Bible Study Matthew 5,6, and 7 and the law of Moses and the ten commandments

[Deborah13]

So you are saying love is done, it is finished through that of Christ fulfillment. I see Christ fulfillment of his love towards us through the actions of his death and resurrection, but yet he still loves us and we are to continue in that same love just as we are to continue in his good works through that of what Christ started and we are to continue in as he works through us. I truly do not see love being fulfilled/finished until Christ returns as we need to be walking in that love until all things of this earth is finished.

I am saying that Jesus accomplished perfect love. His perfect love is available for us to walk in, through the Holy Spirit.

I don't believe love will ever end....

Love is eternal, it will Never end... Because God is love and God is eternal.
Love had no beginning or end. "I am the Alpha and the Omega."

1Co 13:13 and now there doth remain faith, hope, love--these three; and the greatest of these is love.

I believe we have all three of these things because He loved us first.

 

[Eugene]

Isn't the continuing increase of our maturity including love the result of God’s work in us?

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (not by us), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Isn't the continuing increase of our maturity including love the result of God’s work in us?

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (not by us), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

YES! With our eager and full willingness, with all of our minds and souls and bodies and spirits and strength, with all that is within us! (looking up verse)

Romans 4:16
The reason the promise is based on trusting is so that it may come as God’s free gift, a promise that can be relied on by all the seed, not only those who live within the framework of the Torah, but also those with the kind of trust Avraham had — Avraham avinu for all of us.
Romans 4:15-17.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=with+all+that+is+within+&searchtype=all&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=CJB&language1=en&spanbegin=1&spanend=73.

 

[Deborah13]

Isn't the continuing increase of our maturity including love the result of God’s work in us?

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (not by us), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

"the righteousness" of the law might be fulfilled in us.....

Which is done by faith....
Gal 3:6 according as Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him--to righteousness;

Rom 6:16 have ye not known that to whom ye present yourselves servants for obedience, servants ye are to him to whom ye obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?

Joh 16:8 and having come, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment;
Joh 16:9 concerning sin indeed, because they do not believe in me;
Joh 16:10 and concerning righteousness, because unto my Father I go away, and no more do ye behold me;

I believe...
That it is by His works of righteousness we can be saved, by grace through faith (believing God).

 

[for_his_glory]

Isn't the continuing increase of our maturity including love the result of God’s work in us?

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (not by us), who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Thank you Eugene for posting Romans 8:4. This is what I have been trying to explain in post # 9 and 19. Love has to be fulfilled in us. Jesus fulfilled his perfect love for us as he laid his own life down that we can have life eternal with him. If we are truly walking in the Spirit we have fulfilled perfect love in our self. If we step out of that Spirit and allow the flesh to take over for but a moment, as we all do at times, then that perfect love is lost through that of the flesh, but never of the Spirit that dwells in us.

 

[for_his_glory]

I am saying that Jesus accomplished perfect love. His perfect love is available for us to walk in, through the Holy Spirit.

I don't believe love will ever end....

Love is eternal, it will Never end... Because God is love and God is eternal.
Love had no beginning or end. "I am the Alpha and the Omega."

1Co 13:13 and now there doth remain faith, hope, love--these three; and the greatest of these is love.

I believe we have all three of these things because He loved us first.

Yes Jesus did accomplish perfect love as he is the very Spirit of God. How could he not fulfill love in himself. I agree that love never ends, but perfect love has to again, be fulfilled in us as an individual. I do believe I have that perfect love as I walk in the Spirit. When Jesus got angry he was still in the Spirit for he is Spirit and if I have the Spirit of God dwelling in me then I also walk in perfect love even though I might get angry at times.

 

[Deborah13]

Yes Jesus did accomplish perfect love as he is the very Spirit of God. How could he not fulfill love in himself. I agree that love never ends, but perfect love has to again, be fulfilled in us as an individual.

Do we fulfill it again or do we walk in it?
I think we just obey, and the Spirit provides, in fact the only reason we obey is because the Spirit provides to start with.
We obey by faith, right? Well if we are not in the Spirit what happens to that faith? I'll guarantee that if one does not stay in the Spirit eventually that faith gets weaker and the ability to obey gets weaker. The ability to love gets weaker.
That is why I say we don't fulfill love, we don't (on our own) have the power to be in perfect love. That perfect love only comes from Christ to us through the Spirit.

