model prayer /Lord prayer

[jerry63935]

lets see if i cant stir things up do you consider this THE Lord prayer or the model prayer

please note the question is teach us to pray Jesus said when you pray pray in this manner .
you have to break this down line by line to see it as a model prayer.

personally i find no merit in using this as a prayer. yes i know many Churches do , but i do not !

to make this more interesting the true Lord prayer is found in john 17. where Christ prayed for us.
now then its your turn BTW the greatest prayer recorded is Lord help me

Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever.

and i do hope this will pass the grammar police check 2

 

[Cnkw3]

I’ll stir things up even more…
He started the prayer above with “our father who art in heaven”.
Unless you have obeyed the gospel and become a part of the Gods family you cannot even call Him “father” so therefore you cant even pray the Lord’s Prayer. Now some will say that God is the father of the whole world since he created us. Please post those passages so we can look at them.
This is why we do not find a “sinners prayer” under the new covenant. It’s because alien sinners do not get to pray to a father they do not have. One must first hear and obey the gospel to become a part of the family of God and then and only then can they pray……”our father who art in heaven”.

 

[jerry63935]

”our father who art in heaven”.

even at that its the model prayer there is no certain way we pray other than being led by the spirit. the bible says we can approach the throne of grace with BOLDNESS. but then again this is probably a boring subject

 

[Cnkw3]

even at that its the model prayer there is no certain way we pray other than being led by the spirit. the bible says we can approach the throne of grace with BOLDNESS. but then again this is probably a boring subject

Who can approach the throne of grace with boldness? Just anybody?

 

[for_his_glory]

Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
We regonize God and praise His holy name.

Thy kingdom come.
God's kingdom has come from the beginning of the creation of earth as all belongs to Him in His kigdom.

Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
God wants us to pattern ourselves as things that are done in heaven will be done here on earth.

Give us this day our daily bread,
daily bread can mean either literal food, or Spiritual food through His word.

and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us,
God will not forgive us if we do not forgive others

and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
help keep us from the temptaions of Satan that we not fall into his evilness

For thine is the kingdom and the power, and the glory, forever and ever.
It's all God's kingdom found in us with all His power and glory forever.


Prayers consist of faith, consecration and commitment. There are prayers of worship and prayers of agreement that unite the whole body of Christ together as one in unison in Gods Spirit.

Faith is to know Gods will in what you are praying for. A good example of this is to take the subject of what you are praying for and find scripture for that to see what God has already declared. Example: You are praying for a health issue. You might want to look up scriptures for what God says about our health and then claim those scriptures in your prayers for healing.

Prayer of consecration is a prayer of dedicating ourselves to the will of God to be a faithful servant perfected in the knowledge and wisdom of the word of God being directed by his Spirit in all we do so we will always remain that faithful servant that brings glory and honor to the Lord.

Prayer of consecration is a prayer of dedicating ourselves to the will of God to be a faithful servant perfected in the knowledge and wisdom of the word of God being directed by his Spirit in all we do so we will always remain that faithful servant that brings glory and honor to the Lord.

 

[for_his_glory]

Who can approach the throne of grace with boldness? Just anybody?

Anyone who has humbled their heart can approach the throne of grace

 

[Cnkw3]

Anyone who has humbled their heart can approach the throne of grace

If a person has a humble heart today they will want to know what God wants them to do which they can find in his word. They can pray and pray all they want but God has already told them what they need to do in order to be accepted by him.
Acts 10:34,35. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Saul prayed and prayed for three days but his sins were not removed until he worked righteousness or what that really means is he did what the Lord asked him to do. Acts 16:22
Ps 119:172

 

[for_his_glory]

If a person has a humble heart today they will want to know what God wants them to do which they can find in his word. They can pray and pray all they want but God has already told them what they need to do in order to be accepted by him.
Acts 10:34,35. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Saul prayed and prayed for three days but his sins were not removed until he worked righteousness or what that really means is he did what the Lord asked him to do. Acts 16:22
Ps 119:172

You said, "Who can approach the throne of grace with boldness? Just anybody?" and I answered yes that anyone can come before the throne of grace and accept Him as Lord and Savior.

Of course we will want to know what it takes to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior as they are taught to humble ourselves before Him confessing that we are sinners needing His grace as we repent of our sins and accept Him as Lord and Savior. Praying is basically talking to God and that is what we do from the beginning of salvation through His only begotten Son as we speak to Him giving our intentions of the heart.

