Made In The Image Of God

[eddif]

I thank you for your gracious comment, but all the glory goes to God who works in me and through me, but myself alone am not infallible as I miss it at times.

If one thinks about it the very image of God is love shown through His grace and truth in the visible and invisible things. Some people say that truth will hurt you and yes it does, but for a moment until you see the light of understanding in all truth.

I give the glory to God.

My comments of about others spring from Paul’s praise of certain people he worked with.

Proverbs 1:20 kjv
20. Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

I saw a cartoon about two timber jacks with axes and a backdrop of thousands of stumps where trees once stood.

The comment was:
Well Eric I never said it before, but I enjoyed working with you.

How sad in one sense if we never express the joy of working with another person or persons.

I enjoy the fellowship of others. I am pretty sure Edward wishes at times I would shut up. But, Edward challenges the subject at hand and we all learn .

Edward stands firm on scripture. If I just worked alone nothing would happen. Everyone abandoned Jesus. Now we see some people hang together through trials ( thanks quickening spirit of Jesus).

Thanks For_His_Glory , Edward, wondering .
And if others want to say well I don’t think I believe this or that. Speak up. There were great discussions in the New Testament and sometimes issues were resolved.

eddif

 

[eddif]

We are not children of the bondwoman but of the free. but what does that have to do with creation? Are you trying to say that creation was allegory?

We ain’t now, but was we once upon a time?

You are asking the right questions. I wonder if I even get started on the right answers?

If Adam had been perfect he would have been up on Satan’s ploy and nipped sin in the bud. ( have I said that before LOL).

Someone watch my timeline - I sometimes get confused.

By the time of the flood God was ready to destroy mankind
Noah found grace in the eyes of God
By Babel scattering people worked
By the time of Seth men began to call on the lord.
By Abraham belief faith shows up.



Today the Gospel is preached:
Repent
Believe in Jesus work
Receive the quickening spirit Jesus became
Receive the Holy Spirit from Jesus that you may be witnesses

Ephesians 2:3 kjv
3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
14. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

We did not get to salvation without help.

At creation the word allegory was not in use. It happened just like it happened.

It is only in hind sight that the Holy Spirit shows that the natural can be opened to a higher level of understanding.

The seed is the word of God
The ground is men’s hearts

History planted in our hearts brings forth a crop of new understanding.

The word became flesh (Jesus)

The history of Adam planted in our heart shows where we came from, and how we arrived where we are now.

eddif

 

[eddif]

because

Creation is not an allegory.

The allegory is comparing the two children of Abraham...

One, Ishmeal, was of the bondwoman, Hagar.
It's taught that he is of the flesh because Abraham and Sarah couldn't wait on God's promise and they went ahead and agreed to have this son by Hagar.
This is the son of the flesh because the "flesh" conceived him...God had no part in it.

The other son, Isaac, was born of the wife of Abraham, Sarah.
This is the son of the Spirit because God had promised a son to Abraham and his wife and Isaac was the result of this promise. God was involved in the promise.

Paul is comparing the Law to Grace. The Old Covenant with the New.

Try Galatians 4:23 again:
22The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife.
23The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.
24These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them. 25And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia,h because she and her children live in slavery to the law.
26But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem.

Are you explaining :

Psalms of Ascent - Meaning and Encouragement

Along this journey from displaced to finally dwelling with God we find a group of fifteen psalms known as the Psalms of Ascent.

www.biblestudytools.com

???
The psalms of a journey of scents is a complicated construct just about impossible for the gentile mind to comprehend ???

eddif

 

[eddif]

Creation is not an allegory.

The allegory is comparing the two children of Abraham...

One, Ishmeal, was of the bondwoman, Hagar.
It's taught that he is of the flesh because Abraham and Sarah couldn't wait on God's promise and they went ahead and agreed to have this son by Hagar.
This is the son of the flesh because the "flesh" conceived him...God had no part in it.