I do believe I have that perfect love as I walk in the Spirit. When Jesus got angry he was still in the Spirit for he is Spirit and if I have the Spirit of God dwelling in me then I also walk in perfect love even though I might get angry at times.

If I understand you correctly, I agree with this statement. I think you are saying you walk in the perfect love of Christ, through the Spirit. ?

 

[for_his_glory]

Do we fulfill it again or do we walk in it?
I think we just obey, and the Spirit provides, in fact the only reason we obey is because the Spirit provides to start with.
We obey by faith, right? Well if we are not in the Spirit what happens to that faith? I'll guarantee that if one does not stay in the Spirit eventually that faith gets weaker and the ability to obey gets weaker. The ability to love gets weaker.
That is why I say we don't fulfill love, we don't (on our own) have the power to be in perfect love. That perfect love only comes from Christ to us through the Spirit.



If I understand you correctly, I agree with this statement. I think you are saying you walk in the perfect love of Christ, through the Spirit. ?

Oops, I used the word "again" only to show I was repeating something I stated earlier. Yes, I walk in perfect love by that of the Holy Spirit that dwells in me. Without Gods Spirit there is no way one can walk in perfect love.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

http://www.preparingforeternity.com/mosevs10.htm

Ok so first look at that link. Then go look at Matthew 5,6,and 7 then compare it to the Law of Moses which is explained in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy. It all lines up....thoughts?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Do we fulfill it again or do we walk in it? ......

footnote on "walk in it" - just noting the similarity and the Plan of Yhwh to walk in what He prepared for us to do.....

Ephesians 2:10
J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)

4-10 But even though we were dead in our sins God, who is rich in mercy, because of the great love he had for us, gave us life together with Christ—it is, remember, by grace and not by achievement that you are saved—and has lifted us right out of the old life to take our place with him in Christ in the Heavens. Thus he shows for all time the tremendous generosity of the grace and kindness he has expressed towards us in Christ Jesus. It was nothing you could or did achieve—it was God’s gift to you. No one can pride himself upon earning the love of God. The fact is that what we are we owe to the hand of God upon us. We are born afresh in Christ, and born to do those good deeds which God planned for us to do.

Ephesians 2:10
Amplified Bible (AMP)

10 For we are God’s [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].
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[His_nee (Jeff)]

amazingly:
Ephesians 2
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)


2 You used to be dead because of your sins and acts of disobedience. 2 You walked in the ways of the ‘olam hazeh and obeyed the Ruler of the Powers of the Air, who is still at work among the disobedient. 3 Indeed, we all once lived this way — we followed the passions of our old nature and obeyed the wishes of our old nature and our own thoughts. In our natural condition we were headed for God’s wrath, just like everyone else.


4 But God is so rich in mercy and loves us with such intense love 5 that, even when we were dead because of our acts of disobedience, he brought us to life along with the Messiah — it is by grace that you have been delivered. 6 That is, God raised us up with the Messiah Yeshua and seated us with him in heaven, 7 in order to exhibit in the ages to come how infinitely rich is his grace, how great is his kindness toward us who are united with the Messiah Yeshua. 8 For you have been delivered by grace through trusting, and even this is not your accomplishment but God’s gift. 9 You were not delivered by your own actions; therefore no one should boast. 10 For we are of God’s making, created in union with the Messiah Yeshua for a life of good actions already prepared by God for us to do.


11 Therefore, remember your former state: you Gentiles by birth — called the Uncircumcised by those who, merely because of an operation on their flesh, are called the Circumcised — 12 at that time had no Messiah. You were estranged from the national life of Isra’el. You were foreigners to the covenants embodying God’s promise. You were in this world without hope and without God.

13 But now, you who were once far off have been brought near through the shedding of the Messiah’s blood. 14 For he himself is our shalom — he has made us both one and has broken down the m’chitzah which divided us 15 by destroying in his own body the enmity occasioned by the Torah, with its commands set forth in the form of ordinances. He did this in order to create in union with himself from the two groups a single new humanity and thus make shalom...