Meteors Are Being Reported All Over the World, The Powers of Heaven Are Being Shaken, the Return of Yeshua is At Hand

[JLB]

You are looking at it, but you cannot "see it"

You have no idea what you are talking about. What I posted is based on scripture that you do not even consider.


You do not read with any biblical understanding, yet you try and post as if you know something.Hebrews12 is showing Christ as Superior to Moses, and then that His Kingdom has already begun. You missed the whole point of the scripture.

You really need to read and understand.

Isa13 is not speaking of the last day



What I posted has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH DISPENSATIONALIM. This demonstrates you do not know what dispensationalism is. What I posted is the exact opposite of dispensationalism.!
Why are you using words you do not understand? Then you have the gaul to suggest I am following the teachings of men??? You do not even attend a church that would have corrected your errors long before you post these false ideas, you think you have got from the Spirit...you have not.

These are just the birth pains.

“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),... For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:15,21



JLB

 

[Iconoclast]

These are just the birth pains.

“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),... For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:15,21



JLB

Thanks JLB
I was first taught that viewback in the late seventies. A closer look made me change views.

 

[JLB]

Thanks JLB
I was first taught that viewback in the late seventies. A closer look made me change views.

What view are you referring specifically?

 

[Iconoclast]

What view are you referring specifically?

Dispensational Premillenialism, and all of it's off shoots.

 

[JLB]

Dispensational Premillenialism, and all of it's off shoots.

I really don’t know what that is.

I just read and believe what the scriptures teach.





JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

We are in the time of greater sorrows then ever before and this corrupt world will wax worse until the coming of the Lord on the last day when He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him, Matthew 24:29-31.

IMO, I see that of the fourth seal being opened already as the four horsemen are riding the path of their destruction, Rev 6:1-8.

 

[for_his_glory]

Iconoclast

You said: Jesus return was not a physical return, but rather a coming in judgment upon apostate Israel.

If not a physical return then please explain how did Jesus already come in judgement upon Israel by showing us scripture for this.

The powers of heaven are shaking this earth right now as a wake up call letting us know we are in a greater time of sorrow, but the end is but only near.

 

[Iconoclast]

Iconoclast

You said: Jesus return was not a physical return, but rather a coming in judgment upon apostate Israel.

If not a physical return then please explain how did Jesus already come in judgement upon Israel by showing us scripture for this.

The powers of heaven are shaking this earth right now as a wake up call letting us know we are in a greater time of sorrow, but the end is but only near.

Sure Thing...take your time, look closely.
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Notice Jesus says in vs.33...when you see these things???
What things????
look in verse 30!
Where is Jesus?
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
What activity does He do???

and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power ....The destruction of the temple and the end of the Jewish Theocracy is the SIGN....of Jesus ruling in Heaven.

 

[eddif]

We are in the time of greater sorrows then ever before and this corrupt world will wax worse until the coming of the Lord on the last day when He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him, Matthew 24:29-31.

IMO, I see that of the fourth seal being opened already as the four horsemen are riding the path of their destruction, Rev 6:1-8.

And
The only way we can say come Lord Jesus and go through this time of great sorrow:
Look at Jesus on the cross in his time of h great sorrow.
See the local earth darkness. Notice the graves being opened. Hear the statement surely this was the son of God.

Then expand that suffering into the heavens and see stars fall. See the expanded disasters.
Colossians 1:24 kjv
24. Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25. Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26. Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27. To whom God would make known what isthe riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28. Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29. Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Come Lord Jesus. Help me be able to accept the final end of time.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

And
The only way we can say come Lord Jesus and go through this time of great sorrow:
Look at Jesus on the cross in his time of h great sorrow.
See the local earth darkness. Notice the graves being opened. Hear the statement surely this was the son of God.

Then expand that suffering into the heavens and see stars fall. See the expanded disasters.
Colossians 1:24 kjv
24. Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25. Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26. Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27. To whom God would make known what isthe riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28. Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29. Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Come Lord Jesus. Help me be able to accept the final end of time.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

If we are still alive at the worst of it, especially when the seven trumpets are sounded, this will be the time of standing in a greater faith and complete trust in the Lord that we take no concern for ourselves, but to be about the witnessing and testifying of Christ to those who will finally have ears to here and eyes to see the truth of the word of God.

Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sure Thing...take your time, look closely.
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Notice Jesus says in vs.33...when you see these things???
What things????
look in verse 30!
Where is Jesus?
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
What activity does He do???

and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power ....The destruction of the temple and the end of the Jewish Theocracy is the SIGN....of Jesus ruling in Heaven.

God has always sent judgement against Israel as they have always been judged for their abominations made against God.

Israel lost her right to be called Gods chosen people, (God did save a faithful remnant), as they fell into idolatry worshiping other gods as they allowed themselves to fall from Gods grace as they followed the lust of their own hearts as they practiced Judaism, 1 Kings 9:1-9. God’s judgment against them led them to be captured, 605 – 537 B.C., by Nebuchadnezzar and taken into Babylon for seventy years while Nebuchadnezzar’s army killed many Jews in Judah and Jerusalem destroying the whole city of Jerusalem including the first Temple that was built through King Solomon’s reign in Jerusalem.

Those scriptures you posted has nothing to do with the question I asked you. If you can't answer my question then just say so and I will be satisfied and move on.

Here is my question again:

You said: Jesus return was not a physical return, but rather a coming in judgment upon apostate Israel.

If not a physical return then please explain how did Jesus already come in judgement upon Israel by showing us scripture for this.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus Christ will return at the coming of the Lord to gather His people.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Christian Saboteur]

 

[Davos]

Iconoclast

You said: Jesus return was not a physical return, but rather a coming in judgment upon apostate Israel.

If not a physical return then please explain how did Jesus already come in judgement upon Israel by showing us scripture for this.

The powers of heaven are shaking this earth right now as a wake up call letting us know we are in a greater time of sorrow, but the end is but only near.

Matthew 21:33-46 particularly 43.

 

[eddif]

Matthew 21:33-46 particularly 43.

While you may see the scripture you quoted as self evident, would you tell us your understanding of the relevance. Of relating to several appropriate posters. Maybe starting with post 18.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[JLB]

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Yes ma'am.




JLB

 

[Davos]

No. Jesus gave many signs in Matthew 24 & Luke 21.

They were signs of the coming destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Davos]

While you may see the scripture you quoted as self evident, would you tell us your understanding of the relevance. Of relating to several appropriate posters. Maybe starting with post 18.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I agree with post 18.

 

[Iconoclast]

I really don’t know what that is.

I just read and believe what the scriptures teach.





JLB

Jesus said this;
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
You say you just read and believe. Jesus said this face to face with those first century believers. Do You believe what He said to Them???
or this;
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Look again here:LK 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


Do you believe this???

 

[07/07/07]

They were signs of the coming destruction of Jerusalem.

Luke 21, yes in part but also the end of days. Matthew 24 is the end of days.