that should be left the way they are...that if you try interpreting them you could put yourself into trouble or bring condemnation upon yourself.
Really? What makes you think that?
 
Thou shalt not kill?
Thou shalt not steal?
Thou shalt not commit adultery?

Shalt I go on?


Matt 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.[NIV]

Does anyone think that 'everything is accomplished' yet?
Because you are not a Christian you will fall under the law...all 600 plus of them including the Big Ten.
 
So, why did God ban those foods? Did He really give us dominion over all animals, then ban some of them, then un-ban everything? Any ideas why He would do such a thing?

To have dominion over does not mean 'eat' although it can include 'eat'. I would suggest the God never addressed 'eatting all the animals' until He 'banned' certain ones. I see a third of the question as being answered.
 
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1. Any Christian believer that keeps any part of the OT laws instantly falls out of grace with God. .........

2. Because you are not a Christian you will fall under the law...all 600 plus of them including the Big Ten.
Are you saying that, as a Christian, you do not have to keep to 'the big ten'? If you do, then you appear by definition 1 to have instantly fallen out of grace with God. If you do not have to abide by OT laws, does that give you freedom to break 'The Ten Commandments'?

If I have to abide by all 600 OT laws then I am meant to be going around killing people for all sorts of silly reasons. Is that what you think I should be doing - or would that indeed be 'silly'?

I believe that a little more thought is needed before claiming that Christians do not have to keep to The Ten Commandments.
 
There are things man will never know. If you are so curious..then wait until you ask HIM yourself when you get there.

Well, there's a surprise - Classik avoiding giving an answer yet again. :clap

Why bother to make an assertion and then completely fail to back it up? You know the relevant words - "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

Do you have anything on-topic to say?
 
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