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Matthew 12:40
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JCitoL
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Jonas was for three days captured by the monstrous spirit of occultism - namely the so-called "beast"(666), likewise Jesus was for three days in the "darkness" to preach to its spiritual workers/servants there
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His_nee (Jeff)
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you don't need such a writing. the ones who argue won't accept any, even if someone came back from the dead to present it.
if you want what you say you want, then go to the Jews, for they have always known (the believing Jews immersed in Yeshua). gentiles don't have a clue when they argue with them.
of course, as always, unless it is granted by ABBA ELOHIM, then it is not received.
so seek Him while He may be found.
if you want what you say you want, then go to the Jews, for they have always known (the believing Jews immersed in Yeshua). gentiles don't have a clue when they argue with them.
of course, as always, unless it is granted by ABBA ELOHIM, then it is not received.
so seek Him while He may be found.
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JCitoL,
re: "Jonas was for three days captured by the monstrous spirit of occultism - namely the so-called "beast"(666), likewise Jesus was for three days in the 'darkness' to preach to its spiritual workers/servants there"
Do you know of any writing as requested in the OP?
re: "Jonas was for three days captured by the monstrous spirit of occultism - namely the so-called "beast"(666), likewise Jesus was for three days in the 'darkness' to preach to its spiritual workers/servants there"
Do you know of any writing as requested in the OP?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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that's simply to keep the goal or object clear / verified. also as I posted, the Jews(some, somewhere) have the answer you seek, I expect, or if gentiles then they will have gotten the answer from the Jews, as the whole episode, so to speak, is in the jurisdiction/ realm/ life of the Jewish community, most especially believers. that's what I've found in the last few decades anyway, in general and many times specifically.
It is almost certain that the 'writing' you wonder if it exists, does not and never did, as Christ has revealed so graciously throughout my short life. But even if it does, that does not change Scripture one whit, not one jot nor tittle.
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His_nee (Jeff),
re: "that's simply to keep the goal or object clear..."
Is there something about the OP that isn't clear to you?
re: ".... also as I posted, the Jews(some, somewhere) have the answer you seek..."
I've asked in a few Jewish sites, and I get more grief there than I've been getting here.
re: " It is almost certain that the 'writing' you wonder if it exists, does not and never did..."
So I wonder what the 6th day crucifixion adherents are basing their "common Jewish idiomatic language" assertion on?
re: "that's simply to keep the goal or object clear..."
Is there something about the OP that isn't clear to you?
re: ".... also as I posted, the Jews(some, somewhere) have the answer you seek..."
I've asked in a few Jewish sites, and I get more grief there than I've been getting here.
re: " It is almost certain that the 'writing' you wonder if it exists, does not and never did..."
So I wonder what the 6th day crucifixion adherents are basing their "common Jewish idiomatic language" assertion on?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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it's obvious, isn't it. the enemy of Christ started that , so it was always based on a lie, from a liar.
problem is, that was a long, long time ago, and mankind swallowed it like a catfish swallows a bated hook ....
so many generations were immersed , not in Yeshua, not in truth, but in falseness - not a little, but immersed in falseness - even in "another Gospel" different than the One of Scripture. our families for as far back as records for our families go, and further, were raised in a church and in a society where falsehood ruled. (with of course, a 'remnant', an exception, set apart by Yhwh Elohim for Himself, for the testimony of Jesus in every place -- i.e. there were always a few who believed in God and remained in the truth instead of trusting in man and remaining in falsehood.)
problem is, that was a long, long time ago, and mankind swallowed it like a catfish swallows a bated hook ....
so many generations were immersed , not in Yeshua, not in truth, but in falseness - not a little, but immersed in falseness - even in "another Gospel" different than the One of Scripture. our families for as far back as records for our families go, and further, were raised in a church and in a society where falsehood ruled. (with of course, a 'remnant', an exception, set apart by Yhwh Elohim for Himself, for the testimony of Jesus in every place -- i.e. there were always a few who believed in God and remained in the truth instead of trusting in man and remaining in falsehood.)
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JCitoL
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here are some biblical quotes:
Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly(i.e. in the "belly" of the "see monster/beast"); so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.",
Revelation 13:1 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.",
1 Peter 3:17-21 "it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits(i.e. unto the spiritual servants/workers) in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark(i.e. the covenant with Noah) was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water(i.e. by purgatorial spirit). The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God(i.e. a good conscience from/in God),) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
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Someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and who thinks that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language, may know of some writing.
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Sorry, can't help you, me not a 6th day crucifixion folk,
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chessman
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I’m sure that the phrase 3 days and 3 nights means just what it says.
As for whether a partial day and/or a partial night counts as a whole day/night, of course it does.
