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Many Are Not Forgiving Michael Vick

Lewis

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I think that they should let the man alone, and let him move on. They act like he killed a human, and then got back in the NFL.

In a shocker, Eagles president Banner confirms Vick signing

By LES BOWEN
Philadelphia Daily News

bowenl@phillynews.com

VERY LATE last night, Donovan McNabb declared that the Eagles' stunning signing of Michael Vick was, "no different, really, than bringing T.O. here."

Because, you know, that turned out so well.

The Eagles, controversy-free lately, rejoined the circus last night. The big top opens at 11 a.m. today at NovaCare, when Vick is introduced at a news conference.

McNabb and Eagles coach Andy Reid were very clear on their reasons for taking on the responsibility of sponsoring Vick's return to the NFL after 18 months in prison and nearly 3 full years away from football, following his conviction in an ugly dogfighting scandal.

Both McNabb and Reid spoke evocatively of the importance of forgiveness, of second chances. They were less clear on exactly what Vick is going to do to make this worth the bother to a team that now might be pushing past pickets to get to practice; the gist seemed to be some sort of prospective "Wildcat" role for Vick, to which McNabb indicated he was willing to cede a few plays here and there, in hopes one of them would be a big gainer.

"This is America," Reid proclaimed. "We do make mistakes." The 29-year-old former Pro Bowl quarterback deserves "a chance to prove he's doing the right things," Reid added.

In the middle of the second quarter of last night's preseason-opening, 27-25 loss to New England, with some team officials even apparently unaware of the most momentous development of an eventful preseason, word leaked out via ESPN.com that the Eagles had signed Vick. The ESPN.com report said a 2-year contract; Eagles president Joe Banner, confirming the signing to the Daily News, said 1 year plus a club option for a second. Fox Sports said Vick will make $1.6 million this season and as much as $5.6 million in the option year.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has said Vick will be eligible to play in the final two preseason games, so his Eagles' debut could be Thursday, Aug. 27 at the Linc against Jacksonville. Goodell has said he then will rule on a regular-season suspension, which could be anywhere from nothing to 5 weeks.

This morning's press conference is scheduled to be attended by Vick, former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy, who has served as an adviser, and representatives of the Humane Society. Vick's first practice with the Eagles is expected to be tomorrow, Reid said.

"Everybody we talked to said the same thing," Banner told the Daily News, "that [Vick] was remorseful and had gone through an incredible transformation, that he was basically good at heart. We heard this over and over again from people who felt he deserved a second chance."

Banner said the team and Vick agreed to terms about 48 hours before the news broke.

During his postgame news conference, Reid repeatedly referenced the drug-related troubles of two of his sons. Reid said he spoke with Dungy and has spoken with Vick a number of times. Owner Jeffrey Lurie also met with Vick, Reid said.

Vick and McNabb have been friendly since Vick was a high school player in Virginia and McNabb was the Syracuse quarterback who hosted Vick on a recruiting trip.

"I wanted to make sure I know where he is at and I feel like he is in a good place," Reid said. "I'm very excited, on the other side of that, to have a good football player. You're talking one of the top quarterbacks in the league when he was playing. He's familiar with our offense, having run it the last few years with Atlanta before he was incarcerated."

The Eagles obviously have a starting quarterback, McNabb. Vick isn't coming here to take over the offense - "There won't be a quarterback controversy," Reid said. He indicated the signing had nothing to do with the knee injury of backup QB Kevin Kolb, who is believed to be ready to return in a few days.

"I'm the quarterback of this team," McNabb said, before allowing that in a 70-play game, he might be willing to sit or function as a receiver for five plays or so. (Hey, maybe No. 5 can play tight end!)

Reid said Vick's first concern will be getting back in football shape after his time away.

Asked if there might be ways to use Vick other than at quarterback, Reid said, "He's a quarterback. That's what he is. He's a versatile quarterback. I haven't had a chance to put that all together, but I have some ideas."

McNabb also stressed that adding Vick provides the Eagles with another offensive weapon opponents have to stop.

Former Eagles linebacker and current WIP host Ike Reese played with Vick in Atlanta in 2005 and 2006. Reese said he thought most players, here and elsewhere, would support the move more than the public.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Lewis W said:
I think that they should let the man alone, and let him move on. They act like he killed a human, and then got back in the NFL.