The other son, Isaac, was born of the wife of Abraham, Sarah.
This is the son of the Spirit because God had promised a son to Abraham and his wife and Isaac was the result of this promise. God was involved in the promise.

Paul is comparing the Law to Grace. The Old Covenant with the New.

Try Galatians 4:23 again:
22The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife.
23The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.
24These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them. 25And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia,h because she and her children live in slavery to the law.
26But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem.

Abraham received the promices before he was circumcised allowing him to be the father of both the Jew and Gentile. Both Jew and Gentiles move forward toward the New Jerusalem. The Jew can explain part of the journey, but the Gentile makes the journey without knowing as much about the journey.

I am a Mississippi redneck Gentile trying to explain something way beyond what I understand. The law has been removed so the one new man is made. Who knows how to explain this?

eddif

 

[JLB]

Abraham received the promices before he was circumcised allowing him to be the father of both the Jew and Gentile. Both Jew and Gentiles move forward toward the New Jerusalem. The Jew can explain part of the journey, but the Gentile makes the journey without knowing as much about the journey.

I am a Mississippi redneck Gentile trying to explain something way beyond what I understand. The law has been removed so the one new man is made. Who knows how to explain this?

eddif

Abraham is a type of the new man, being neither Jew nor Gentile.


Or being both Jew and Gentile.


Abraham was a Gentile, a Syrian.





JLB

 

[eddif]

Abraham is a type of the new man, being neither Jew nor Gentile.


Or being both Jew and Gentile.


Abraham was a Gentile, a Syrian.





JLB

Romans 4:8 kjv
8. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9. Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12. And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he hadbeing yet uncircumcised.
13. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15. Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16. Therefore it is of faith, that it might beby grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17. (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

I guess I will stop with 18 for now.
First chapters of Galatians are needed
First chapters of Ephesians are neefed

Peter said brother Paul was hard to understand.

eddif

 

[JLB]

Peter said brother Paul was hard to understand.

Peter said “some things” of Paul’s was hard to understand.




JLB

 

[Edward]

By the time of Seth men began to call on the lord.

A more accurate translation reads, By the time of Seth men began to profane the name of the Lord...

Creation is not an allegory.

The allegory is comparing the two children of Abraham...

One, Ishmeal, was of the bondwoman, Hagar.
It's taught that he is of the flesh because Abraham and Sarah couldn't wait on God's promise and they went ahead and agreed to have this son by Hagar.
This is the son of the flesh because the "flesh" conceived him...God had no part in it.

The other son, Isaac, was born of the wife of Abraham, Sarah.
This is the son of the Spirit because God had promised a son to Abraham and his wife and Isaac was the result of this promise. God was involved in the promise.

Paul is comparing the Law to Grace. The Old Covenant with the New.

Try Galatians 4:23 again:
22The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife.
23The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.
24These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them. 25And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia,h because she and her children live in slavery to the law.
26But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem.

Ok. I understand that. But I can't see any nexus making us not literally created in the image of God.

So God doesn't have any dealings with the flesh. God is a Spirit and we that worship Him, worship Him in Spirit and in truth. So where did we lose the image of God? We didn't. Oh the flesh will war regularly with the spirit...but that's our job to overcome the flesh so that our spirit is dominant once again and will be able to let the rivers of flowing living water flow out from within the Christ within us...

So man wasn't created in God's image how now?! Lol

 

[eddif]

A more accurate translation reads, By the time of Seth men began to profane the name of the Lord...



Ok. I understand that. But I can't see any nexus making us not literally created in the image of God.

So God doesn't have any dealings with the flesh. God is a Spirit and we that worship Him, worship Him in Spirit and in truth. So where did we lose the image of God? We didn't. Oh the flesh will war regularly with the spirit...but that's our job to overcome the flesh so that our spirit is dominant once again and will be able to let the rivers of flowing living water flow out from within the Christ within us...

