Losing salvation

[tdidymas]

Yes His sheep who become lost need salvation.

Do you agree?

Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’

And you and I also need salvation, even though already saved. After being saved, we still need the Savior. But the issue is that once having eternal life, it can't be lost, because Paul clearly states that the Holy Spirit given to us (and lives in us) is a guarantee of our inheritance until complete redemption is realized (Eph. 1:14). The "seal" means that we cannot escape God's grasp. But then, who in God's grasp would want to escape it? Only those who are not saved from their sinful nature and thus are still captive to the devil.

Heb. 2:15 shows us that anyone who has to keep himself safe spiritually for fear of eternal condemnation is still under the power of Satan, and is in bondage. It says that Jesus released us from that fear, and this is the peace we have that results from being justified as a free gift of God (Rom. 3:24). There is no such thing in scripture as becoming unjustified after being justified, just as there is no such thing as losing eternal life after obtaining it. Since eternal life is a free gift from God, and is the promise of God, God does not renege on His promise for any reason, including our failure to get all our duckies in a row.

So the whole point is that the correct model is that we are in God's hands. The incorrect model is that eternal life is in our hands. For the true born-again believer, God is in control of us. We are not in control of eternal life. God has the final say, we don't. Then, the only option we have (which is not really an option) is to trust God with our eternal future. Do you agree?

 

[Blain DeCastro]

Amen! In context, we see that Jesus is directing this parable to the Pharisees and scribes who complained, saying that Jesus receives sinners and eats with them, while failing to recognize because of pride and self-righteousness that they were sinners themselves. The main point of this parable is not that a Christian lost their salvation and had to regain it back again, but the absolute importance of finding the one lost sheep -- there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

This parable does not teach that this one "sheep" was saved and lost their salvation and had to get saved all over again. In Matthew 5:5, we read - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

In Luke 19:10, we read - for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost. Not lost their salvation and had to get saved all over again.

Yes exactly also it is good to see you my friend I haven't seen you on cc for a good while but yes the verse doesn't say anything about one being saved athen losing it then regaining it again it speaks of the lost and note it first says lost not saved then lost just lost.

This is a classic case of someone trying to make scripture say something it isn't

 

[JLB]

This would make sense except if you look at who he was talking to he was talking about Israel who were already lost they were not saved and thus did not lose their salvation to begin with because they never had it to begin with

Then all the tax collectors and the sinners drew near to Him to hear Him. And the Pharisees and scribes complained, saying, “This Man receives sinners and eats with them.” So He spoke this parable to them, saying:
“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Sorry but this teaching is about people not the nation of Israel.


How about the prodigal son?

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ” Luke 15:32

 

[Blain DeCastro]

Then all the tax collectors and the sinners drew near to Him to hear Him. And the Pharisees and scribes complained, saying, “This Man receives sinners and eats with them.” So He spoke this parable to them, saying:
“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Sorry but this teaching is about people not the nation of Israel.


How about the prodigal son?

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ” Luke 15:32

Ok yeah that is speaking of the tax collectors and sinners which by the way were of Israel because the gentiles were not allowed in the synagogue plus Jersus even says here that he came for the people of Israel not the gentiles Matthew 15:24, Jesus states, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

Also the verses you showed have nothing to do with someone being saved then losing their salvation it is speaking of the lost being saved