Bible Study looking at the bible from a hebrew mindset

[jasoncran]

ok since to my knowledge im only jew in the congregation. i tend to look at the bible from my hebrew culture. i wasnt raised in the temple but i have been led by the lord to spend time in the tanach. when i was saved i was told by the saints to read John. the Lord stopped me and told me to hit genesis as that is my roots. this has changed my perspective and often sets me at odds with some in the church.

most in the church dont really dig into the word.

 

[tim-from-pa]

I hear you, buddy. I guess I'm a strange type of Gentile myself as my bible study leads me more and more to Hebraic roots as well and as you well know. I truly think many worship "Jesus in a vacuum" not understanding the OT foundation but believe in him only because they were told that as opposed to coming to that conclusion themselves. Consequently, it could very well be "another Jesus" that Paul warned about.

Here's a gift for you my friend. It's a free download. I downloaded this onto my Nook and can also be read on a computer (.pdf file). I now take my nook to bible study classes instead of an actual Bible. I like this translation, and you will see why.

http://www.coyhwh.com/en/bible.php

 

[wayseer]

ok since to my knowledge im only jew in the congregation. i tend to look at the bible from my hebrew culture. i wasnt raised in the temple but i have been led by the lord to spend time in the tanach. when i was saved i was told by the saints to read John. the Lord stopped me and told me to hit genesis as that is my roots. this has changed my perspective and often sets me at odds with some in the church.

most in the church dont really dig into the word.

The Jewish Study Bible - basically the Tanakh - there is no NT. It has heaps of study aids and an extensive commentary. I have it close by all the time. It over 2000 pages so that should keep you busy for a while.

 

[jasoncran]

i have a tanach. im talking about the culture and using oral traditions. not all of that is bad.

 

[jasoncran]

yes, tim i can see why. hmm i was actually planning to learn hebrew and ask my family where i could go.my aunt , a consertive jew, is going to church.

 

[eddif]

i have a tanach. im talking about the culture and using oral traditions. not all of that is bad.

I will have a lot of trouble making this not sound bad any way i go. I do not want it to be negative, because i have a special interest in the Jewish roots. I have had three times that people have given me prophecy about my relationship with Jewish things:
I would become a priest (Jewish i think)
You have been called to the Jews (why?)
A very recent one mentioned the priesthood in a way that is beyond the (you are a chosen generation a royal priesthood).

This is a bible study thread area. How do we discuss oral traditions on a bible study thread? (how do I ask this?) Would you start a bible related blog thread?

Will you mention the oral traditions you want to discuss?

Still wondering how to approach this.

eddif

 

[jasoncran]

im a jew and God told me years ago not to read John when i started in the bible. that is why. oral traditions are also mentioned by paul and also jesus. ye have heard it said is a teaching by the rabbis that needed to be addresssed.

i can as i go along.

 

[wayseer]

Interesting that as a Jew you are a subscriber to a Christian thread. Nothing wrong with that I hasten to add - I'm just interested.

 

[jasoncran]

im not of the jewish faith but like paul and so forth.

theres one thing i saw in that link that tim from pa said. they are using the kaballah to point out that salvation is the word for messiah! lol that is my point.

 

[wayseer]

Thank you.

 

[eddif]

im not of the jewish faith but like paul and so forth.

theres one thing i saw in that link that tim from pa said. they are using the kaballah to point out that salvation is the word for messiah! lol that is my point.

While a lot of my thoughts developed before i was aware of the kaballah (and I have never spent much over an hour in kaballah study); it is a little scary to find that some of my thoughts run in roughly parallel lines. After an idea develops in my mind a search often shows that others have been to the same thoughts before.

I just always try and use restraint in letting my mind run wild. Just because I have 12 pair of cranial nerves, i do not need to use all of them without care. Some of my nerves need to be cut off (put to death ?). We need to train our senses to discern the will of God. Even these statements may be similar to oral traditions, but i do want the mind of Christ and be led by the Holy Spirit (not another christ and just a spirit).

I always try and use ruach ha-kodesh guidance.

I was really open on this post. PM me if you want to use restraint in what you are openly posting.


eddif

 

[jasoncran]

i am able to know the difference as when i read the stuff the spirit usually shows me or when i talk to others they correct me. the picto graphic language is useful and is the gemetria. this predates Jesus and was in use by John(666) comes the gemetria not some new thing and its very specific.

the letters in hebrew mean things

aleph means the bull, he is strong and power and mighty

the letter pe is[video]http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/kabbala_toons/default_cdo/aid/884983/jewish/The-Power-of-Peh.htm[/video] interesting. found it while looking

i will ask a friend on el -shaddai is represented. i have forgotten.

