Meteors Are Being Reported All Over the World, The Powers of Heaven Are Being Shaken, the Return of Yeshua is At Hand

[for_his_glory]

Jesus return was not a physical return, but rather a coming in judgment upon apostate Israel.
The abomination that makes desolate happened as the events leading up to the temple being destroyed have been fulfilled by Nero. Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th week of Dan.9 after 3,5 years.
Jesus rules now from the Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion Hebrews12:25-29.
Believers have eternal life right now Jn 5:24 and our citizenship is in Heaven Phil.3:20.
The Kingdom continues to grow worldwide, with Jesus ruling in the midst of His enemies Psalm110

It really seems weird that all of us are still here on earth as Matthew 24:29-31 has not happened yet, nor have the heavens and earth been shaken nor the elements burned up, Rev 21:1-5. Stop believing man's theories and get back to what has already been written. Also the seven trumpets of God's great wrath have not sounded yet nor New Jerusalem has not been ushered down from heaven yet.

Hebrews 12:18-29 is speaking about Moses and Mt Sinai and a kingdom that can not be shaken. Says nothing about the return of Christ or the heavens and earth being shaken, but that will happen when Jesus does return on the last day. Haggai 2:6-9; Isaiah 13:13; Matthew 24:29-31; 2Peter 3:10

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times with both Temples being destroyed with the last one being destroyed in 70AD, but yet no return of Christ on that date.

What you present is nothing more than the teachings of Dispensationalism that you are indoctrinated in which are only that of man's doctrines and not the true Doctrines of Christ. They believe everything written in Matthew 24 has already happened and everyone can clearly see that Jesus has not returned yet.

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Considering Emperor Domitian had John exiled to the isle of Patmos sometime between 81-96AD it is clearly seen that John wrote the letters to the Churches in Asia, which are for all of us even today, that make up the book of Revelation. Some scholars believe it should be given an earlier date during the persecutions of Christians under Nero after the burning of Rome in 64AD and there was a legend that Nero would appear in the East after his apparent death. This is kind of weak evidence and a later date near the end of the reign of emperor Domitian around 81-96AD is preferable. John would have moved from Jerusalem to Ephesus around 67AD before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. The early dating would not have given John enough time to have established an ongoing ministry in Asia by the time he wrote these letters to the seven churches in Asia and his exile to the isle of Patmos. It would not be until after the death of Domitian in 96AD that John would have written all his letters to the seven churches in Asia between 95 or 96AD that make up the book of Revelation.

 

[Iconoclast]

It really seems weird that all of us are still here on earth as Matthew 24:29-31 has not happened yet, nor have the heavens and earth been shaken nor the elements burned up,

You are looking at it, but you cannot "see it"

Rev 21:1-5. Stop believing man's theories and get back to what has already been written. Also the seven trumpets of God's great wrath have not sounded yet nor New Jerusalem has not been ushered down from heaven yet.

You have no idea what you are talking about. What I posted is based on scripture that you do not even consider.

Hebrews 12:18-29 is speaking about Moses and Mt Sinai and a kingdom that can not be shaken.

You do not read with any biblical understanding, yet you try and post as if you know something.Hebrews12 is showing Christ as Superior to Moses, and then that His Kingdom has already begun. You missed the whole point of the scripture.

Says nothing about the return of Christ or the heavens and earth being shaken,

You really need to read and understand.

but that will happen when Jesus does return on the last day. Haggai 2:6-9; Isaiah 13:13; Matthew 24:29-31; 2Peter 3:10

Isa13 is not speaking of the last day

What you present is nothing more than the teachings of Dispensationalism that you are indoctrinated in which are only that of man's doctrines and not the true Doctrines of Christ. They believe everything written in Matthew 24 has already happened and everyone can clearly see that Jesus has not returned yet.

What I posted has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH DISPENSATIONALIM. This demonstrates you do not know what dispensationalism is. What I posted is the exact opposite of dispensationalism.!
Why are you using words you do not understand? Then you have the gaul to suggest I am following the teachings of men??? You do not even attend a church that would have corrected your errors long before you post these false ideas, you think you have got from the Spirit...you have not.

