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- The frequency of the first names is quite clear!These verses don’t say stoop up?
- Easy to see who is taking the lead!
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Job 21
But I know that they do not control their own prosperity.
The thinking of the wicked is far from me.
How often is the lamp of the wicked extinguished?
How often does disaster come upon them?
How often does God deal out destruction to them in his anger?
Do they ever become like straw before the wind
And like chaff that a storm wind carries away?
- We see many questions from Job!
- He is perplexed!
- He is lost because of his personal situation!
- He had a normal life!
- And now everything is upside down and he doesn’t know why!
- Who wouldn’t feel the same in such a situation!
- Especially when you feel alone!
Job 21
But I know that they do not control their own prosperity.
The thinking of the wicked is far from me.
How often is the lamp of the wicked extinguished?
How often does disaster come upon them?
How often does God deal out destruction to them in his anger?
Do they ever become like straw before the wind
And like chaff that a storm wind carries away?
- We see many questions from Job!
- He is perplexed!
- He is lost because of his personal situation!
- He had a normal life!
- And now everything is upside down and he doesn’t know why!
- Who wouldn’t feel the same in such a situation!
- Especially when you feel alone!
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Job 21
God will store up a man’s punishment for his own sons.
But may God repay him so that he will know it.
May his own eyes see his ruin,
And may he be the one to drink from the rage of the Almighty.
For what does he care about what happens to his house after him
If the number of his months is cut short?
- Job expresses his incertitudes!
- But once again it tells about his own feelings!
- About his stress!
- As he can’t communicate anymore to God, that’s how he expresses himself!
- But he tells how much he needs such communication!
- That’s why it is unbearable!
- It is like breathing and eating and drinking and sleeping!
- When you have a routine, it is difficult not to have it!
- And for Job, his relationship is like a routine!
- But a positive one!
- Something which makes you stronger each day!
Job 21
God will store up a man’s punishment for his own sons.
But may God repay him so that he will know it.
May his own eyes see his ruin,
And may he be the one to drink from the rage of the Almighty.
For what does he care about what happens to his house after him
If the number of his months is cut short?
- Job expresses his incertitudes!
- But once again it tells about his own feelings!
- About his stress!
- As he can’t communicate anymore to God, that’s how he expresses himself!
- But he tells how much he needs such communication!
- That’s why it is unbearable!
- It is like breathing and eating and drinking and sleeping!
- When you have a routine, it is difficult not to have it!
- And for Job, his relationship is like a routine!
- But a positive one!
- Something which makes you stronger each day!
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183) Looking for Job
Job 21
Can anyone teach knowledge to God,
When He is the one who judges even the highest ones?
One man dies in his full vigor
When he is completely carefree and at ease,
When his thighs are padded with fat
And his bones are strong.
But another man dies deeply distressed,
Never having tasted good things.
Together they will lie down in the dust,
And maggots will cover both of them.
- A man can have a good or bad life!
- But for Job one thing is clear!
- When a man dies, his end will be the same: dust and maggots!
- Before, he was looking for death!
- Because for him it was a relief!
- But now he doesn’t say that anymore!
- Only that death is the same for all people that is the void!
Job 21
Can anyone teach knowledge to God,
When He is the one who judges even the highest ones?
One man dies in his full vigor
When he is completely carefree and at ease,
When his thighs are padded with fat
And his bones are strong.
But another man dies deeply distressed,
Never having tasted good things.
Together they will lie down in the dust,
And maggots will cover both of them.
- A man can have a good or bad life!
- But for Job one thing is clear!
- When a man dies, his end will be the same: dust and maggots!
- Before, he was looking for death!
- Because for him it was a relief!
- But now he doesn’t say that anymore!
- Only that death is the same for all people that is the void!
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184) Looking for Job
Job 21
Look! I know exactly what you are thinking
And the schemes you devise to wrong me.
For you say, ‘Where is the house of the prominent man,
And where is the tent in which the wicked one lived?’
Have you not questioned travelers?