So man wasn't created in God's image how now?! Lol

Ok.
Edward I will give you a chance to prove some of your assertions.
If you are using a concordance could we have the name of the concordance, and comments on (profane)? If it is a generally accepted person - could we have the name of the person?

I do not have a plan of attack.

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

I give the glory to God.

My comments of about others spring from Paul’s praise of certain people he worked with.

Proverbs 1:20 kjv
20. Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

I saw a cartoon about two timber jacks with axes and a backdrop of thousands of stumps where trees once stood.

The comment was:
Well Eric I never said it before, but I enjoyed working with you.

How sad in one sense if we never express the joy of working with another person or persons.

I enjoy the fellowship of others. I am pretty sure Edward wishes at times I would shut up. But, Edward challenges the subject at hand and we all learn .

Edward stands firm on scripture. If I just worked alone nothing would happen. Everyone abandoned Jesus. Now we see some people hang together through trials ( thanks quickening spirit of Jesus).

Thanks For_His_Glory , Edward, wondering .
And if others want to say well I don’t think I believe this or that. Speak up. There were great discussions in the New Testament and sometimes issues were resolved.

eddif

Amen my friend we will learn and grow together.

 

[for_his_glory]

Are you explaining :

Psalms of Ascent - Meaning and Encouragement

Along this journey from displaced to finally dwelling with God we find a group of fifteen psalms known as the Psalms of Ascent.

www.biblestudytools.com

???
The psalms of a journey of scents is a complicated construct just about impossible for the gentile mind to comprehend ???

eddif

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
The natural man is carnal and can not perceive that of the Spiritual. That is why we need to be Spiritually born again in the image of God in order to complete our journey here on earth with our final destination being eternal life with the Father. Through the Spiritual rebirth from above we are made in the Spiritual image of God.

(Taken from that website)
Along this journey from displaced to finally dwelling with God we find a group of fifteen psalms known as the Psalms of Ascent. These psalms (120-134) are all about getting back home—they are about dwelling with God. These psalms hold an important place within the story of God’s redemption.

Psalms 120 - Deliver Me, O Lord
Psalms 121 - My Help Comes from the Lord
Psalms 122 - Let Us Go to the House of the Lord
Psalms 123 - Our Eyes Look to the Lord Our God
Psalms 124 - Our Help Is in the Name of the Lord
Psalms 125 - The Lord Surrounds His People
Psalms 126 - Restore Our Fortunes, O Lord
Psalms 127 - Unless the Lord Builds the House
Psalms 128 - Blessed Is Everyone Who Fears the Lord
Psalms 129 - They Have Afflicted Me from My Youth
Psalms 130 - My Soul Waits for the Lord
Psalms 131 - I Have Calmed and Quieted My Soul
Psalms 132 - The Lord Has Chosen Zion
Psalms 133 - When Brothers Dwell in Unity
Psalms 134 - Come, Bless the Lord

 

[GodsGrace]

Are you explaining :

Psalms of Ascent - Meaning and Encouragement

Along this journey from displaced to finally dwelling with God we find a group of fifteen psalms known as the Psalms of Ascent.

www.biblestudytools.com

???
The psalms of a journey of scents is a complicated construct just about impossible for the gentile mind to comprehend ???

eddif

No eddif,
I was explaining to Edward that you didn't mean that the creation account is an allegory....
Post 17.

I liked your link to the Psalms of the ascent.
I've never read anything about these Psalms but it looks like some scholars have.

I think we have a problem understanding much of the O.T.
I can't remember how,,,but I know that the word RIGHTEOUS means something different in the O.T. than it does in the N.T. If anyone is interested, this could be looked up ... I'm sorry I can't do this right now.
stovebolts might know, he knows a lot about the O.T. and the culture.

 

[GodsGrace]

Abraham received the promices before he was circumcised allowing him to be the father of both the Jew and Gentile. Both Jew and Gentiles move forward toward the New Jerusalem. The Jew can explain part of the journey, but the Gentile makes the journey without knowing as much about the journey.

