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[_ Old Earth _] Logical reasons for ancient stories

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ThinkerMan said:
What bonus do you think I expect out of believing in evolution?

BTW, the reason why they are similar is because they both EVOLVED from Latin. As did French. Similarly, the multitude of Native American Languages can be traced to a handful of language families.

:smt115 Well,gee'......... could it be so you could feel guilt free
and so you could do as you pleased? Could it be you desire things
that the Bible says are wrong and immoral? Don't say you don't
because everyones flesh does. Thats why you have to make your
spirit stronger than your flesh,amen.
If what you say about language is true,we would have certainly been able to understand them all long before now. I don't see even one roman
connection to the French language at all. In fact.The French despised Rome at one point. Either way,we would have all understood each other
long ago if what you say was true,but it is not.
You chose to accept evolution because you felt it offered you the freedom
to get away with anything you wanted,yet,you will find that God exists,and
I hope it'll be long before judgement day.


 
SyntaxVorlon said:
Actually I'm calling you a Rastafarian. I suppose it was presumptuous of me to expect you to get the joke, but I still find it funny either way.

:P Syntax,I realize you have a sense of humor,and thats great,
but I'm really more like a Lollard in modern times.
 
You chose to accept evolution because you felt it offered you the freedom
to get away with anything you wanted,yet,you will find that God exists,and
I hope it'll be long before judgement day.

Blue, since you have such insight into my everyday actions, please tell me the sins I commit on a daily basis.

I would find you clairvoyance fairly interesting.

What do I want to "get away with"? What terrible atrocities do you believe I committ?

Come on, you said it. Now state what actions you think I do because of my evolutionary "freedom".
 
ThinkerMan said:
You chose to accept evolution because you felt it offered you the freedom
to get away with anything you wanted,yet,you will find that God exists,and
I hope it'll be long before judgement day.

Blue, since you have such insight into my everyday actions, please tell me the sins I commit on a daily basis.

I would find you clairvoyance fairly interesting.

What do I want to "get away with"? What terrible atrocities do you believe I committ?

Come on, you said it. Now state what actions you think I do because of my evolutionary "freedom".
:smt034 There is no real freedom in evolution at all.
I'm not aware of all your sins,but I will tell you this,I believe
what the bible says about why people claim there is no God.
It is the fool who says in his heart that there is no God.
That makes great sense to me.
You remind me of Inspector Clouseau on "The Pink Pather Stikes again."
He solved everything he had to do but he took the long way around.
You'll no doubt return to God but in the mean time,your just fumbling
around and messin' things up.
 
blueeyeliner said:
There is no real freedom in evolution at all.

Uuuuumm....right...because evolution has strict doctrine, eh?

I'm not aware of all your sins

Then don't go claiming that you know anything about him.

but I will tell you this,I believe
what the bible says about why people claim there is no God.
It is the fool who says in his heart that there is no God.

Coming from someone who believes anything the Bible says, no matter how inane, I'm not surprised.

That makes great sense to me.
You remind me of Inspector Clouseau on "The Pink Pather Stikes again."
He solved everything he had to do but he took the long way around.
You'll no doubt return to God but in the mean time,your just fumbling
around and messin' things up.

It's not the way you do things that matter, it's the results you get from them. Inspector Clouseau may have been bumbling, but he has a good heart, and always solves the case.
 
The Tuatha'an said:
It's not the way you do things that matter, it's the results you get from them. Inspector Clouseau may have been bumbling, but he has a good heart, and always solves the case.

:rofl:
:P The Holy Bible is not strict doctrine,it's common sense,and
anyone who thinks the bible is strict truly must have no self control.
Saying that I believe that Thinkerman will be saved proves my point.
He is like the inspector in the sense he is is missing so much at first
but in the end it turns out o.k.
Also,this is really none of your business.
He has no right to make judgements and neither do you.
You have no freedom with your religious based TOE.
You cannot have any freedom knowing your life is purposeless!
Evolution teaches that life is a cruel struggle for survival,and it's
very racist and sexist to an extreme. It's far worse than what you
accuse the Holy God of Abraham,Isaac & Jacob of being.,and more
invisible too,to top it all off.
If you cannot help the way you behave,and you blame it all on your
evolution beliefs for why you are the way you are,then you probably don't believe you'll even be held accountable for all the things that you do.
Don't mess with God's chosen people if you know whats good for you.
The good thing about ThinkerMan is that he at least makes an attempt
at trying to understand things. You on the other hand don't show even
the slightest hint at wanting to better yourself.
 
blueeyeliner i just love your posts :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :-D :-D :-D
 
You cannot have any freedom knowing your life is purposeless!
Evolution teaches that life is a cruel struggle for survival,and it's
very racist and sexist to an extreme.
Once again blue, you don't understand evolution enough to know what philosophical positions can be derived from it, were one in the business of deriving such things.
The first sentence just doesn't make any sense at all, it doesn't follow that life without independent reason --> no freedom.