Do you not carefully study their observations,
That an evil person is spared on the day of disaster
And rescued on the day of fury?
Who will confront him about his way,
And who will repay him for what he has done?
When he is carried to the graveyard,
A vigil will be kept over his tomb.
The clods of earth of the valley will be sweet to him,
And all mankind follows after him
Like the countless number before him.
So why offer me meaningless comfort?
There is nothing but deceit in your answers!”
- According to Job’s experience, the wicked one thrives !
- Thus the men who are speaking to him are wrong !
- They are not helpful at all !
- Thus they should keep silent !
- But sometimes someone’s presence is better than words !
- Dogs don’t speak but their presence can do a lot !
- But empty words don’t bring comfort !
Job 21
Look! I know exactly what you are thinking
And the schemes you devise to wrong me.
For you say, ‘Where is the house of the prominent man,
And where is the tent in which the wicked one lived?’
Have you not questioned travelers?
Do you not carefully study their observations,
That an evil person is spared on the day of disaster
And rescued on the day of fury?
Who will confront him about his way,
And who will repay him for what he has done?
When he is carried to the graveyard,
A vigil will be kept over his tomb.
The clods of earth of the valley will be sweet to him,
And all mankind follows after him
Like the countless number before him.
So why offer me meaningless comfort?
There is nothing but deceit in your answers!”
- According to Job’s experience, the wicked one thrives !
- Thus the men who are speaking to him are wrong !
- They are not helpful at all !
- Thus they should keep silent !
- But sometimes someone’s presence is better than words !
- Dogs don’t speak but their presence can do a lot !
- But empty words don’t bring comfort !
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185) Looking for Job
Job 23
Job said in reply:
“Even today I will complain stubbornly;
My strength is exhausted because of my sighing.
If only I knew where to find God!
I would go to his place of dwelling.
I would present my case before him
And fill my mouth with arguments;
I would learn how he would answer me
And take note of what he says to me.
- complain stubbornly : Job can only complain !
- It means to keep being alive !
- Or feeling alive !
- He is looking for God !
- He wants to speak to God !
- And defend himself in front of him !
- But he is also ready to listen to God !
- And take into account his opinion !
Job 23
Job said in reply:
“Even today I will complain stubbornly;
My strength is exhausted because of my sighing.
If only I knew where to find God!
I would go to his place of dwelling.
I would present my case before him
And fill my mouth with arguments;
I would learn how he would answer me
And take note of what he says to me.
- complain stubbornly : Job can only complain !
- It means to keep being alive !
- Or feeling alive !
- He is looking for God !
- He wants to speak to God !
- And defend himself in front of him !
- But he is also ready to listen to God !
- And take into account his opinion !
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186) Looking for Job
Job 23
Would he contend with me using his great power?
No, surely he would give me a hearing.
There the upright one could set matters straight with him,
And I would be acquitted once and for all by my Judge.
- Job knows his relationship to God!
- That’s why he is sure that God would listen to him!
- He knows that God won’t condemn him!
- Job has always thought that way!
- And he is not going to change !
Job 23
Would he contend with me using his great power?
No, surely he would give me a hearing.
There the upright one could set matters straight with him,
And I would be acquitted once and for all by my Judge.
- Job knows his relationship to God!
- That’s why he is sure that God would listen to him!
- He knows that God won’t condemn him!
- Job has always thought that way!
- And he is not going to change !
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Job 23
But if I go east, he is not there;
And I return and I cannot find him.
When he is working on the left, I cannot look upon him;
Then he turns to the right, but I still do not see him.
But he knows the path I have taken.
After he has tested me, I will come out as pure gold.
- When you have a special relationship with someone, you get energy and strength and power from it !
- It is vital !
- You can’t live without it !
- Imagine what happens when this relationship interrupts abruptly !
- It is like a stroke !
- The devil knows perfectly what he does when he does it !
- The violence is unbelievable !
- Destructive !
- And Job knows he is tested and refined to become pure gold !
Job 23
But if I go east, he is not there;
And I return and I cannot find him.
