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Looking for Job

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The life of Job demonstrates that humans are often unaware of the many ways God is at work in the life of each believer. Job’s life is also one that prompts the common question, “Why do bad things happen to good people?” It is the age-old question, and difficult to answer, but believers know that God is always in control, and, no matter what happens, there are no coincidences—nothing happens by chance. Job was a believer; he knew that God was on the throne and in total control, though he had no way of knowing why so many terrible tragedies were occurring in his life.


Job was "blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil" (Job 1:1). He had ten children and was a man of great wealth. The Bible tells us that one day Satan presented himself before God and God asked Satan what he thought of Job. Satan accused Job of honoring God only because God had blessed him. So, God allowed Satan to take away Job’s wealth and his children. Later, God allowed Satan to afflict Job physically. Job grieved deeply but did not charge God with wrongdoing (Job 1:22; 42:7–8).


Job’s friends were certain that Job must have sinned in order to deserve punishment and argued with him about it. But Job maintained his innocence, though he confessed that he wanted to die and did ask questions of God. A younger man, Elihu, attempted to speak on God’s behalf before God, Himself, answered Job. Job 38—42 contain some of the most stunning poetry about the magnitude and might of God. Job responded to God’s discourse in humility and repentance, saying he had spoken of things he did not know (Job 40:3–5; 42:1–6). God told Job’s friends that He was angry with them for speaking falsehoods about Him, unlike Job who had spoken truth (Job 42:7–8). God told them to offer sacrifices and that Job would pray on their behalf and God would accept Job’s prayer. Job did so, likely forgiving his friends for their harshness himself. God restored Job’s fortunes two-fold (Job 42:10) and "blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part" (Job 42:12). Job lived 140 years after his suffering.


Job never lost his faith in God, even under the most heartbreaking circumstances that tested him to his core. It’s hard to imagine losing everything we own in one day—property, possessions, and even children. Most men would sink into depression and perhaps even become suicidal after such massive loss. Though depressed enough to curse the day of his birth (Job 3:1–26), Job never cursed God (Job 2:9–10) nor did he waver in his understanding that God was still in control. Job’s three friends, on the other hand, instead of comforting him, gave him bad advice and even accused him of committing sins so grievous that God was punishing him with misery. Job knew God well enough to know that He did not work that way; in fact, he had such an intimate, personal relationship with Him that he was able to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face” (Job 13:15). When Job’s wife suggested he curse God and die, Job replied "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" (Job 2:10).


Job’s plight, from the death of his children and loss of his property to the physical torment he endured, plus the harangue of his so-called friends, never caused his faith to waver. He knew who his Redeemer was, he knew that He was a living Savior, and he knew that someday He would physically stand on the earth (Job 19:25). He understood that man’s days are ordained (numbered) and they cannot be changed (Job 14:5). The spiritual depth of Job shows throughout the book. James refers to Job as an example of perseverance, writing, "Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy" (James 5:10–11).


There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14). The book mentions dinosaurs—not by that name, but the description of the behemoth is certainly dinosaur-like—living side by side with man (Job 40:15–24).


The book of Job gives us a glimpse behind the veil that separates earthly life from the heavenly. In the beginning of the book, we see that Satan and his fallen angels are still allowed access to heaven, going in and out to the prescribed meetings that take place there. What is obvious from these accounts is that Satan is busy working his evil on earth, as recorded in Job 1:6–7. Also, this account shows how Satan is “the accuser of the brethren,” which corresponds to Revelation 12:10, and it shows his arrogance and pride, as written in Isaiah 14:13–14. It is amazing to see how Satan challenges God; he has no scruples about confronting the Most High. The account in Job shows Satan as he truly is—haughty and evil to the core.


Perhaps the greatest lesson we learn from the book of Job is that God does not have to answer to anyone for what He does or does not do. Job’s experience teaches us that we may never know the specific reason for suffering, but we must trust in our sovereign, holy, righteous God. His ways are perfect (Psalm 18:30). Since God’s ways are perfect, we can trust that whatever He does—and whatever He allows—is also perfect. We can’t expect to understand God’s mind perfectly, as He reminds us, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8–9).


