Local Flood Theory Calls God An Oath Breaker!

[jasoncran]

that is your opinion that isnt what the bible says, God if we accept the bible does judge, he doenst go of you murdered and ok i will let you in to heaven.And i think that those that he does slew are with him in heaven if they are a child to young to understand their actions,unless you think that heaven excludes newborns.

 

[Pard]

I can only suggest that this thread evidently does not apply to you. Being a very specific point (which you are still not seeing) also means that it doesn't apply to everyone. You do not believe the Bible is the Word of God, this is for people who do...

 

[coffeeelover]

that is your opinion that isnt what the bible says, God if we accept the bible does judge, he doenst go of you murdered and ok i will let you in to heaven.And i think that those that he does slew are with him in heaven if they are a child to young to understand their actions,unless you think that heaven excludes newborns.

God judging and murdering babies in an agonizing way is only one of the myriad of problems with taking the flood story as literal truth.

The other major problem is where did all the various people, races, languages, animals, plants come from if everything was destroyed 4000 years ago?

How can there be unbroken history in Egypt, China and other places that goes back 4000 years?

These obvious problems can't simply be ignored. They should be addressed if one seriously expects others to believe that 4000 years ago one guy built a really big boat and gathered animals from all over the planet to save them from a world wide flood.

 

[Pard]

CL,

Please do not bring up the flood debate here, stick the OP. Thank you.

 

[jasoncran]

i dont agree with the judgments of god,but he did create us. we do the same and call it good, that thing called abortion. we say that an woman has right to kill her baby as she can choose not to have it? who are we who kill our unborn any better then this God, when he states for the sins of the fathers and why he judges.


we dont operate on evidence, for the bible do we? i stated that problem for the christian. if i did that, i wouldnt be a christian as no logical evidence convinced me to repent.

jesus rebuked a man called thomas for that, he called blessed are that believed on me and havent seen me.

i have never met jesus in person, nor will till i die. or he comes for me. its by faith that i accepted him.

 

[coffeeelover]

i dont agree with the judgments of god,but he did create us. we do the same and call it good, that thing called abortion. we say that an woman has right to kill her baby as she can choose not to have it? who are we who kill our unborn any better then this God, when he states for the sins of the fathers and why he judges.


we dont operate on evidence, for the bible do we? i stated that problem for the christian. if i did that, i wouldnt be a christian as no logical evidence convinced me to repent.

jesus rebuked a man called thomas for that, he called blessed are that believed on me and havent seen me.

i have never met jesus in person, nor will till i die. or he comes for me. its by faith that i accepted him.

We do operate of evidence when someone says that 4000 years ago a literal event occurred. It has nothing to do with abortion. God didn't murder billions of people including babies by drowning 4000 years ago. If one wants me to believe that then a great deal of evidence is required. History goes back farther than when the flood occurred. Where did the people, races, languages, plants, so forth come from?

Jason your a smart guy. Not only does taking this story fly in the face of history, logic, science, but it just makes God out to be a really evil mean spirit. God didn't sentence babies to death by drowning.

It is a story not to be taken as literal history. It is meant to impart a lesson though metaphor.

 

[Pard]

I guess Jesus' death is maybe just a metaphor also?

As you are incapable of respecting the wishes of the OP I guess I ought to just help you understand the flood.

You are aware that language and cultures are because of God, right? Ever hear of Babel? Man decided to build a tower to reach Heaven, of course this would never happen, but it was their arrogance that ticked off God and He spread them all over the world and gave them different languages so they could not talk to one another. Before the flood everyone shared a single language, different languages did not come into play until AFTER the flood.

Also, how does the evolutionist take into account for different skin colors?

I am not sure I get the plant comment what so ever...

 

[jasoncran]

i disagree, he has killed men by fire, along with thier families.
why he did that i dont know.

that is debatable about the earth as some of the other creationists do believe in an older earth and yet still the flood.

i dont pretend to understand that , but that isnt in my realm of knowledge or it would be plainly stated that he didnt condemn them.

innocent persons die from drunks yet do we blame god for setting the laws of physics in motion? he allowed the deaths of innocents when placed that curse for sin upon all men.

i dont fear death, not since my repentance, i dont want to die, but i have my assurance where i will be.

theres this verse . it applies where theres no law theres no sin. did those babies know about the law? nope, so they died without sin therefore that is why i say that they are with him in heaven.

babies die in all manner of floods and natural disaster, while i dont think that god judges men like that anymore, he does allow that to happen. its also written for its appointed for all men to die then unto the judgment.

 

[coffeeelover]

I guess Jesus' death is maybe just a metaphor also?

As you are incapable of respecting the wishes of the OP I guess I ought to just help you understand the flood.

You are aware that language and cultures are because of God, right? Ever hear of Babel? Man decided to build a tower to reach Heaven, of course this would never happen, but it was their arrogance that ticked off God and He spread them all over the world and gave them different languages so they could not talk to one another. Before the flood everyone shared a single language, different languages did not come into play until AFTER the flood.

Also, how does the evolutionist take into account for different skin colors?

I am not sure I get the plant comment what so ever...