When he is working on the left, I cannot look upon him;
Then he turns to the right, but I still do not see him.
But he knows the path I have taken.
After he has tested me, I will come out as pure gold.
- When you have a special relationship with someone, you get energy and strength and power from it !
- It is vital !
- You can’t live without it !
- Imagine what happens when this relationship interrupts abruptly !
- It is like a stroke !
- The devil knows perfectly what he does when he does it !
- The violence is unbelievable !
- Destructive !
- And Job knows he is tested and refined to become pure gold !
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Job 23
My feet have closely followed his footsteps;
I have kept to his way without deviating.
- His footsteps, his way!
- Closely and without deviating!
- It is probably difficult to understand what Job says here because we live in a superficial world!
- Job lives in a deep world!
- He is an upright man of integrity!
- fearing God and shunning what is bad!
- He is afraid of his children to sin against God in their heart!
- Many people probably can’t understand what it means because we live in a superficial world!
- And it is difficult to go deep inside!
- It requires hard work!
- And they will miss the trial!
- Job knows what he speaks about!
Job 23
My feet have closely followed his footsteps;
I have kept to his way without deviating.
- His footsteps, his way!
- Closely and without deviating!
- It is probably difficult to understand what Job says here because we live in a superficial world!
- Job lives in a deep world!
- He is an upright man of integrity!
- fearing God and shunning what is bad!
- He is afraid of his children to sin against God in their heart!
- Many people probably can’t understand what it means because we live in a superficial world!
- And it is difficult to go deep inside!
- It requires hard work!
- And they will miss the trial!
- Job knows what he speaks about!
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Job 23
I have not departed from the commandment of
his lips.
I have treasured up his sayings even more
than what was required of me.
- “the commandment of his lips”!
- It tells about the kind of relationship between God and Job!
- From mouth to ear!
- Absolutely not superficial!
- but deep inside!
- And hard work!
- Something highly valuable!
- Exceptional and thus difficult to understand for human beings!
- “I have treasured up his sayings”!
- Who treasures God’s word like Job?
- The difference between superficiality and depth!
- “Even more than what was required of me”!
- A level far beyond what normal human beings can reach!
Job 23
I have not departed from the commandment of
his lips.
I have treasured up his sayings even more
than what was required of me.
- “the commandment of his lips”!
- It tells about the kind of relationship between God and Job!
- From mouth to ear!
- Absolutely not superficial!
- but deep inside!
- And hard work!
- Something highly valuable!
- Exceptional and thus difficult to understand for human beings!
- “I have treasured up his sayings”!
- Who treasures God’s word like Job?
- The difference between superficiality and depth!
- “Even more than what was required of me”!
- A level far beyond what normal human beings can reach!
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Job 23
When he is determined, who can resist him?
When he wants to do something, he does it.
For he will carry out completely what has been
determined for me,
And he has many such things in store.
- In fact, very few faithful servants of God could prevent him from directly destroying the Israelites or acting in their favor!
- At the end they had to pay the price for their foolishness!
- Regarding Job, it is the devil!
- Regarding Job, the devil is in a rage!
- And he is ready to do anything that God tolerates him to do against Job!
- And the devil is in a rage against those who stay faithful!
- And he always wants more followers!
- He has never enough!
Job 23
When he is determined, who can resist him?
When he wants to do something, he does it.
For he will carry out completely what has been
determined for me,
And he has many such things in store.
- In fact, very few faithful servants of God could prevent him from directly destroying the Israelites or acting in their favor!
- At the end they had to pay the price for their foolishness!
- Regarding Job, it is the devil!
- Regarding Job, the devil is in a rage!
- And he is ready to do anything that God tolerates him to do against Job!
- And the devil is in a rage against those who stay faithful!
- And he always wants more followers!
- He has never enough!
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Job 23
That is why I am anxious because of him;
When I think about him, my fear grows.
God has made me fainthearted,
And the Almighty has made me afraid.
- Yes, Job is anxious!