Our responsibility to God is to obey Him, to trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. When we do, we will find God in the midst of our trials—possibly even because of our trials. We will see more clearly the magnificence of our God, and we will say, with Job, “My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you” (Job 42:5).
 
  • Job knew God well enough to know that He did not work that way; in fact, he had such an intimate, personal relationship with Him that he was able to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face” (Job 13:15).

  • The spiritual depth of Job shows throughout the book. James refers to Job as an example of perseverance, writing, "Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy" (James 5:10–11).

  • There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14).

  • He is the only man of whom Yah·weh said: there is no one like him on earth!

  • No man has faced such a trial!

  • He is the example of faithfulness!
 
- Someone said:

But people don't have faith and don't believe

- This is not something new!

- It’s a choice!

- They have free will!

- It’s the same with corruption!

- Why did Solomon, who had much wisdom, end up turning away from Yah.weh and prostituting himself with the false gods of all his women?

- He made his choice!
 
The book of Daniel

https://exchangeviewsonthebible.quora.com/

https://thebookofdaniel.quora.com/
https://thebookofsamuel.quora.com/
Job 13:9 (first question)

“Would it be well when he examined you?”

- Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar have already given their first speeches!

- It is Chapter 13 out of 42 chapters meaning we have reached one third of the whole book!

- And for Job, everything is clear!

- He understands them perfectly!

- And his conclusion is premonitory!

- “Would it be well when he examined you?”

- It is a warning!

- Job knows perfectly where he stands!

- And he knows perfectly where they stand!

- And he knows that what they do is not correct!

- But they don’t listen to him!

- They keep thinking that they are better than him!

- Bad decision!

- And they were wrong!

- And they were condemned by Yah.weh!

- And Yah.weh put their lives in Job’s hands!

- And he saved them!

- End of the story!

- Now imagine that the question is not for the three men but for us!

- What would we do?

- Would we take into account the warning as if it was coming directly from Yah.weh?

- What if we believe in corruption?

- The devil has always manipulated men, he is the god of this world!

- And he knows he is going to be destroyed and he wants to bring as many people as he can with him!

- Do you think that Yah.weh can tolerate corruption, and in particular religious corruption and human traditions which have nothing to do with his word?

- The Hebrews and mankind have always practised it through ages in such a way that today’s religious traditions have nothing but nothing to do with the Bible but only with pagan rituals!

- The corruption is so developed that everything is intermingled!

- So once again, “would it be well when he examined you?”
 
Erik said:

The story of the Tower of Babel is part of "our" "primordial history" (Genesis chapters 1-11), it is actually a collection of myths about the origin of the world, humanity and human culture - prior to the long story of the people of Israel, which begins with the forefather Abraham in Genesis 12 (originally Abram of Ur of Caldean (1813-1638 – married 1788))

But Chaldea is not believed to exist before about 1200 BC

Chaldea | Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Sumerian | Britannica

The Tower of Babel (build 1765 BC) is thus included as a motif in a mythical story about how humanity collectively sought to anchor their unity by founding a single city.

(1765 BC, is according to Chabad)


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-It is necessary to remember one essential point!

- It was a different time with different people and a different mentality!

- The Hebrew language is basic compared to Ancient Greek which is probably the richest language in the world!

- People usually forget that that's why the majority will never understand the Bible!
 
Erik said:

Whether there have been one or more Trinitarian gods before cannot change the origin of the Christian version.

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- Everywhere in the Bible there is a continuous fight between human tradition and Yah.weh’s word!

- The devil has been at work right at the beginning!

- Yah.weh said, you will die, the devil said you won’t die and guess what they died!

- Through human history it has always been the same!

- Religion usually say, you won’t die, it doesn’t matter what you do!

- But life is not a right, we have to work for it!

- We have to show our faithfulness to Yah.weh!

- No faithfulness to Yah.weh, no future life!

- You can take any biblical book, it is the same, it is a fight between human tradition and Yah.weh’s word!

- Job is telling Yah.weh’s word, the three men tell about the devil’s word!

- Job keeps warning them, they don’t listen!