 

[for_his_glory]

You are looking at it, but you cannot "see it"

You have no idea what you are talking about. What I posted is based on scripture that you do not even consider.


You do not read with any biblical understanding, yet you try and post as if you know something.Hebrews12 is showing Christ as Superior to Moses, and then that His Kingdom has already begun. You missed the whole point of the scripture.

You really need to read and understand.

Isa13 is not speaking of the last day



What I posted has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH DISPENSATIONALIM. This demonstrates you do not know what dispensationalism is. What I posted is the exact opposite of dispensationalism.!
Why are you using words you do not understand? Then you have the gaul to suggest I am following the teachings of men??? You do not even attend a church that would have corrected your errors long before you post these false ideas, you think you have got from the Spirit...you have not.

Dispensationalist only believe that literalsim is the best way to view scripture. They also believe there is no non-literal fullfillment of messianic prophecies in the NT. If a literal interpretation is not used in studying scripture there is no objective standard by which to study scripture.

Dispensationalist hold that the church has not replaced Israel in God's program and that the OT promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church.

To sum it up dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretaion of Bible prophecy and recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church and organizes the Bible into two different dispensations or administrations.

Dispensationalism - en.m.wikipedia.org

The first systematic expression of dispensationalism was formulated by the father of dispensationalism by John Nelson Darby sometime during the late 1820's and 1830's in British Isles in whom began the dispensation movement. Darby's development was the culmination of various influences which produced within his thought one of the most literal approaches to Bible interpretation in history and a theology which distinguishes God's plan for Israel from God's plan for the Church. The most well known feature of dispensational theology is the much debated pretribulation rapture theory. Notice the word theory. Theory is just the carnal minds way of interpreting something. Darby was succeeded by the theologian C. I. Scofield, Harry A. Ironside, Lewis Sperry Chafer, William R. Newell and Miles J. Stanford, each of whom identified Pentecost (Acts 2) with the start of the Church as distinct from Israel.

Grace Movement Dispensationalist believe the Church started later in Acts and emphasize the beginning of the Church with the ministry of Paul. Advocates of this "mid-Acts" position identify the start of the Church occurring between the salvation of Saul in Acts 9 and the Holy Spirit's commissioning of Paul in Acts 13. The "Acts 28" posits that the Church began in Acts 28 where the Apostle Paul quotes Isaiah 6:9, 10 concerning the blindness of Israel, announcing that the salvation of God is sent to the Gentile world, Acts 28:28.

 

[Iconoclast]

John was still alive in AD 95. Peter seems to have written his second epistle in AD 66 so they would have seen at least the beginnings of that and no doubt others also.

Hello Davos
You are correct John was still alive.There is a debate over the early or late date. Revelation does not mention the destruction of the temple, as Jesus declared would happen, not one stone upon another.

 

[Iconoclast]

Dispensationalist only believe that literalsim is the best way to view scripture. They also believe there is no non-literal fullfillment of messianic prophecies in the NT. If a literal interpretation is not used in studying scripture there is no objective standard by which to study scripture.

Dispensationalist hold that the church has not replaced Israel in God's program and that the OT promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church.

To sum it up dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretaion of Bible prophecy and recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church and organizes the Bible into two different dispensations or administrations.

Dispensationalism - en.m.wikipedia.org

The first systematic expression of dispensationalism was formulated by the father of dispensationalism by John Nelson Darby sometime during the late 1820's and 1830's in British Isles in whom began the dispensation movement. Darby's development was the culmination of various influences which produced within his thought one of the most literal approaches to Bible interpretation in history and a theology which distinguishes God's plan for Israel from God's plan for the Church. The most well known feature of dispensational theology is the much debated pretribulation rapture theory. Notice the word theory. Theory is just the carnal minds way of interpreting something. Darby was succeeded by the theologian C. I. Scofield, Harry A. Ironside, Lewis Sperry Chafer, William R. Newell and Miles J. Stanford, each of whom identified Pentecost (Acts 2) with the start of the Church as distinct from Israel.