- But it is because of the devil!
- Yes, his fear grows!
- But it is because of the devil!
- Yes, he is fainthearted!
- But it is because of the devil!
- Yes, the devil has made him afraid!
- The devil has a lot of responsibility!
- And he keeps working hard!
- To help people opposing God!
- And destroying the relationship between God and Job!
- And destroying the relationship between God and us!
- And the stronger the better, like in the case of Job!
Job 23
That is why I am anxious because of him;
When I think about him, my fear grows.
God has made me fainthearted,
And the Almighty has made me afraid.
- Yes, Job is anxious!
- But it is because of the devil!
- Yes, his fear grows!
- But it is because of the devil!
- Yes, he is fainthearted!
- But it is because of the devil!
- Yes, the devil has made him afraid!
- The devil has a lot of responsibility!
- And he keeps working hard!
- To help people opposing God!
- And destroying the relationship between God and Job!
- And destroying the relationship between God and us!
- And the stronger the better, like in the case of Job!
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192) Looking for Job
Job 23
But I have not yet been silenced by the darkness
Nor by the gloom that has covered my face.
- But Job is still fighting!
- And he is not ready to do it!
- In fact, God knows Job!
- But the devil doesn’t know him!
- How could he know him?
- To really know someone, you need a personal relationship!
- And a deep one, not a superficial one!
- But it is hard work!
- No hard work, no deep personal relationship!
Job 23
But I have not yet been silenced by the darkness
Nor by the gloom that has covered my face.
- But Job is still fighting!
- And he is not ready to do it!
- In fact, God knows Job!
- But the devil doesn’t know him!
- How could he know him?
- To really know someone, you need a personal relationship!
- And a deep one, not a superficial one!
- But it is hard work!
- No hard work, no deep personal relationship!
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193) Looking for Job
Job 24
“Why does the Almighty not set a time?
Why do those who know him not see his day?
- The devil strikes Job again and again !
- And Job doesn’t see the end of it !
- It is really hard when you are in trouble and it seems it will never end !
- Of course, man is able to endure again and again !
- Men usually adapt to adversity !
- He is supposed to be flexible !
- But there is a limit !
- A mental and physical one !
- It is different for each individual according to his own experience !
Job 24
“Why does the Almighty not set a time?
Why do those who know him not see his day?
- The devil strikes Job again and again !
- And Job doesn’t see the end of it !
- It is really hard when you are in trouble and it seems it will never end !
- Of course, man is able to endure again and again !
- Men usually adapt to adversity !
- He is supposed to be flexible !
- But there is a limit !
- A mental and physical one !
- It is different for each individual according to his own experience !
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194) Looking for Job
Job 24
People move boundary markers;
They carry off flocks for their own pasture.
They drive away the donkey of fatherless children
And seize the widow’s bull as security for a loan.
They force the poor off the road;
The helpless of the earth must hide from them.
- Job tells us about injustice on earth!
- He doesn’t see any justice at all!
- Usually people say there is a justice for the rich and another for the poor!
- The Bible is full of such examples!
- Real justice belongs to God!
- We can’t expect real justice in this world!
- It’s difficult to define man’s justice!
- It is made by men who are partial and who knows partially!
- We can only wait for God’s world and see what is real justice!
Job 24
People move boundary markers;
They carry off flocks for their own pasture.
They drive away the donkey of fatherless children
And seize the widow’s bull as security for a loan.
They force the poor off the road;
The helpless of the earth must hide from them.
- Job tells us about injustice on earth!
- He doesn’t see any justice at all!
- Usually people say there is a justice for the rich and another for the poor!
- The Bible is full of such examples!
- Real justice belongs to God!
- We can’t expect real justice in this world!
- It’s difficult to define man’s justice!
- It is made by men who are partial and who knows partially!
- We can only wait for God’s world and see what is real justice!
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195) Looking for Job
Job 24
The poor forage for food like wild donkeys
in the wilderness;
They seek food in the desert for their children.
They must harvest in another’s field
And glean from the vineyard of the wicked.
