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[_ Old Earth _] Life without God

Where in the bible does it say that God's unequivical fingerprint is there for all to see?

If it is, why don't you want science to keep looking in order to find it? Would that not be the ultimate proof if the theory of everything in fact included God?

Couldn't God's fingerprint simply be all of the universe itself (which many think), and not necessarily buried in the way it works? That is essentially the difference between what you and I believe now, so why get all caught up nick-picking over the doings of science?

I just don't remember where in the bible it says what you are claiming?
 
Some of the post on page 4 and 5 have been deleted because I found them to be flamming. :x
 
Thinkerman, the majority of this post was to address why God's finger print must be on creation. My simplest answer is because the Bible says so.
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You know, I find that funny. Just like ThinkerMan, I don't see God's fingerprint anywhere...just good ol' science. Can you give me an example, Brutus?
 
I don't seek such a finger print. I believe on faith, and that what God told us he did , he did.

Thinkerman or Asimov, you may have come across this in your days, but I don't know if keebs has. I'm fairly new to the concept, but you two may have looked into the following "idea" being proposed in the last Century or so. Have you two ever crossed the Idea of a "Divine Proportion." I'm brand new to the concept, but supporters of it claim that in much of nature we can see the similar "divine" proportion.

I'm not suggesting this concept will answer the "finger print" question, but I am curious if you two have any information on this concept, and keebs too if he has studied it.

And just for clarifications sake, are we looking for a definitive proof of God, or just a concept that necessitates God?
 
Are you talking about phi (the golden ratio)? The one used in the calculation for the (n+1)th Fibonacci number? Eh, it's not really divine or anything, it's just aesthetically pleasing to some people.
 
And just for clarifications sake, are we looking for a definitive proof of God, or just a concept that necessitates God?
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Either...if a concept necessitates God then that proves he exists.
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Thinkerman or Asimov, you may have come across this in your days, but I don't know if keebs has. I'm fairly new to the concept, but you two may have looked into the following "idea" being proposed in the last Century or so. Have you two ever crossed the Idea of a "Divine Proportion." I'm brand new to the concept, but supporters of it claim that in much of nature we can see the similar "divine" proportion. ?
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Divine proportion? Didn't the Greeks come up with that?? I seem to remember studying it in Art History.

Anyway...just because we see horsies and doggies in the clouds doesn't mean that Jesus is sculpting them.
 
Thinkerman or Asimov, you may have come across this in your days, but I don't know if keebs has. I'm fairly new to the concept, but you two may have looked into the following "idea" being proposed in the last Century or so. Have you two ever crossed the Idea of a "Divine Proportion." I'm brand new to the concept, but supporters of it claim that in much of nature we can see the similar "divine" proportion.
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Brutus:

There are a variety of numbers, phi among them, that are important to the way physics work.

Pi, the well known one you know, even has applications in quantum mechanics, if I recall.

The fact is math is numbers, and math is needed to explain physics (or at least represent it in a fashion we can understand).

Some of those numbers are whole numbers, some are irrational.

When you think about it, if physical laws do exist (I think we can agree they do) and if math explains them (again, I think we would agree) then certain specific numbers will explain specific phenominom.

Pi will always be the ratio between the circumference and diameter (unless you spin the circle at a high speed, at which point the theory of relativity says the ration will NOT be pi). 3.1459.....

Regardless, it is simply "a number". Maybe in other universes the ratio is 5.98324 or simply 3.000000.

I don't think you should ascribe any "mystical" properties to these numbers simply because they do an adaquate job of explaining physics. By definition, some number HAS to explain them, it might as well be phi, pi, e or the square root of 2.
 
As I said I'm still going research into that principle. I know of the artistic concept that "divine proportion is suspected to be dirived from. What is interesting is how this "proportion is said to show up in the Bible as well as in much of Nature. I'm still looking into this Idea, so I really can't provide further examples or explainations.
 
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