Grace Movement Dispensationalist believe the Church started later in Acts and emphasize the beginning of the Church with the ministry of Paul. Advocates of this "mid-Acts" position identify the start of the Church occurring between the salvation of Saul in Acts 9 and the Holy Spirit's commissioning of Paul in Acts 13. The "Acts 28" posits that the Church began in Acts 28 where the Apostle Paul quotes Isaiah 6:9, 10 concerning the blindness of Israel, announcing that the salvation of God is sent to the Gentile world, Acts 28:28.

Hello FHG,
A quick wiki search discloses the outer layer of dispensationalism. This shows you still do not understand what it actually is. At least you did a wiki search. Take some time to learn about it. You do not undertstand that some ideas you post are from that system.
Any Dispensationalist would react against the content of my post.

 

[Davos]

Hello Davos
You are correct John was still alive.There is a debate over the early or late date. Revelation does not mention the destruction of the temple, as Jesus declared would happen, not one stone upon another.

Also the book of Revelation is about the church not the Jews. It was written to the church and for the church.

 

[eddif]

Also the book of Revelation is about the church not the Jews. It was written to the church and for the church.

LOL
I thought the church started off Jewish. The Day of Pentecost was basically Jewish.

The gentile inclusion was in Acts chapter 10

The Jew and gentile are made into one new man Ephesians chapter 2

Talk to us.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Davos]

Dispensationalist only believe that literalsim is the best way to view scripture. They also believe there is no non-literal fullfillment of messianic prophecies in the NT. If a literal interpretation is not used in studying scripture there is no objective standard by which to study scripture.

Dispensationalist hold that the church has not replaced Israel in God's program and that the OT promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church.

To sum it up dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretaion of Bible prophecy and recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church and organizes the Bible into two different dispensations or administrations.

Dispensationalism - en.m.wikipedia.org

The first systematic expression of dispensationalism was formulated by the father of dispensationalism by John Nelson Darby sometime during the late 1820's and 1830's in British Isles in whom began the dispensation movement. Darby's development was the culmination of various influences which produced within his thought one of the most literal approaches to Bible interpretation in history and a theology which distinguishes God's plan for Israel from God's plan for the Church. The most well known feature of dispensational theology is the much debated pretribulation rapture theory. Notice the word theory. Theory is just the carnal minds way of interpreting something. Darby was succeeded by the theologian C. I. Scofield, Harry A. Ironside, Lewis Sperry Chafer, William R. Newell and Miles J. Stanford, each of whom identified Pentecost (Acts 2) with the start of the Church as distinct from Israel.

Grace Movement Dispensationalist believe the Church started later in Acts and emphasize the beginning of the Church with the ministry of Paul. Advocates of this "mid-Acts" position identify the start of the Church occurring between the salvation of Saul in Acts 9 and the Holy Spirit's commissioning of Paul in Acts 13. The "Acts 28" posits that the Church began in Acts 28 where the Apostle Paul quotes Isaiah 6:9, 10 concerning the blindness of Israel, announcing that the salvation of God is sent to the Gentile world, Acts 28:28.

Darby got his dispensationalism from Edward Irving who said he first preached on Christmas day, 1825 and then the same day the following year. Irving and his followers then held annual prophetic conferences in the home of one of them, Mr Drummond at his home Albury in London. One of those attending was Lady Powerscourt who then held similar annual conferences at Powerscourt in Ireland. Darby attended those and so did Irving.

I believe that Darby didn't fully formulate his views on the subject till the early 1840s.

 

[Iconoclast]

Also the book of Revelation is about the church not the Jews. It was written to the church and for the church.