- Job is in trouble so he can see injustice!
- When he was fine, he would do his best to help all kinds of people!
- Of course, it’s different when you can see injustice through your body and your brain!
- People are in trouble all around the world!
- It can happen to any of us at any time!
- Usually there is no alarm!
- When there is an alarm it’s another story!
- It’s like global warming and other stuff!
- We know it’s happening!
- Of course, there are always crazy people saying nothing is happening!
- And most of the time we wait when we are in trouble!
- It’s always difficult for men to react before getting into trouble!
- That’s why we need God’s world to take actions and to be told to take actions and do the right things at the right time!
Job 24
The poor forage for food like wild donkeys
in the wilderness;
They seek food in the desert for their children.
They must harvest in another’s field
And glean from the vineyard of the wicked.
- Job is in trouble so he can see injustice!
- When he was fine, he would do his best to help all kinds of people!
- Of course, it’s different when you can see injustice through your body and your brain!
- People are in trouble all around the world!
- It can happen to any of us at any time!
- Usually there is no alarm!
- When there is an alarm it’s another story!
- It’s like global warming and other stuff!
- We know it’s happening!
- Of course, there are always crazy people saying nothing is happening!
- And most of the time we wait when we are in trouble!
- It’s always difficult for men to react before getting into trouble!
- That’s why we need God’s world to take actions and to be told to take actions and do the right things at the right time!
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196) Looking for Job
Job 24
They spend the night naked, without clothing;
They have no covering for the cold.
They are drenched by the mountain rains;
They cling to the rocks for lack of shelter.
The fatherless child is snatched away from the breast;
And the garments of the poor are taken as security for a loan,
Forcing them to go about naked, without clothing,
And hungry, as they carry the sheaves of grain.
- There is a lot of misery in the world!
- There are wars!
- Diseases!
- The list is long!
- Science was supposed to solve all the problems!
- But is it really different?
- Violence, crimes!
- We are more numerous on earth!
- And we bring more trouble!
- We are consuming all resources faster and faster!
- We poison the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat!
- Species disappear faster and faster!
- Do we want to stay alone on earth!
- We need so many things yet we destroy them!
Job 24
They spend the night naked, without clothing;
They have no covering for the cold.
They are drenched by the mountain rains;
They cling to the rocks for lack of shelter.
The fatherless child is snatched away from the breast;
And the garments of the poor are taken as security for a loan,
Forcing them to go about naked, without clothing,
And hungry, as they carry the sheaves of grain.
- There is a lot of misery in the world!
- There are wars!
- Diseases!
- The list is long!
- Science was supposed to solve all the problems!
- But is it really different?
- Violence, crimes!
- We are more numerous on earth!
- And we bring more trouble!
- We are consuming all resources faster and faster!
- We poison the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat!
- Species disappear faster and faster!
- Do we want to stay alone on earth!
- We need so many things yet we destroy them!
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197) Looking for Job
Job 24
They toil among the terrace walls in the heat of the day;
They tread the wine presses, yet they go thirsty.
The dying keep groaning in the city;
The fatally wounded cry for help,
But God does not regard this as improper.
There are those who rebel against light;
They do not recognize its ways,
And they do not follow its paths.
The murderer rises at daybreak;
He slays the helpless and the poor,
While at night he engages in theft.
The eye of the adulterer waits for the twilight,
Saying, ‘No one will see me!’
And he covers his face.
In the darkness they break into houses;
By day they shut themselves in.
They are strangers to the light.
For morning is the same as deep darkness for them;
They are familiar with the terrors of deep darkness.
But they are swiftly carried away by the waters.
Their portion of the land will be cursed.
They will not return to their vineyards.
Just as drought and heat take away the melted snow,
The Grave takes away those who have sinned!
His mother will forget him; the maggot will feast on him.
He will be remembered no more.
And unrighteousness will be broken just like a tree.
He preys on the barren woman,
And mistreats the widow.
God will use his strength to do away with the powerful;
Though they may rise up, they have no assurance of life.