So when did the tower of Babel happen? Was it a thousand years after the flood? I ask this cause if everyone on the planet died in a flood except for one family it would take at quite a while for the population to increase to the point of being able to build a tower to heaven.

Also, how did people write in Chinese if there was only one language?

 

[coffeeelover]

i disagree, he has killed men by fire, along with thier families.
why he did that i dont know.

that is debatable about the earth as some of the other creationists do believe in an older earth and yet still the flood.

i dont pretend to understand that , but that isnt in my realm of knowledge or it would be plainly stated that he didnt condemn them.

innocent persons die from drunks yet do we blame god for setting the laws of physics in motion? he allowed the deaths of innocents when placed that curse for sin upon all men.

i dont fear death, not since my repentance, i dont want to die, but i have my assurance where i will be.

theres this verse . it applies where theres no law theres no sin. did those babies know about the law? nope, so they died without sin therefore that is why i say that they are with him in heaven.

babies die in all manner of floods and natural disaster, while i dont think that god judges men like that anymore, he does allow that to happen. its also written for its appointed for all men to die then unto the judgment.

With the flood it isn't that God just let them die. God sent to flood and purposely murdered the babies by drowning. That is a big difference IMHO.

 

[Pard]

I think you are trying to view this in the wrong way. It is sure sad when a person dies, but God created every single person, these are not our own bodies, they are His bodies. You cannot view God killing people and Hitler killing people with the same frame of mind.

 

[jasoncran]

again did he murder them?, he warned the parents that the flood was coming and that they could escape. they choose to allow them die.

he plainly told noah to warn all that the flood was a comin and that the lord would flood the earth and that none would live. these parents then let them die, the blame is on the parent as they choose not to accept the warning and to get on the boat and believe the warning.

You do believe that the parent can be held accountable for the treatment of the child. io do, and in this case they failed to act.

God clearly warned them with a hundred yrs in advanced.

 

[coffeeelover]

again did he murder them?, he warned the parents that the flood was coming and that they could escape. they choose to allow them die.

he plainly told noah to warn all that the flood was a comin and that the lord would flood the earth and that none would live. these parents then let them die, the blame is on the parent as they choose not to accept the warning and to get on the boat and believe the warning.

You do believe that the parent can be held accountable for the treatment of the child. io do, and in this case they failed to act.

God clearly warned them with a hundred yrs in advanced.

What about the people who lived on the other side of the world than Noah? He didn't tell them. And yes I think according to the myth that God murdered them.

 

[jasoncran]

thats the problem. the flood as described must have wiped out the entire population and that was most likely in the range of the man noah, and whos to say that noah didnt complete the boat in a yr or two and then went a preachin to the world.it was a 100 yr wait, so in that time could have traveled and warned the world before the flood actually occured.

 

[coffeeelover]

thats the problem. the flood as described must have wiped out the entire population and that was most likely in the range of the man noah, and whos to say that noah didnt complete the boat in a yr or two and then went a preachin to the world.it was a 100 yr wait, so in that time could have traveled and warned the world before the flood actually occured.

The story just gets more and more out there.

 

[Pard]

Here is another thing. In this time, before the flood, the world was a super continent. The flood split the continents to what we see today. So the entire world was not all that hard to get to, except the walking. Also, the Bible never says how far out the people had got from one another. Babel was when He spread them around the land, so they may have been close to one another before the flood.

 

[coffeeelover]

Here is another thing. In this time, before the flood, the world was a super continent. The flood split the continents to what we see today. So the entire world was not all that hard to get to, except the walking. Also, the Bible never says how far out the people had got from one another. Babel was when He spread them around the land, so they may have been close to one another before the flood.

Wow the things people have to believe in order to take the bible literally.

 

[Caroline H]

Coffeelover, if you're not going to contribute to this thread anything other than mockery of other peoples' beliefs or thoughts, then please stay out of this thread. If you don't believe it, fine, but don't make posts that have nothing to add to the discussion, that are designed only to insult someone. This is getting beyond old

 

[coffeeelover]

Coffeelover, if you're not going to contribute to this thread anything other than mockery of other peoples' beliefs or thoughts, then please stay out of this thread. If you don't believe it, fine, but don't make posts that have nothing to add to the discussion, that are designed only to insult someone. This is getting beyond old

I am not trying to insult anyone. The food is the most obvious myth in the bible. When I heard it as a kid it didn't include the hundred year part or continents being one. These are obvious changes to try and make it seem more
Believable, but they only make it more ludicrous. Rational adults shouldn't perpetuate cult like dogma.

Not believing in an obvious myth is not calling God a liar.

 

[Pard]

I am not trying to insult anyone.

Evidently you do not know the definition of insulting, because in the same paragraph that you said you are not insulting anyone you go on and add more insults...

The food is the most obvious myth in the bible.

I have never heard of the "food" myth, do tell!

These are obvious changes to try and make it seem more Believable

The continent thing is not in the Bible, it is one of the flood theories. You remember, I tried to have a discussion among fellow Christians and you had to come and derail my topic... you are good at that.

But no one is adding to the flood account. Science is explaining account. The Bible does not go into detail about the anything because there is no need too, but science is the study of God's creation and when scientists study it they often find things that go hand in hand with the Bible, but are not stated in the Bible.