Matthew 1:1-25

[Enlightenedtruth]

So I have some questions about Matthew 1:1-25, NKJV. The first book of the New Testament identifies the generations from Abraham, through the Son of David; up until the birth of Christ. It seems to be all about the Tribes of Israel; and their lineage.

1 Where did all the Gentiles come from; those not of the Tribes?

2 In verse 21 it says: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. If Christ was a Jew, it seems his people would have been the Jews; how do the Gentiles fit into that?

Please, I am not seeking any conflict in my questions. I hold my own truth on such things (we are all God's people); I am just curious as to how others interpret the first book of the New Testament.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
Good question Enlightenedtruth. Let's take a look.

1. Abraham was chosen by God and was/is cosidered to be the start of the Jewish people. Through his son Jacob, who's name was changed to Israel, we see the start of the children and descendants were considered the children of Israel after God.

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

2. The simple answer is any people who were not descendants of the children of Israel. Gentiles are included by Jesus in the "whosoever" of John 3:16.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Fun fact: Gentiles were the first recorded people to worship Christ. Who were they?
Answer: The Magi - AKA the three wise men.
Matthew 2:11

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[journeymanisnothing]

So I have some questions about Matthew 1:1-25, NKJV. The first book of the New Testament identifies the generations from Abraham, through the Son of David; up until the birth of Christ. It seems to be all about the Tribes of Israel; and their lineage.

1 Where did all the Gentiles come from; those not of the Tribes?

2 In verse 21 it says: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. If Christ was a Jew, it seems his people would have been the Jews; how do the Gentiles fit into that?

Please, I am not seeking any conflict in my questions. I hold my own truth on such things (we are all God's people); I am just curious as to how others interpret the first book of the New Testament.

Some of the Messiahs' ancestors were gentiles. One was a prostitute. Guess the only difference is Gods' people believe in Him.

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

Some of the Messiahs' ancestors were gentiles. One was a prostitute. Guess the only difference is Gods' people believe in Him.

That's interesting; but I assume most of the Gentile's were not even aware of God before Christ came. I kind of thought those pharisees were pretty strict with the Tribes being the "only chosen of God"; and reluctant to "share the wisdom" of anything.

 

[Hopeful 2]

So I have some questions about Matthew 1:1-25, NKJV. The first book of the New Testament identifies the generations from Abraham, through the Son of David; up until the birth of Christ. It seems to be all about the Tribes of Israel; and their lineage.
1 Where did all the Gentiles come from; those not of the Tribes?

Jacob/Israel, son of Isaac, son of Abe', was just one man among all the other sons of Noah and his sons.
The "others", not of Jacob, are the ones Gentiles came from.

2 In verse 21 it says: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. If Christ was a Jew, it seems his people would have been the Jews; how do the Gentiles fit into that?

We Gentiles too can take part in all that God has to offer.

Please, I am not seeking any conflict in my questions. I hold my own truth on such things (we are all God's people); I am just curious as to how others interpret the first book of the New Testament.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

That's interesting; but I assume most of the Gentile's were not even aware of God before Christ came.

That is actually an easy misconception to make , because the rabbis' did actively proselytize gentiles,

You cross land and sea to make one convert, and when you get one, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves! Mt.22:15 NET

I kind of thought those pharisees were pretty strict with the Tribes being the "only chosen of God"; and reluctant to "share the wisdom" of anything.

Scripture shows us that even our Lords' disciples had a problem eating with gentiles, but not if a gentile converted by undergoing circumcision.

They needed to learn. Abraham was called when he was 75 years old and wasn't circumcised until age 99. The only thing that ever seperated Gods' people whether Jew or gentile is faith.

This is one reason why theologians have badly misunderstood Paul, but add to this the witness of life itself and believing in a Supreme Being is a no brainer.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hey All,
Good question Enlightenedtruth. Let's take a look.