I am a Mississippi redneck Gentile trying to explain something way beyond what I understand. The law has been removed so the one new man is made. Who knows how to explain this?

eddif

The Gentile joined in the journey at a later time.
And the journey is not finished yet.
I also see the Jews and Gentiles joining in both the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenant.
Abraham was promised to be the father of many nations,
and David's descendent was promised to be King forever.

 

[GodsGrace]

Abraham is a type of the new man, being neither Jew nor Gentile.


Or being both Jew and Gentile.


Abraham was a Gentile, a Syrian.





JLB

Do you believe Abraham's purchase of land in Hebron brought about the name
Hebrews?
And would his son, Isaac be the first Hebrew?
I think this would be correct.

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you believe Abraham's purchase of land in Hebron brought about the name
Hebrews?
And would his son, Isaac be the first Hebrew?
I think this would be correct.

I know you asked JLB this question, but wanted to add my

Abraham was the first to be mentioned as a Hebrew in Genesis. Many think this is from his ancestor, Eber (4th Great Grandfather, from the line of Shem).

Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Later on Abraham's grandson, Jacob, had his name changed to Israel and he had 12 sons. The fourth son was Judah. It was during or soon after the Babylonian captivity of 586 BC, that the descendants of Judah became known as Jews. So all Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews.

Hebrew refers to the ancient people that later became the Jews, but both terms are used interchangeably in ancient times. In modern times, Hebrew refers to a language, and Jew refers to the people. The Hebrews were a group that includes the ancestors of the Jews and others; so it is more correct to call the Jews Hebrews rather than the other way around.

 

[GodsGrace]

A more accurate translation reads, By the time of Seth men began to profane the name of the Lord...

Ok. I understand that. But I can't see any nexus making us not literally created in the image of God.

So God doesn't have any dealings with the flesh. God is a Spirit and we that worship Him, worship Him in Spirit and in truth. So where did we lose the image of God? We didn't. Oh the flesh will war regularly with the spirit...but that's our job to overcome the flesh so that our spirit is dominant once again and will be able to let the rivers of flowing living water flow out from within the Christ within us...

So man wasn't created in God's image how now?! Lol

We were created in God's image or likeness,
in our Character. God gave us some of His attributes:
He gave us reason because He is a God of reason.
He gave us free will, a knowledge of morality,
free will and a conscience to guide us.
We seek that which is perfect because God is perfect,

We are social creatures because God is not alone but has
companionship within Himself - Father, Son and Holy Spirit...
and we were created because God desires a family...
His family, the Body of Christ's members. We continue this family
through our descendants...God told Adam and Eve to multiply themselves,
just as He said to every living thing in nature - animals, vegetation.

God made us need love because He IS love.
Loving our family and others gives us a reason to live.

Calling a human just another mammal removes the God-like
qualities we have and diminishes our worth.

 

[GodsGrace]

I know you asked JLB this question, but wanted to add my

Abraham was the first to be mentioned as a Hebrew in Genesis. Many think this is from his ancestor, Eber (4th Great Grandfather, from the line of Shem).

Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Later on Abraham's grandson, Jacob, had his name changed to Israel and he had 12 sons. The fourth son was Judah. It was during or soon after the Babylonian captivity of 586 BC, that the descendants of Judah became known as Jews. So all Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews.

Hebrew refers to the ancient people that later became the Jews, but both terms are used interchangeably in ancient times. In modern times, Hebrew refers to a language, and Jew refers to the people. The Hebrews were a group that includes the ancestors of the Jews and others; so it is more correct to call the Jews Hebrews rather than the other way around.

Thanks for His glory,
Anyone can reply to add to our knowledge!

 

[Edward]

Ok.
Edward I will give you a chance to prove some of your assertions.
If you are using a concordance could we have the name of the concordance, and comments on (profane)? If it is a generally accepted person - could we have the name of the person?