All of scripture is written for all men. Revelation is about revealing Jesus reigning on the throne.
The book of Matthew is not speaking about literal stars or meteors

 

[JLB]

Aside from severe heat all over the world and droughts all over the world and severe pandemic all over the world and the beginnings of food shortages all over the world, reports of meteors are now emerging all over the world also. In Europe and in the USA and in Colombia. The powers of heaven are being shaken. As it is written, "there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity. People fainting with fear and with expectation of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory". Luke 21:25-27. And many in the world are perplexed and worried seeing all these terrible things converging and happening all at once all over the world, and many are afraid something extremely terrible is about to happen. All these are signs of the end. Something extremely terrible is indeed about to happen, the return of Yeshua, which will bring death and destruction upon the entire world. Only those who believed and prepared and obeyed beforehand will be saved.

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Just the beginning of sorrows.

 

[Davos]

All of scripture is written for all men. Revelation is about revealing Jesus reigning on the throne.
The book of Matthew is not speaking about literal stars or meteors

It was written to the seven churches, representing the entire church. It was not written to all men.

I agree that Matthew or the other writers on prophecy are not speaking of literal stars.

 

[Iconoclast]

It was written to the seven churches, representing the entire church. It was not written to all men.

I agree that Matthew or the other writers on prophecy are not speaking of literal stars.

Hello Davos,
I am glad we have agreed on something,ie. the stars and cosmic bodies.

I was not in any of the first century churches and no one living today was.
We can read those scriptures and be instructed.
We were not in the Ot, but those scriptures instruct us; Rom15
4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Do you agree here??

 

[07/07/07]

Aside from severe heat all over the world and droughts all over the world and severe pandemic all over the world and the beginnings of food shortages all over the world, reports of meteors are now emerging all over the world also. In Europe and in the USA and in Colombia. The powers of heaven are being shaken. As it is written, "there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity. People fainting with fear and with expectation of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory". Luke 21:25-27. And many in the world are perplexed and worried seeing all these terrible things converging and happening all at once all over the world, and many are afraid something extremely terrible is about to happen. All these are signs of the end. Something extremely terrible is indeed about to happen, the return of Yeshua, which will bring death and destruction upon the entire world. Only those who believed and prepared and obeyed beforehand will be saved.

Yes, the end-time signs are blatantly obvious nowadays; only those found in Jesus the Messiah will be spared unto eternal life; the rest unto eternal condemnation.

 

[07/07/07]

The Irvingites taught that the rapture would be in 1260 days from January 14th 1932, so on July 14th 1935 they gathered together. That was the group that had recently been the first to teach dispensationalism. So much for that doctrine.

Dispensationalism came about because Edward Irving first preached it on Christmas Day 1825, (Morning Watch Magazine of Irving.) available on Google play. It was then 'confirmed' by at least three of his "prophets" one of whom later exited the movement and accused himself of delusion.

Are you suggesting that we should discard Jesus' instructions for His followers to watch for the end-time signs?

 

[07/07/07]

It's interesting too that all these wildfires around the world are burning up a whole lot of acres of land. Interestingly enough, that's what happens when one of the 7 trumpets sound. I'm not necessarily saying that this Trumpet has sounded, but it's certainly a prelude.

Revelation 8
[6] And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
[7] The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. (KJV)

 

[Davos]

Are you suggesting that we should discard Jesus' instructions for His followers to watch for the end-time signs?

No. The only signs he gives is that it would be as in the days of Noah and Lot.

 

[07/07/07]

No. The only signs he gives is that it would be as in the days of Noah and Lot.

No. Jesus gave many signs in Matthew 24 & Luke 21.

 

[07/07/07]

California was just hit with a rare hurricane causing devastating flooding and an earthquake at the same time.

 

[eddif]

It's interesting too that all these wildfires around the world are burning up a whole lot of acres of land. Interestingly enough, that's what happens when one of the 7 trumpets sound. I'm not necessarily saying that this Trumpet has sounded, but it's certainly a prelude.

Revelation 8
[6] And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
[7] The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. (KJV)

Just as maybe trivia?:
The 7th plague in Exodus was hail and fire.

eddif

 

[JLB]

Jesus Christ will return at the coming of the Lord to gather His people.