- With Daniel it’s exactly the same!

- Human’s tradition vs Yah.weh’s word!

- With Samuel it’s exactly the same!

- Yah.weh has left the country!

- Yah.weh is the king of Israel but the Hebrews want a human king!

- Samuel can’t believe it and warns them!

- But Yah.weh says to let them have their human king and they will pay the price!

- They started rejecting Yah.weh from the beginning!

- They have never been his people!

- And religions keep corrupting Yah.weh’s word because they don’t come from him but from the god of this world!
 
Erik said:

Corruption, I guess, existed long before the OT was written down from oral traditions between 900 and 500 BCE.

The devil, Adam and Eve:

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Marjo_Korpel_Johannes_de_Moor_Sheffield_2014

Together with other things we read about in the five books of Moses.

What's Ugaritic Got to Do with Anything?

Noah, the ark and the flood

Evidence for a Flood

//Only one leader Yah.weh, no more stupid human leaders, no more stupid human leadership, no more destruction!//

There have been and still are countless gods around the world -

However, the very first omnipotent god and therefore written with a capital G, God, was Akhenaten's Athos.

Next was YHWH the oldest known YHWH is from c 860 BC and is seen on the Mesha stele.

The Triune God, the idea behind it is from ca. year 100 AD, but does not become a reality until 325 AD, at the Synod of Nicaea.

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- About corruption!

- As I said right at the beginning, the devil, Adam, Eve, you shall not die and they died!

- And religion keeps repeating the same credo!

- Then we get Cain and Abel: One bad and one good! (Genesis chapter 4)

- Corruption evolved like a pandemia!

- Yah.weh warned Cain to change his attitude but he didn’t listen as men usually do!
 
- In Genesis chapter 4 we are also told about Lamech who married two women ( we may remember Yah.weh said one) and he killed a young man who had wounded him and he made a song of his action!

- Once again corruption but it is everywhere from the beginning!

- Wherever we go, we can see how corrupt men are!

- We can add men away from Yah.weh!

- Faithfulness is something essential!

- But as everything is corrupt, it is also important to get away from corruption if we don’t want to share responsibility!

- Then in Genesis 4:26, we are told about the birth of Enosh and it was when men began to call upon the name of Yah.weh!

- Thus we get corruption all the time and from time to time men start to remember that Yah.weh is there!

- So if we want to understand the Bible we must take corruption as the basis!

- If we want to be accepted by Yah.weh we must take corruption as the basis!

- If we want to be accepted by Yah.weh we must glorify God's only name which is Yah.weh!

- If we don’t do it we can’t be accepted by Yah.weh!

- There is only one way, Yah.weh’s way, not man’s way!

- If we follow man’s way as everybody does it, we can’t be accepted by Yah.weh!

- It is as simple as that!
 
- In Genesis 5, we are told about men who can live a bit less than 1,000 years!

- Then we are told about Enoch who walked with Yah.weh and he lived 365 years which is quite different from the other men!

- And it is said it was because Yah.weh took him!

- We can imagine it was a kind of protection because the situation was too bad, too much corruption!

- And then we arrive at Noah!

- Then Yah.weh takes a very different decision!

- Or maybe it is not so different in the case of Enoch because in a way he took him from mankind by bringing the flood to the earth and destroying mankind!

- The only difference was a new start for mankind!
 
- In Genesis chapter 6, we are told about angels who went down the earth and married women!

- They would take as many as they could!

- Their sons were giants who took advantage of their strength!

- Of course, it brought more corruption on earth!

- Yah.weh decided to put an end to human society!

- So he wanted to destroy the majority and saved a minority!

- Here we are told about Noah and his family!

- So few people for such a big mankind!

- It tells about corruption!

- But it was in the past!

- Corruption has kept growing and growing that it stinks corruption everywhere.

- But men are used to it!

- They like it, they need it, it’s their spiritual food!

- Yah.weh goes one way, they go the opposite!

- They can only follow their god, the devil!
 
Genesis 6:9

Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God.

Genesis 6:11

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God and full of violence.

Genesis 6:12

And God looked upon the earth and saw that it was corrupt; for all living creatures on the earth had corrupted their ways.