Leviticus 19:6 (LEB) It must be eaten on the day of your sacrifice and the next day; but the remainder must be burned up in the fire by the third day
Let’s assume a Friday sacrifice (sometime that day) just for an example. The next day would be a Saturday and The Third Day would be a Sunday, quite obviously. Even though Friday is only a partial day, it's counted as a whole day.
We speak like this about a day or a night all the time even today. Today is Friday afternoon. If I told you that I'd see you in 3 days, you'd know I meant Sunday. The Bible does this as well such as in Leviticus 19 and other places. Or if I said I watched basketball last night, you don't just assume I meant I watched basketball from sunset to sunrise.
Why would you be searching for such a usage to counter the Scriptures recognized by “sixth day crucifixion folks”? I mean if 3 days and 3 nights means what it says (and I submit to you that it does), does not Luke’s (and all of the other three Gospel writers) phrases also mean what they say? And that is that Jesus was crucified and died and was buried on the sixth day (a Friday)?
Luke 23:44-47 (LEB) And by this time it was about the sixth hour and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour because the light of the sun failed. And the curtain of the temple was torn apart down the middle. And Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit!” And after he said this, he expired.
Luke 23:50-54 (LEB) And behold, a man named Joseph, who was a member of the council, a good and righteous man (this man was not consenting to their plan and deed), from Arimathea, a Judean town, who was looking forward to the kingdom of God. This man approached Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth and placed him in a tomb cut into the rock where no one had ever been placed. And it was the day of preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.
Do you believe that Jesus was crucified and died on another day besides the sixth day of the week (a Friday afternoon) just as the Bible says? And if so, what is your evidence for that?
What about His resurrection, don't you believe that He rose early on a Sunday (the first day) just as the Gospel writers tell us and if not, why not?
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Luke 23:50-54 (LEB) And behold, a man named Joseph, who was a member of the council, a good and righteous man (this man was not consenting to their plan and deed), from Arimathea, a Judean town, who was looking forward to the kingdom of God. This man approached Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth and placed him in a tomb cut into the rock where no one had ever been placed. And it was the day of preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.
The day of preparation would indeed be the day to prepare the Passover feast, first day of Unleavened Bread, described in Lev. 23. So the question is whether the sabbath is speaking about the regular 6th day sabbath or the first day of unleavened bread when God commanded no work to be done or both.
I don't believe this scripture proves that the sabbath spoken of is the 6th day sabbath.
Lev 23:2 `Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, Appointed seasons of Yehovah, which ye proclaim, holy convocations, are these: they are My appointed seasons:
Lev 23:3 six days is work done, and in the seventh day is a sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye do no work; it is a sabbath to Yehovah in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 `These are appointed seasons of Yehovah, holy convocations, which ye proclaim in their appointed seasons:
Lev 23:5 in the first month, on the fourteenth of the month, between the evenings, is the passover to Yehovah;
Lev 23:6 and on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast of unleavened things to Yehovah; seven days unleavened things ye do eat;
Lev 23:7 on the first day ye have a holy convocation, ye do no servile work;
Lev 23:8 and ye have brought near a fire-offering to Yehovah seven days; in the seventh day is a holy convocation; ye do no servile work.'
Lev 23:24 `Speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, on the first of the month, ye have a sabbath, a memorial of shouting, a holy convocation;
Lev 23:25 ye do no servile work, and ye have brought near a fire-offering to Yehovah.'
I do believe He was resurrected on 1st day of the week, Sunday.
chessman
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Both. It (that Saturday) was a High Sabbath Day. (in more ways than one).
John 19:31 (NASB) Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day),.
However, the preparation was taking place on the 14th of the month (Thursday), not for the regular weekly Sabbath (they really didn't need to 'prepare' for a regular weekly Sabbath day), but for the yearly Passover which meant that a Passover Lamb had to be slain precisely on the 15th (a Friday) in the afternoon at 3pm. Which, umm happened. But the point is that the meal and the arrest occurred on what we would call Thursday night. Evidently late enough in the night that Peter, James and John couldn't stay awake while Jesus prayed.
Notice also, The Last Supper occurred evidently well after sunset on what we call Thursday night, yet to a Jew is early Friday morning and consisted of merely eating bread (unleavened Bread) and wine, not the Passover Lamb. The Passover lamb wasn't due to be sacrificed until Friday afternoon (~3pm). They called that first Unleavened Bread meal the Lord's Passover meal yet now we now call it the Lord's Supper.
Also notice what time of the night at the original Passover (back in Egypt) the angel of death slayed the firstborn of Egypt. Umm, midnight. About what time did Jesus get arrested?
Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor, and a plan!