Sadly enough, if he had killed a human, he probably would have been forgiven by now.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

I say let the man come back in the NFL. Give him a second chance, however if he does any bad things like this again then he should never be re-instated in the NFL again.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

yes, one needs to look at oj for that one handy, people forgave him, and while i dont think he killed his wife and the other, he was aware and involved in it. I would like to have seen proper justice there, but i'm not his judge and i hope he repents and recieves the lord as saviour.

sad, i wonder what would of happen if oj had killed his dogs or cats other animals. what a strange world were in :screwloose truly jesus is comming

jason
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

jasoncran said:
yes, one needs to look at oj for that one handy, people forgave him, and while i dont think he killed his wife and the other, he was aware and involved in it. I would like to have seen proper justice there, but i'm not his judge and i hope he repents and recieves the lord as saviour.

sad, i wonder what would of happen if oj had killed his dogs or cats other animals. what a strange world were in :screwloose truly jesus is comming

jason
Jason, I don't think OJ was ever forgiven, he caught hell everywhere he went, people would ride by in cars and yell out murderer or killer out the car windows. And also what I always wondered, if the courts found him innocent, then how could the Goldmans win a civil suit against him, for the murder of their daughter. Does that make any sense ? America has a crazy court system to me.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

i know some who did forgive him, yes i agree with out our courts and country are whacked, we call evil good and good evil

you were right about this one, sadly. kill a baby in the womb you're godsend , but kill any animal you're the devil on the earth, a hitler and so on

jason
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

And also what I always wondered, if the courts found him innocent, then how could the Goldmans win a civil suit against him, for the murder of their daughter. Does that make any sense ? America has a crazy court system to me.

Very good point. We do have a weird court system here.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

I for one will be glad when Vick returns this year. He did his time, now let him play if a team will sign him.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

I for one will be glad when Vick returns this year. He did his time, now let him play if a team will sign him.

The NFL has certain standards they require of players and obviously one of them was "dog fighting" because they almost did not let him come back to the NFL. You have to be careful how you say things Blazin Bones. I could say the same thing about somebody who works in the US Treasury who was caught stealin money or a Mother who manages the little league baseball funds who was caught stealing. If they do their time, that does not always mean they should be able to come back and do that again after they do their time. And stealing money is far worse than murder of a human, just as dog fighting is far worse than killing a human, but I would be willing to say nobody would want somebody who was stealing out of treasurys to be re-hired again in that same position or probably any position dealing with management of money. Just because they have done their time or because we need to forgive people does not always make it right that they can go back to whatever they were previously doing. I, however am for Michael Vick coming back to the NFL, but I sure hope he doesnt blow it again.. which I dont think he will.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

JohnEboy1983 said:
I for one will be glad when Vick returns this year. He did his time, now let him play if a team will sign him.

You have to be careful how you say things Blazin Bones.

What did Bones say that was wrong? He was asked for an opinion and he gave one "I for one will be glad when Vick returns this year" ---"He did his time" He has done everything that the U.S.court system and the NFL said was necessary.---"Now let him play if a team will sign him" Bones has even said IF a team will sign him. It is irrelevant if you or I think the penalty was too lenient or too harsh. It appears he has done all that the court system and the NFL required of him. I agree with Bones, the Eagles saw fit to sign him, let him play ball.

Westtexas
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

JohnEboy1983 said:
I for one will be glad when Vick returns this year. He did his time, now let him play if a team will sign him.

The NFL has certain standards they require of players and obviously one of them was "dog fighting" because they almost did not let him come back to the NFL. You have to be careful how you say things Blazin Bones. I could say the same thing about somebody who works in the US Treasury who was caught stealin money or a Mother who manages the little league baseball funds who was caught stealing. If they do their time, that does not always mean they should be able to come back and do that again after they do their time. And stealing money is far worse than murder of a human, just as dog fighting is far worse than killing a human, but I would be willing to say nobody would want somebody who was stealing out of treasurys to be re-hired again in that same position or probably any position dealing with management of money. Just because they have done their time or because we need to forgive people does not always make it right that they can go back to whatever they were previously doing. I, however am for Michael Vick coming back to the NFL, but I sure hope he doesnt blow it again.. which I dont think he will.