Next, evolution doesn't teach anything of the sort. All evolution says is that animals with traits that help them live long enough to have children will pass on those traits. That's it. It doesn't make any value judgements about the worth of animals or humans survival. And it doesn't have anything to say on sexual or racial issues.

If you cannot help the way you behave,and you blame it all on your
evolution beliefs for why you are the way you are,then you probably don't believe you'll even be held accountable for all the things that you do.
Don't mess with God's chosen people if you know whats good for you.
Once again you go about presuming things you have no way of knowing, stop discriminating against nonchristians.

I have yet to say anything about the jews, why are you bringing them up?
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
Once again you go about presuming things you have no way of knowing, stop discriminating against nonchristians.

I have yet to say anything about the jews, why are you bringing them up?

:wink: Personally, I wouldn't have a non-christian as a close friend,
because bad company spoils good habits. I have some friends at a distance who are worldly,but I don't get too close to them.
I didn't bring up the jew's,though my Grandma was jewish. God's chosen
as you well know are all of God's children who are jew & gentile,amen.
Anyone who desires to study TOE will learn as I did how looney tunes the
whole thing is,and why the excuse of having "so many Gaps"are there.
I'd much rather be with the true christians.
 
What is so "looney tunes" about evolution? Elaborate on that sentence with respect to the things in life we can prove, not the bible. I've been reading your posts, and you often claim to have studied evolution and know what it is about, yet anyone who knows anything about evolution can read your posts and tell you're either lying, or the only versions of evolution you know about are the straw men versions that most creation websites build up and attack.
 
keebs said:
What is so "looney tunes" about evolution? Elaborate on that sentence with respect to the things in life we can prove, not the bible. I've been reading your posts, and you often claim to have studied evolution and know what it is about, yet anyone who knows anything about evolution can read your posts and tell you're either lying, or the only versions of evolution you know about are the straw men versions that most creation websites build up and attack.

:smt038 "Great Performance" Bravo'!
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
Evolution teaches that life is a cruel struggle for survival,and it's
very racist and sexist to an extreme.
Once again blue, you don't understand evolution enough to know what philosophical positions can be derived from it, were one in the business of deriving such things.

:sleeping: Don't believe in the philosophies of unsaved men!!!
If I don't understand evolution,then you couldn't possibly understand
christianity.You don't even know that evolution came out of religion.
 
keebs said:
What is so "looney tunes" about evolution? Elaborate on that sentence with respect to the things in life we can prove, not the bible. I've been reading your posts, and you often claim to have studied evolution and know what it is about, yet anyone who knows anything about evolution can read your posts and tell you're either lying, or the only versions of evolution you know about are the straw men versions that most creation websites build up and attack.

http://www.origins.org/articles/johnson_unraveling.html
http://www.gennet.org/facts/lutheran.html
please use your eyes and read easy to understand information.
:wink:
 
Blueeyeliner...

While I appreciate your backhanded compliments (LOL) I have a few points....

Saying that I believe that Thinkerman will be saved proves my point.
He is like the inspector in the sense he is is missing so much at first
but in the end it turns out o.k.

While I appreciate your optimism, I remain doubful (though I appreciate the comparison to Peter Sellers, one of the greatest character actors of all time).

He has no right to make judgements and neither do you

And neither do you. There is a difference about HOW we make judgements Blue. We, at least I, try to make judgements based on the quality of your argument. You often resort to character judgements, ignoring the argument we made and instead going for the jugular.

Criticizing a logical fallacy is not judgement, making personal accusations is.

You cannot have any freedom knowing your life is purposeless!
Evolution teaches that life is a cruel struggle for survival,and it's
very racist and sexist to an extreme. It's far worse than what you
accuse the Holy God of Abraham,Isaac & Jacob of being.,and more
invisible too,to top it all off.

It is not better.

It is not worse.

It is simply more accurate.

Yes, at time life is hard a difficult and the lotttery of life deals you a crappy hand (especially if you aren't lucky enough to be borne in a modern country). We make no apologies for the turns of chance and nature, we simply accept them as life.

Yes, the four hurricanes that hit Florida are horrible. But that happens on earth, has happened for millions of years, and will happen again. It's life, you just accept it.

What is so sexist and racist about Evolution? Keeping the human animal out of it (since we as a species no longer follow purely natural selection laws), what in the animal kingdom is so racist or sexist? How does evolution make that the case?