God lets them become confident and secure,
But his eyes are on everything they do.
They are exalted for a little while, then they are no more.
They are brought low and gathered like everyone else;
They are cut off like heads of grain.
Now who can prove me a liar
Or refute my words?”
- Thirsty / dying / fatally wounded / murderer / helpless / poor / darkness / terrors!
- Man’s world is a world of injustice!
- Who cares!
- In this old world, injustice is such a power that it absorbs everything!
- And it can strike anybody both the rich and the poor!
- And yet we know nothing!
- We are just a point in the universe!
- We are just nothing!
- Whatever we do we stay ignorant!
- The grave is for everybody!
- May God turn this old and ridiculous world into his new world!
- May we have the opportunity to work hand in hand with God!
Job 24
They toil among the terrace walls in the heat of the day;
They tread the wine presses, yet they go thirsty.
The dying keep groaning in the city;
The fatally wounded cry for help,
But God does not regard this as improper.
There are those who rebel against light;
They do not recognize its ways,
And they do not follow its paths.
The murderer rises at daybreak;
He slays the helpless and the poor,
While at night he engages in theft.
The eye of the adulterer waits for the twilight,
Saying, ‘No one will see me!’
And he covers his face.
In the darkness they break into houses;
By day they shut themselves in.
They are strangers to the light.
For morning is the same as deep darkness for them;
They are familiar with the terrors of deep darkness.
But they are swiftly carried away by the waters.
Their portion of the land will be cursed.
They will not return to their vineyards.
Just as drought and heat take away the melted snow,
The Grave takes away those who have sinned!
His mother will forget him; the maggot will feast on him.
He will be remembered no more.
And unrighteousness will be broken just like a tree.
He preys on the barren woman,
And mistreats the widow.
God will use his strength to do away with the powerful;
Though they may rise up, they have no assurance of life.
God lets them become confident and secure,
But his eyes are on everything they do.
They are exalted for a little while, then they are no more.
They are brought low and gathered like everyone else;
They are cut off like heads of grain.
Now who can prove me a liar
Or refute my words?”
- Thirsty / dying / fatally wounded / murderer / helpless / poor / darkness / terrors!
- Man’s world is a world of injustice!
- Who cares!
- In this old world, injustice is such a power that it absorbs everything!
- And it can strike anybody both the rich and the poor!
- And yet we know nothing!
- We are just a point in the universe!
- We are just nothing!
- Whatever we do we stay ignorant!
- The grave is for everybody!
- May God turn this old and ridiculous world into his new world!
- May we have the opportunity to work hand in hand with God!
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198) Looking for Job
Job 26
Job says in reply:
“How you have helped the one with no power!
How you have saved the arm that has no strength!
What great advice you have given to the one lacking wisdom!
How freely you have revealed your practical wisdom!
To whom are you trying to speak,
And who inspired you to say such things?
- Job has spent his life helping others!
- So we can say he is an expert in the field!
- Moreover, he is old!
- So he has been doing it for quite a lot of time!
- So he can easily recognize people when they have no experience in the field!
- And the way the three individuals act shows they have no experience!
- And in the case of Job they are of no help at all!
- On the contrary!
- They oppose him!
- And above all, the last question is in fact not a question but an assertion!
- They are another tool of the devil to destroy Job!
Job 26
Job says in reply:
“How you have helped the one with no power!
How you have saved the arm that has no strength!
What great advice you have given to the one lacking wisdom!
How freely you have revealed your practical wisdom!
To whom are you trying to speak,
And who inspired you to say such things?
- Job has spent his life helping others!
- So we can say he is an expert in the field!
- Moreover, he is old!
- So he has been doing it for quite a lot of time!
- So he can easily recognize people when they have no experience in the field!
- And the way the three individuals act shows they have no experience!
- And in the case of Job they are of no help at all!
- On the contrary!
- They oppose him!
- And above all, the last question is in fact not a question but an assertion!
- They are another tool of the devil to destroy Job!