Killing a dog is far worse than killing a human? Are you serious? Dogs have 0 rights. Dogs do not have the feelings a person does. Dogs do not contribute to society the way a person does. You almost saying that Jesus would have a harder time forgiving a dog killer than the person responsible for killing say Peter?

As for watching what I say, in the end you agreed with me that you would like to see Vic back in the NFL. So if I need to watch what I say, indeed you do as well.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Killing a dog is far worse than killing a human? Are you serious?

Far less worse I mean. Sorry forgot to put the *less* in there. I also misread your post and didnt see the *if* the NFL wants to hire him back part. I for some reason thought you said as long as they do their time then they are fine, My fault.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

JohnEboy1983 said:
I for one will be glad when Vick returns this year. He did his time, now let him play if a team will sign him.

The NFL has certain standards they require of players and obviously one of them was "dog fighting" because they almost did not let him come back to the NFL. You have to be careful how you say things Blazin Bones. I could say the same thing about somebody who works in the US Treasury who was caught stealin money or a Mother who manages the little league baseball funds who was caught stealing. If they do their time, that does not always mean they should be able to come back and do that again after they do their time. And stealing money is far worse than murder of a human, just as dog fighting is far worse than killing a human, but I would be willing to say nobody would want somebody who was stealing out of treasurys to be re-hired again in that same position or probably any position dealing with management of money. Just because they have done their time or because we need to forgive people does not always make it right that they can go back to whatever they were previously doing. I, however am for Michael Vick coming back to the NFL, but I sure hope he doesnt blow it again.. which I dont think he will.
No dog fighting was not one of them, it was the public outcry that did. ,And because he broke the law. Nobody but Vic has been popped for dog fighting in the history of the NFL, until Vic, so they had no law for it until Vic. But he did break state and federal law. Now people keep bringing up remorse, these people want to see him bleed out of his eyes. They have now put him under a microscope, which is unfair, if he forgets to flush the toilet, he will be dragged into court in leg shackles a ball and chain,a striped prison suit and handcuffs, and brought up on charges, while he is being beaten with a whip. They want to see him break down and cry when ever he sees a dog. But not one of them will go down to the abortion clinic, and stop a doctor from sticking a probe in the base of the skull of a baby. This man is not going to do that again, get of of him, let him alone, reporters camping outside his house, the same type that chased Princess Diana, to her death. Hey do you all think I can get a ride on the space shuttle, to another planet, because I am sick of this one.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

maybe will find one those stargate things and dial another planet and leave :eyebrow
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Lewis, I just noticed you are from Philly. Is Michael going to take the starter spot from Donovan?

Westtexas
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

westtexas said:
Lewis, I just noticed you are from Philly. Is Michael going to take the starter spot from Donovan?

Westtexas
Nope, but if Donovan goes down :confused
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

I agree, but he'll do his 2 yrs with y'all and then he'll be starting somewhere!!

Westtexas
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Vic will be starting by the begining on next season. He'll show he's still got game and if he isn't traded midseason, then someone will gamble on him in the offseason.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Blazin Bones said:
Killing a dog is far worse than killing a human? Are you serious? Dogs have 0 rights. Dogs do not have the feelings a person does. Dogs do not contribute to society the way a person does. You almost saying that Jesus would have a harder time forgiving a dog killer than the person responsible for killing say Peter?

As for watching what I say, in the end you agreed with me that you would like to see Vic back in the NFL. So if I need to watch what I say, indeed you do as well.

Dogs have more common sense than most humans, are generally smarter than most humans and are capable of forgiveness unlike that of ALL humans.

No dog deserves death much less murder. Many humans do deserve death.
 
Re: Many Are Not Forgiving Michale Vic

Scripture says we all deserve death. Just because does have many desirable traits, it doesn't make them greater than man. Babies offer the same love, forgiveness and companionship and we do not even offer them a fighting chance at life outside of the womb sometimes... I just can't get too outraged about Dog fighting or those who do it while we allow for human lives to be killed.
 
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