If you cannot help the way you behave,and you blame it all on your
evolution beliefs for why you are the way you are,then you probably don't believe you'll even be held accountable for all the things that you do.

Sure I do. If I mess up and break the law, I'm relatively sure I'll get caught and punished. If I mess around on my wife, I stand the chance of getting a disease or having a baby with the woman.

There are real, identifyable consequences to this life. We simply don't believe that there are AFTER this life.

The good thing about ThinkerMan is that he at least makes an attempt
at trying to understand things. You on the other hand don't show even
the slightest hint at wanting to better yourself.

Blue, watch out for the pine tree in your eye.

You rarely show an inclination to learn more about what I, or other non-believers, think about things.

You very rarely ask questions, and they are never aimed at what we believer, but rather to try and bolster one of your own points.

I am probably one of the few athiests here that throw you a bone and ask a lot of questions. But mainly it is because I hope by answering them you will realize some of the errors in your theories and theology.

Sometime, however, I think you type your answers too fast to place any substantial logical thought behind them. They are simply talking points you've memorized and spout back at any question.
 
ThinkerMan said:
I am probably one of the few athiests here that throw you a bone and ask a lot of questions. But mainly it is because I hope by answering them you will realize some of the errors in your theories and theology.

Sometime, however, I think you type your answers too fast to place any substantial logical thought behind them. They are simply talking points you've memorized and spout back at any question.

:smt018 Thinkerman, you like to throw as many meaningless
questions around as you can in the hopes that I will answer them all so
you will have more time to come up with more silly answers. I love the
appearance of the intellectual touch that you seem to think you are
adding to the debate,yet it is very shallow.
I'm sorry if this offends you,but intellects wouldn't choose another man
made story and accept it as real,they would know better than that.
Life may be a series of random chances to you,but thats not what I see.
Yes,the rain does fall on the good and the bad,but life could not evolve
simply on it's own,and there is just no questioning it unless you just
cannot accept the fact that God does exist.
The God of the Holy Bible is frightening to you,and like many others who
are afraid of God because you know you cannot measure up,you don't
stop and realize that running from him is wrong.
If you want to grow up and be a mature,and responsible adult,you must
first accept the fact that you cannot control your world,no more than you
can anyone else's. Preaching evolution as a fact when there are none is
telling lies and it is also an attempt to mislead others into the same misery
that you must be in. Evolution contradicts nature,and it's as plain as the
nose on your face. You wish so desperately that evolution happened,yet
it did not,but you refuse to see that. You want a fairytale more than truth.
Nothing + Nothing = Nothing.
You cannot honestly expect any rational person to believe in that silly stuff
and if you do,you may want to ask yourself why?
Why would you claim evolution as a proven fact when even scientists don't
do that?
Who made you judge of right and wrong and is correct in the
world from what is not. Just because you make broad claims doesn't mean
anyone else has to accept them. You really messed up trying to look really
smart when you let it be known that you believe in evolution in my honest
opinion. This just lets me know how limited you are.
 
blueeyeliner said:
keebs said:
What is so "looney tunes" about evolution? Elaborate on that sentence with respect to the things in life we can prove, not the bible. I've been reading your posts, and you often claim to have studied evolution and know what it is about, yet anyone who knows anything about evolution can read your posts and tell you're either lying, or the only versions of evolution you know about are the straw men versions that most creation websites build up and attack.

http://www.origins.org/articles/johnson_unraveling.html
http://www.gennet.org/facts/lutheran.html
please use your eyes and read easy to understand information.
:wink:

You cannot call something "looney tunes" and claim it isn't right because it goes against your religion. As far as empirical data is concerned, evolution exists and your God doesn't. And besides, a first glance at the origin.org site will tell you that they are discussing darwinism, and darwinism is no longer viewed as whole or complete. The theory of evolution has evolved since Darwin...
 
ThinkerMan said:
The good thing about ThinkerMan is that he at least makes an attempt
at trying to understand things. You on the other hand don't show even
the slightest hint at wanting to better yourself.

Blue, watch out for the pine tree in your eye.

:smt038 Believing in evolution will make fast friends,but it is fiction.
I'd rather believe in reality,amen. If thats judging someone,then we are all
judges!
 
Too bad thinkerman's reality is based on evidence, observation, and science, and your reality is based on a book of fairy tales...
 
keebs said:
You cannot call something "looney tunes" and claim it isn't right because it goes against your religion. As far as empirical data is concerned, evolution exists and your God doesn't. And besides, a first glance at the origin.org site will tell you that they are discussing darwinism, and darwinism is no longer viewed as whole or complete. The theory of evolution has evolved since Darwin...
:smt035 Well why didn't you just tell me that you are one of the few
who have passed Darwin?
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/
 
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