Genesis 6:13

Then God said to Noah, “The end of all living creatures has come before me, because through them the earth is full of violence. Now behold, I will destroy both them and the earth.”

Genesis 6:17

“And behold, I will bring floodwaters upon the earth, to destroy every creature under the heavens that has the breath of life. Everything on the earth will perish.

Genesis 6:22

So Noah did everything precisely as God had commanded him.

- Now the question is: is there a difference between the situation before the flood and nowadays?

- I don’t see any!

- On the contrary, today we have become masters of corruption!

- We can produce corruption of every type!

- What is the conclusion of such a situation?

- Time has come to put an end to this human society which can only demonstrate corruption!

- We eat and drink and breathe corruption!

- Yah.weh must clean the earth again from corruption!

- It is not going to be the last time!

- There will be a period of 1,000 years and corruption will come again to put a definite end to corruption!

- Definitely hard work!

- But that’s the price of free will!

- Do you see the difference with Noah!

- So Noah did everything precisely as God had commanded him!

- Another faithful servant of Yah.weh who shows us the way to Yah.weh!

- Now think about today!

- It smells really bad!
 
- In Genesis chapter 9, Yah.weh tells Noah that every creature on earth will fear men!

- Yah.weh gives animals as food to eat for men!

- Which means it wasn’t the case before!

- Which means that one day men and animals will leave in peace without fear!

- Let’s have a look at Genesis 9:4

But
אַךְ־ (’aḵ-)
Adverb
Strong's 389: A particle of affirmation, surely

you must not
לֹ֥א (lō)
Adverb - Negative particle
Strong's 3808: Not, no

eat
תֹאכֵֽלוּ׃ (ṯō·ḵê·lū)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine plural
Strong's 398: To eat

meat
בָּשָׂ֕ר (bā·śār)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1320: Flesh, body, person, the pudenda of a, man

with its lifeblood
בְּנַפְשׁ֥וֹ (bə·nap̄·šōw)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 5315: A soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

[still] in it.
דָמ֖וֹ (ḏā·mōw)
Noun - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 1818: Blood, of man, an animal, the juice of the grape, bloodshed

- Just stop for a minute and think of that!

- Who still follows this commandment from Yah.weh?

- Another proof that all mankind is corrupt without discussion!

- Now think about faithfulness!

- What’s left?

- Man is really good at nothing!

- now listen to religious leaders!

- What for?

- They are corrupt like the rest of mankind!
 
- In Genesis chapter 11, we are after the flood, Yah.weh told Noah and his family to fill the earth!

- And what do men decide to do?

- Right at the new beginning, they decide to oppose Yah.weh by staying together building a big and high city!

- They are still one people with one language!

- They keep putting their future and the future of their sons in danger!

- Thus men always want to oppose Yah.weh!

- They are ready to pay the consequences and they have always been paying them!

- They will never understand!

- They are stubborn without limits!

- As a consequence, Yah.weh confuses their language to force them to fill the earth!

- Everywhere we can see the same biblical expressions!

- It is not possible to make mistakes except if we want to do them voluntarily!

- Always the same free will!

- That’s a personal choice!

- It’s really tiring!

- So many baby boys!
 
- In Genesis chapter 12, we are told about Abraham!

- Yah.weh tells him to leave his land and his relatives and he will make a great nation of him!

- So Abraham goes with his family to Canaan!

- And Yah.weh tells him that he will give the land to his descendants!

- Then a famine arises so Abraham must go to Egypt!

- And Yah.weh will protect him and his family!

- There is no one like Abraham in the Bible!

- On the one hand, man’s corruption, on the other hand, Abraham’s faithfulness!

- Such a complete opposition!

- Abraham’s faithfulness shines among the darkness of men!

- it is incredibly violent, totally insane!

- Man’s faithfulness is incredibly rare, thus incredibly precious, thus incredibly unbelievable!

- When you usually listen to men, you hear the same usual unfaithfulness!

- It is everywhere, contaminating everything!

- And men are not ashamed of it!

- They spread it like venom!

- That’s why we get corruption everywhere!
 
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