I do not have a plan of attack.

eddif

You're gonna make me dig out my notes...Ok, gimmee a fortnight Lol. (I will)

 

[Edward]

Ok.
Edward I will give you a chance to prove some of your assertions.
If you are using a concordance could we have the name of the concordance, and comments on (profane)? If it is a generally accepted person - could we have the name of the person?

I do not have a plan of attack.

eddif

Wow, how about that?! I went right to it, Praise the Lord.

So we're in Genesis 4:26 for this,

26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him [n]Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.../

Now a cursory reading makes it appear to mean men began to pray or whatever, to call on God. Presumably for help. But when we go to the Blue Letter Bible and look up the word "began" it reads like this:
Began. Strongs H2490 ḥālal

The KJV translates Strong's H2490 in the following manner: begin (52x), profane (36x), pollute (23x), defile (9x), break (4x), wounded (3x), eat (2x), slay (2x), first (1x), gather grapes (1x), inheritance (1x), began men (1x), piped (1x), players (1x), prostitute (1x), sorrow (1x), stain (1x), eat as common things (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to profane, defile, pollute, desecrate, begin
   1. (Niphal)
      1. to profane oneself, defile oneself, pollute oneself
         1. ritually
         2. sexually
      2. to be polluted, be defiled
   2. (Piel)
      1. to profane, make common, defile, pollute
      2. to violate the honour of, dishonour
      3. to violate (a covenant)
      4. to treat as common
   3. (Pual) to profane (name of God)
   4. (Hiphil)
      1. to let be profaned
      2. to begin
   5. (Hophal) to be begun
2. to wound (fatally), bore through, pierce, bore
   1. (Qal) to pierce
   2. (Pual) to be slain
   3. (Poel) to wound, pierce
   4. (Poal) to be wounded
3. (Piel) to play the flute or pipe

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
חָלַל châlal, khaw-lal'; a primitive root (compare H2470); also denominative (from H2485) properly, to bore, i.e. (by implication) to wound, to dissolve; figuratively, to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an 'opening wedge'); to play (the flute):—begin (× men began), defile, × break, defile, × eat (as common things), × first, × gather the grape thereof, × take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound..../

Taken from: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h2490/kjv/wlc/0-1/

There, how's that?
I believe the more correct interpretation of Genesis 4:26 would be to use the term 'begin' as opposed to 'profane.' Note that the BDB translates the word 'begin' as: H2490 chlal - 1) to profane, defile, pollute, desecrate, begin.

So, as one can see both definitions 'profane' or 'begin' are possible and context would advise of which to use.

 

[Edward]

We were created in God's image or likeness,
in our Character. God gave us some of His attributes:
He gave us reason because He is a God of reason.
He gave us free will, a knowledge of morality,
free will and a conscience to guide us.
We seek that which is perfect because God is perfect,

We are social creatures because God is not alone but has
companionship within Himself - Father, Son and Holy Spirit...
and we were created because God desires a family...
His family, the Body of Christ's members. We continue this family
through our descendants...God told Adam and Eve to multiply themselves,
just as He said to every living thing in nature - animals, vegetation.

God made us need love because He IS love.
Loving our family and others gives us a reason to live.

Calling a human just another mammal removes the God-like
qualities we have and diminishes our worth.

Well said, Sister. I get the feeling that not many people believe that we have Godlike qualities, and it's easy to see why. We are a new creature in Christ, forgiven, washed. And that's how God sees us. We tend to see ourselves as unworthy sinners who stumble all over the place wondering if we're unprofitable servants. I myself don't feel like any Paul or David. Who am I?

And yet, I remember a guy who gave testimony on Sid Roth and says he was taken up in the Spirit before the Lord and he was feeling a wee bit uncomfortable and the Lord says do you want to see yourself as I see you? So he said yes, and he appeared as a warrior soldier all done up in shining Gold Armor and it freaked him out and he asked the Lord to make it stop because it was a hard thing to grasp and believe.../

I believe it too. We are more than conquerors in Christ. With the power of life and death in our tongue.