1. Abraham was chosen by God and was/is cosidered to be the start of the Jewish people. Through his son Jacob, who's name was changed to Israel, we see the start of the children and descendants were considered the children of Israel after God.

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

2. The simple answer is any people who were not descendants of the children of Israel. Gentiles are included by Jesus in the "whosoever" of John 3:16.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Fun fact: Gentiles were the first recorded people to worship Christ. Who were they?
Answer: The Magi - AKA the three wise men.
Matthew 2:11

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

Weren't the shepherds the first?

 

[GodsGrace]

That's interesting; but I assume most of the Gentile's were not even aware of God before Christ came. I kind of thought those pharisees were pretty strict with the Tribes being the "only chosen of God"; and reluctant to "share the wisdom" of anything.

Everyone could have always been aware of God.
Roman's 1:19 ...

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

They needed to learn. Abraham was called when he was 75 years old and wasn't circumcised until age 99. The only thing that ever seperated Gods' people whether Jew or gentile is faith.

That opens a different can of worms; why would God want men to alter the "natural body" that He gave them. Does that apply to Matthew 1:21 in saving his people from Sin?

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

Everyone could have always been aware of God.
Roman's 1:19 ...

There were many different god's, by many different names before Christ was born. But knowledge of the "one true God" was only given to Abraham according to Scriptures.

Jacob/Israel, son of Isaac, son of Abe', was just one man among all the other sons of Noah and his sons.
The "others", not of Jacob, are the ones Gentiles came from.

Which brings up an interesting question, God did Command Noah to build the Ark; wouldn't Noah have shared that with all his son's? Wouldn't that also apply to Matthew 1:21 in saving "his people from Sin"? We are all God's people.

Scripture shows us that even our Lords' disciples had a problem eating with gentiles, but not if a gentile converted by undergoing circumcision.

Could you please identify the Scriptures where that is shown? Christ broke bread with the Sinner's; why would the Disciples hold themselves above that?

God did Command Joseph in Matthew 1:21;

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

I did ask a question in the "question thread" as to who God's children were; the majority of answers said only Christian's were "God's Children" according to Scripture. But Christianity did not exist when God did Command Joseph in naming His son. I just don't understand why God would separate "his people" in any fashion?

 

[Josef]

Weren't the shepherds the first?

You are right. I made a mistake. I wrote it incorrectly.

Enlightenedtruth, I should have wrote, "Do you know who the first recorded gentiles to worship Jesus were?"

Sorry about that.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

You are right. I made a mistake. I wrote it incorrectly.

Enlightenedtruth, I should have wrote, "Do you know who the first recorded gentiles to worship Jesus were?"

Sorry about that.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

A google search says the "Gentile Magi" who were believed to come from the east. Acts 10 identifies a Roman centurion as the first "Gentile" to convert to Christianity.

But this is all about Christianity; and God's Command to Joseph in naming His child came before that. I guess what I am trying to understand the most is "his people" versus "God's people"; in relation to other part's of the Bible saying "only Christian's are God's Children". If "only Christian's belong to God"; where does that leave the Jew's and everyone else? And I still do not understand why God would separate "his people" between Jew's and Gentile's? Which leads to another question; if Christ died for the "sins of his people"; does that apply to everyone, or only the few (2 billion Christian's versus 6 billion non-Christian today)?

 

[GodsGrace]

A google search says the "Gentile Magi" who were believed to come from the east. Acts 10 identifies a Roman centurion as the first "Gentile" to convert to Christianity.

But this is all about Christianity; and God's Command to Joseph in naming His child came before that. I guess what I am trying to understand the most is "his people" versus "God's people"; in relation to other part's of the Bible saying "only Christian's are God's Children". If "only Christian's belong to God"; where does that leave the Jew's and everyone else? And I still do not understand why God would separate "his people" between Jew's and Gentile's? Which leads to another question; if Christ died for the "sins of his people"; does that apply to everyone, or only the few (2 billion Christian's versus 6 billion non-Christian today)?