 

[eddif]

I sure appreciate the NT allowing us to train the natural senses to discern the will of God.

His reigning in us is the only way that our natural senses will ever be under any form of subjection. Thank goodness that he knocks at the door of our life and comes into us. The word of God made flesh is the way we have energy to become what we should be. The word made flesh is what we need. His having a meal with us is sure the way change comes.

I wonder how much of this I fully understand. From 1977 till now is a long time to be involved with a prophecy about priesthood. The church is a priesthood that prays first for our own sins and then the sins of others. Bud, flower and fruit. As the church we need to progress to the point we become what we are supposed to be.

Aaron became more and more who he needed to be. Did he still make mistakes? Sure. Do we? Well yes. Priesthood is not the only way to see Jesus and his church. He is a shepard of sheep etc. To see Aaron interceding for the sins of Israel is progress. May we bud, flower and bear fruit of the Holy Spirit.


eddif

Ok so now get a glimmer of how I fit into this whole discussion. Of course since I usually read verly little outside the OT & NT some folks would think I have a deep background in wisdom literature.

We had a pastor come from Denver and taught on this subject about 6 months ago. He had read Repenting of Religion by Greg Boyd. In the book he teaches that in the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we try to put ourselves above others, by knowing the difference between good and evil. If we were to live out of the tree of life, we will ascribe worth to others, not seeing thier faults, but looking at them through the eyes of God. I believe this was the original plan for our lives from God. The teaching has changed my life.

My knowledge of these things came from Bible study and life experience insight, but then I am not the only person around that goes down trails. [/QUOTE]

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I posted the following out of life experience. I heard a challenge for teachers to use cross discipline teaching (but the speakers did not have a hint as to instructions on how to do it). The following post is what I finally saw as a method to use strengths in one subject to help in another. I did skim read a book on lateral thinking that probably helped formulate the concept statements.

You sound ok to me.


History just needs math to be understood. I probably need your help getting this all worked out. History is just a social math problem. PEMDAS (order of operations) should help. Exponents applied to events help understand what is going on. If you are talking of a drought of seven years length, you have to decide on how bad a drought. A drought to the 7th power is a severe drought. The seven years might have an exponent itself (there might been a plague of locusts just before those seven years). When you group all the people and circumstances with math problem operations you start to get the hang of what is going on.

Some teachers do not realize that higher math and history go together, and as history is taught it should be tied to new math skills being learned.

Math, English, Social Studies, Chemistry, are all just sentences written with differing symbols. What you learn in the Math classroom should help you in English. I get in a little trouble with English teachers comparing a conjunction with addition / multiplication; but whatever works. A predicate nominative is the total after the being verb is.

If any of this seems like a candle burning, we will try and turn it into a lamp.

eddif

So are these statements like an eddif oral tradition?

i have a tanach. im talking about the culture and using oral traditions. not all of that is bad.

So when I talk about hydrodynamic oil films and stress in poorly engineered bearings, most want to know where I got the information. So is this kind of equal to oral tradition when I speak to the subject, or is it magic arts?

I want to stay on my Jewish Jesus telling us to baptise in the name of the Father ; the Son; and the Holy Spirit.
Know the Father (best revealed in Jewish literature about repentance).
Know the Son (best revealed the study of salvation---- OT prophecy and in Paul's revelation).
Know the Holy Spirit (best revealed by study of everything the Spirit did and is doing).

The gentiles do the very thing the law requires showing the law is written on their hearts. So i guess i wind up as a gentile, being involved in many Jewish things (not knowing how i really got there).

I wonder if i said what i wanted to say?

eddif

 

[jasoncran]

the son is revealed in the tanach as YHWH, and also myriads of charachters. theres also idioms that most uneducated gentiles and even jews miss. ie moses talked to God face to face. doesnt mean he saw god when he talked to him like we do today. or the fact that eye for and eye isnt literally meant to be what it taught today. its an idiom meaning to asses the damage done to you and then decide the price.

yet none of that is mentioned in the torah. its taught in oral traditions which is commentary. if you want to reach devout jews you may find it better to use their words to show the messiah. i have. it went better.

 

[eddif]

Jason

I want to thank you for starting this thread. As often when I seek; I start to find.


Your title "looking at the bible from a hebrew mindset" has all of a sudden shown me what may be going on with the gentiles.

