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^^ My guess is you never watched the video, and have no clue what I mean. So either watch it or dont I dont care, but dont put words in my mouth!!! I NEVER question what GOD tells me, I ALWAYS question what man tells me. One is perfect one is horribly flawed.
 
I hope your 'questioning' extends to the makers of this movie themselves. This is actually the 3rd edition of the films, the first and second editions having had to be recut in order to remove what was proven to be falsehoods and inaccuracies as well as misuse of copyrighted material. Not a particularly reliable source.

No, I haven't watched the movie, nor am I willing to spend a couple of hours watching something that I would be forced to wonder, "Are these guys getting this right this time or do I need to wait for Loose Change #4 or #5?"
 
Alright then if your not willing to see the film, how can you judge it? Do you always judge without seeing for your self? The film makes some very valid points, including that there was no proof that a plane crash into the Pentagon! I make jet engines for a living, and I know it's impossible for an entire 757 to just vaporise on impact. It takes a heat of 1700 degrees fahrenheit and over 1200 tons of pressure just to bend the kind of titanium used to make those engines.

Just take the time to watch it you have nothing to lose but time.
 
We judge things all the time without seeing for ourselves. I don't have to watch "Girls Gone Wild" to judge that it's porn and we wont be having it in the house. I don't have to see a picture of a decaptitated baby to understand that partial birth abortion is wrong. I don't have to watch "Loose Change" to understand that this film has not only been proven wrong in the past, Avery has actually had to remake it, not once, but twice, because of the proven falsehoods and inaccuracies.

For instance, this silly idea of the 757 'vaporizing'. Who ever (beside Avery) said that the plane 'vaporized'? It didn't. It slammed into the Pentagon and left quite a bit of debris littered about:

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Also, since Avery decided to quote Tom in the film, let me state that the family members who received those final, terrifying, gut-wrenching phone calls don't appreciate someone asserting, "The cell phone calls were fake. No question about it." Yeah, tell that to Deena, as she spent that last precious moments of Tom's life holding a phone instead of him. Oh, THAT's right, Tom didn't die, he's in Cleveland.

You know, Misfit, this isn't a fairy story or a Hollywood movie that could be made better. We have in our family three little girls who will never see Daddy again on this side of heaven. And, Tom loved his little girls and Deena more than life itself. No way would he either fake his own death, no way! Nor would he put on some kind of charade with the phone with Deena either, knowing that he was about to die. He really did call her and he really did tell her to call the FBI, and I knew about that long before it was ever reported on TV, because my sister called to tell me about it.

It was a horrible day. And the memory of it isn't made better when a couple of guys who couldn't even make it in film school decide to capitialize off of the bad, knee-jerk reporting during the crises by making it out to be some kind of faked up government conspiracy.

Listen, if you want to do something more profitable with your time, why don't you visit Deena's website which shows how she is rebuilding her life and dedicating it to "Do Something".

One of the last things Tom told Deena that morning was "We have to do something." Tom gave his life, not sitting there like a scared puppy, but doing something that would for sure put a stop to the terrorists and possibly could save them all. Deena is taking that same mentality and working towards getting a proactive civics course in schools so that young Americans can learn to be future leaders of this country. Check it out. It's far more to the point that fallacious conspiracy theories:

http://www.tomburnettfoundation.org/index.html
 
Yeah and you can blame Bush and Cheney for that! As well as the deaths of countless others, from 9/11 to Afghanistan and Iraq. THEY are to blame, are you aware that most of the so called hijackers are alive and well today? Call me a conspiracy nut if you will I don't care, I'm just trying to get the word out about just how evil the leaders of our once great nation are.
 
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Well I guess I will be a monkeys Uncle after all, lets see UFOs the Kennedy assassination,
what do these all have in common? they are what I'll refer to as distractions. Good ones but distractions all the same, surely God knows the answers, but is that his main concern,
I'll let you figure it out. :popcorn:
 
I know it's kind of trendy to be a conspiracy nut. I'm mean ever since Oliver Stone revived the whole JFK 'conspiracy' with his dubious take on history, it's just kind of like belonging to a cool club to be the one and only one with the TRUTH and every one else is either lying or duped.