The above is for Josef .....but....

Don't depend on Prof. Google for everything.
If you're going to us google you really have to know some theology first so you can weed out the wrong stuff.
And there's plenty of it.

EVERY human being is a child of God.
Not every human being is a son of God.
We humans are God's. He created the first one, Adam.
And if Adam is the federal head of all humanity,
surely God is the Father of all humanity.
But not all of humanity desires to be a SON OF GOD.

Jesus died for the sins of all people, everywhere and at all times.
Adam sold us to satan. Everyone.
Jesus bought us back. Everyone.
This is what redeemed means.....to buy back.

If you need scripture, either I or Josef can provide it.
However, some doctrine is just known to all Christians,,,
the above is ---- or at least, it should be.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

That opens a different can of worms; why would God want men to alter the "natural body" that He gave them.

We know circumcision is a token of faith and faith alters the way we use our natural bodies.

Does that apply to Matthew 1:21 in saving his people from Sin?

Yes and Jesus told his countrymen to observe Gods' ordinances as a witness to the Jewish leaders,

shew thyself to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them. Mt.8:4 KJV

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, Mt.5:23

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Could you please identify the Scriptures where that is shown? Christ broke bread with the Sinner's; why would the Disciples hold themselves above that?

Gal.2:11-13

God did Command Joseph in Matthew 1:21;

God commanded circumcision to Abraham and later the law. Joseph knew this.

 

[hawkman]

1 Where did all the Gentiles come from; those not of the Tribes?

It would be of great benefit for you to read the book of Genesis in the Old Testament . If you have already read it look back at Genesis Chapter's 9-11 .

Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Genesis 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Genesis 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

Don't depend on Prof. Google for everything.
If you're going to us google you really have to know some theology first so you can weed out the wrong stuff.
And there's plenty of it.

Thank you. I do know that you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

I have read the Bible; and I do remember my earliest lessons. I guess I assumed Christ Teachings were about unity of "his people"; not division. The Commandment is, "Love thy neighbor". But I've not found any clause or footnote which indicates that anyone should only love thy neighbor, only if thy neighbor believes the same as they do.

Adam sold us to satan. Everyone.
Jesus bought us back. Everyone.

That's an interesting concept. I thought the forbidden fruit gave knowledge; which might indicate that knowledge is Satan. And I thought Christ gave us the path to righteousness and salvation, a path that any could follow; if they made the choice to do so.

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

We know circumcision is a token of faith and faith alters the way we use our natural bodies.

Yes and Jesus told his countrymen to observe Gods' ordinances as a witness to the Jewish leaders,

shew thyself to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them. Mt.8:4 KJV

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, Mt.5:23

If God's Creation is perfect; why would He require "his people" to alter what was perfect? God created man in His own image; but the physical body need's to be altered to prove faith to God. It's also interesting to note, Muslim's believe in altering the female body at "God's direction".

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

It would be of great benefit for you to read the book of Genesis in the Old Testament . If you have already read it look back at Genesis Chapter's 9-11 .

Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Genesis 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Genesis 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Thank you; and yes I have read Genesis, but it has been a while. The whole point of my OP, was me trying to understand how "his people" fit into the whole concept of the Tribes versus everyone else. The Tribes play a prominent role throughout the New Testament; but the vast majority reject Christianity, which also doesn't make much sense to me.

I in no way question God; I'm just trying to understand how men have interpreted some of the Scriptures with so much division; when we are all "his people".

 

[Hopeful 2]

Which brings up an interesting question, God did Command Noah to build the Ark; wouldn't Noah have shared that with all his son's?

Certainly, as God made a covenant with all of them. (Gen 6:18)

Wouldn't that also apply to Matthew 1:21 in saving "his people from Sin"? We are all God's people.

"All are God's people", but only in a very limited context.
Besides, all men know there will be a day of judgment for all men. (Rom 14:10-12)
Nothing has been hidden from the world.
Everybody has been warned of what is to come.