Our title "Looking at the bible from a gentile mindset"

No wonder there is a wall between the Jews and Gentiles (I realize the physical wall that was in the temple). The mental wall is sure upon us today. The Baptists have their oral traditions. The Presbyterians have theirs. etc, etc. There sometimes is little agreement between some of the gentiles (just like the Jewish writings have favorite authors, and some of them differ). The use of numbers for Hebrew letters has what, 75 different formulas?

So while you look at the hebrew mindset; I guess i will look for my own oral tradition mindset (when I talk of human anatomy, I run a great risk of being off).

See what you be done started. LOL

eddif

 

[jasoncran]

its not that i think we should do it that way. but if you dont bother to learn about the very culture that jesus was in and spoke to USING their terms., you miss the entire things so many have seen.,

marriage feasts of the jews and the rapture.

it changed for me when i saw the pic of my grandfather at his wedding and looked it up. jesus is speaking clearly of that and using its terms as a metaphor to show what the lord is going to be doing for us when he returns. merely a glimpse.

 

[eddif]

I hope to be done with my little hyper spell. I will do my best to chill. I had been looking for the metaphysical wall for a long time. Now that the wall is partially opened i will probably start a blog and go back into the woodwork.

Sorry about the outward thinking.

eddif

 

[jasoncran]

its not for causing a division. i wasnt asked to do this but TOLD. some will see it others wont. thats fine. frankly i find the tanach more in depth at times the new testament. they feed each other.

gentiles do think different because jews had a culture aroung their God when they did the torah. we really dont have that. we have greek thinking in schools and take that to the bible. the greeks see the world differently. God choose the hebrews to reveal himself and used their culture to do it. Our God is a Jewish God.

 

[By Grace]

In a subsequent post,you mentioned reading the Kaballah. STAY AWAY FROM IT

it is a book of Jewish mysticism, and has nothing to do with the Bible. Stick with Scripture, especially since you seem to be a new believer.

I will have a lot of trouble making this not sound bad any way i go. I do not want it to be negative, because i have a special interest in the Jewish roots. I have had three times that people have given me prophecy about my relationship with Jewish things:
I would become a priest (Jewish i think)

You may want to read Galatians. it is a book about Judiazing, which is a heresy. Some of the Galatians believed that to be a Christian, you first needed to be Jew first, then "graduate" to Christianity. Christians are saved and kept in the faith by grace (hence my user name) and until you spend more tine in the Word and are awe struck by the grace of God despite the magnitude of your sins, it is very easy to be led astray. Do you have any Bible study with members of your church? EVERY CHRISTIAN needs to be involved with a Bible Study group, especially in the early years of salvation.

You have been called to the Jews (why?)

I have NO idea why you are seeking to have someone else be a channel of God's will for you by seeking to someone be a "prophet" for you. If God wants you to dp something, He will CLEARLY tell you, and it will be unmistakable.

A very recent one mentioned the priesthood in a way that is beyond the (you are a chosen generation a royal priesthood).

AGAIN you are listening to voices other than God. On so many levels that is flat-out wrong! On a persona level, it seems to me that you are susceptible to the message of a cult, and having looked at several of your posts here, but responding to this one, I believe that you are not attached to a solid Bible believing church. Do you know hoow to find a good Bible-believing church?

Call the church, and tell him that you are thinking of attending that church, and you then ask if he will answer just one short question.
"Do you believe the Bible to be wholly inspired by God, and infallible in the original manuscripts (autographa)
Anything other than an unqualified "Yes" means that it is not a Bible-believing church.

This is a bible study thread area. How do we discuss oral traditions on a bible study thread? (how do I ask this?) Would you start a bible related blog thread?

Will you mention the oral traditions you want to discuss?

Traditions are not bad by themselves. But if there is no Biblical purpose for them, they are worthless.


Stick to the Bible. It is our only rule for both the faith and practice.

Do you know that Madonna is a follower of the Kaballah? Are you a fan of hers? :p

 

[jasoncran]

madonna doesnt follow the caballah. sheesh. the orthodox jews are anti- gay rights and abortion. and also sexual purity and they use the caballah. so please. 666 my friend is from the gemetria and its very specific and its in the bible. it lines up with a name.
(nero).
i know when to stop, the use of numbers and pictographic words via the letters is all that i do.

i dont read the zohar, i dont believe in the idea of the tsakkadim as taught by the orthodox.nor in other things.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/142442/jewish/Purifying-Waters.htm

nothing in there about madonna's view of sex with anything that moves. she got into the sounds and mysticsm of that, which they do but if she did do that right she would not be the way she is.