Yep, it's trendy. But, is it Christian? Is it really honoring to God to accuse two men who have the hardest jobs in the world of being mass murderers? Is it something that Christ would have us do, repeating whispers that the 'so-called hijackers' are still alive, without any real proof other than what someone else has repeated on a website? And for what purpose? To prove a good reason to further dislike a guy that one didn't want to be president? Or is there some other purpose?

Bearing false witness is frowned upon, even when the object is a high profile politician.
 
After re-reading my rather lenghty post, I want to make one clarification: Deena isn't my sister. She is my sister's neice by marriage. However, she and I are of the same age, and since we were older than the rest of the kids, but younger than all the adults, we were the ones keeping the kids in line at some family gatherings. I was the same age as my brother-in-laws nieces and nephews and when my sister and b-i-l married, I sort of got a new family of shirt-tail 'siblings' that were actually my age rather than a lot older than me.
 
Once again I dont care if you all want to believe it or not, if you want to just sit and believe all you hear on the news go right a head. Let me guess your that very very very very slim minority that still thinks Bush is doing a good job are you? I can very proudly say I never voted for him. And once again I just cant believe that if someone doesnt agree with you they must not be christian, you do know that if someone had not disagreed with the pope there never would have been a reformation.

And once again I build jet engines and I KNOW they can not just vaporise on impact. How many of you work with titanium daily?
 
question - In the ministry of proclaiming the Gospel - which is our responsibility as believers - what does this have to do with it?
 
RadicalReformer said:
question - In the ministry of proclaiming the Gospel - which is our responsibility as believers - what does this have to do with it?

Thats why this is in General talk and not apologetics. :P
 
MISFIT said:
Once again I dont care if you all want to believe it or not, if you want to just sit and believe all you hear on the news go right a head. Let me guess your that very very very very slim minority that still thinks Bush is doing a good job are you? I can very proudly say I never voted for him. And once again I just cant believe that if someone doesnt agree with you they must not be christian, you do know that if someone had not disagreed with the pope there never would have been a reformation.

And once again I build jet engines and I KNOW they can not just vaporise on impact. How many of you work with titanium daily?

No, I don't think Bush is doing a good job. However, I don't think he is a mass murdering killer who for still unknown, unfathomable reasons (how on earth has 9/11 benefitted Bush, his years as President has been the roughest any modern President since Truman has faced) orchestrated an attack on the American people that still to this day, with all the former supporters who have turned against him, remains the ilk of conspiracy theroists rather than exposed scandal.

Again, with the 'vaporized engines'. Who besides Avery, and I mean part of the official reports not internet cranks, state that the engines 'vaporized'? They didn't 'vaporize'. They broke up, parts got twisted, but there were still recognizable parts of the engine at the scene. Here's part of one the RB 211-535's at the scene:

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and here is what that engine looks like:

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Yeah I know what the engine looks like I make them!!!!! And that piece in the back ground is NOT from that engine.

Now if no one is going t bother watching the film, I'm not going to bother talking about it.

I've been a myspace member for a while and have had no problems with it.
 
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Humph! The economy is Bushes fault, gas chew chew trains, what else handy.
we covered planes. I have to learn to control myself better :oops:
 
OK Misfit, I'll bite. If that part we see is not from the engine, what is it?

Oh, and you didn't answer my question. Maybe if I re-word it: Where in the official explanations has the engines been described as being 'vaporized'?

No, I'm not going to watch the film. However, I know enough of this film to have legitimate questions about it's integrity. Again, this is the 3rd (calling it the 2nd is deliberately misleading) version of the same film, versions 1 and 2 having needed to be re-edited and re-worked because of falsehoods and mis-information. Give me some good hard evidence to believe them this time (since we couldn't believe them the 1st and 2nd times) and maybe I'll give it a listen.
 
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