Look what Peter said in Acts 2:37-38 that after they heard the word of God they asked Peter what they needed to do and Peter said, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Salvation/faith comes by hearing the word of God. We do not work righteousness like it is being a part of any kind of works, but by obedience to God's commands God's righteousness is found in us.

 

[Walpole]

Interestingly, in St. Luke's version, our blessed Lord instructs...

"When ye pray, SAY, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdomcome. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth..." (Luke 11:2)

 

[Cnkw3]

You said, "Who can approach the throne of grace with boldness? Just anybody?" and I answered yes that anyone can come before the throne of grace and accept Him as Lord and Savior.

Thats not what you said. You said that the humble can approach the throne and thats not just anybody. But now if you are saying that just anybody can approach and pray; do you have any verse that supports that position?

Of course we will want to know what it takes to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior as they are taught to humble ourselves before Him confessing that we are sinners needing His grace as we repent of our sins and accept Him as Lord and Savior.

Where does it say that we are to “confess that we are sinners” to become a Christian? You just made that up or regurgitated it from some preacher like Franklin Graham. You are right in that we should believe and repent but the Bible tells us we are not through after repentance. Saul of tarsus had believed, confessed Jesus as Lord and repented AND for three days he fasted and prayed BUT he was still in his sins. He wasn’t finished yet. There was more he still needed to do before his conversion was complete.

Praying is basically talking to God and that is what we do from the beginning of salvation through His only begotten Son as we speak to Him giving our intentions of the heart.

Ok. You just said….Praying is what we do “from the beginning of salvation“. That I agree with. Once one has been obedient to the gospel and had their sins removed they are now a child of God and have all the spiritual blessings that are found in the family of God. Eph 1:3. All spiritual blessings are found “in Christ”. Wouldn’t prayer be a “spiritual blessing”? Then one needs to be “in Christ” in order for that to be available.

Look what Peter said in Acts 2:37-38 that after they heard the word of God they asked Peter what they needed to do and Peter said, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Salvation/faith comes by hearing the word of God. We do not work righteousness like it is being a part of any kind of works, but by obedience to God's commands God's righteousness is found in us.

Peter just said…repent and be baptized so that your sins can be removed. So, in order for one to have their sins removed which is salvation they must believe, repent, and be baptized in water. That is working righteousness. Its not our righteousness because we didnt make it up, we are only doing what God has commanded us to do. That is His righteousness. Ps 119:172.
That is what Acts 10 is talking about. The working righteousness that he accepts is His righteousness that comes from His word, not the stuff we make up like….accept Jesus as your personal savior and then pray for forgiveness in order to be saved. That would be working our own righteousnes since that message cannot be found in His word. Man made it up!

Rom 1 :16,17. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[for_his_glory]

Thats not what you said. You said that the humble can approach the throne and thats not just anybody. But now if you are saying that just anybody can approach and pray; do you have any verse that supports that position?

I said that anyone who has humbled their heart can come before the throne of God. If ones heart is hardened then how will God hear their prayers. Did you not humble your heart and commit yourself to God by accepting His only begotten Son Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

 

[for_his_glory]

Thats not what you said. You said that the humble can approach the throne and thats not just anybody. But now if you are saying that just anybody can approach and pray; do you have any verse that supports that position?

Where does it say that we are to “confess that we are sinners” to become a Christian? You just made that up or regurgitated it from some preacher like Franklin Graham. You are right in that we should believe and repent but the Bible tells us we are not through after repentance. Saul of tarsus had believed, confessed Jesus as Lord and repented AND for three days he fasted and prayed BUT he was still in his sins. He wasn’t finished yet. There was more he still needed to do before his conversion was complete.

Ok. You just said….Praying is what we do “from the beginning of salvation“. That I agree with. Once one has been obedient to the gospel and had their sins removed they are now a child of God and have all the spiritual blessings that are found in the family of God. Eph 1:3. All spiritual blessings are found “in Christ”. Wouldn’t prayer be a “spiritual blessing”? Then one needs to be “in Christ” in order for that to be available.

Peter just said…repent and be baptized so that your sins can be removed. So, in order for one to have their sins removed which is salvation they must believe, repent, and be baptized in water. That is working righteousness. Its not our righteousness because we didnt make it up, we are only doing what God has commanded us to do. That is His righteousness. Ps 119:172.
That is what Acts 10 is talking about. The working righteousness that he accepts is His righteousness that comes from His word, not the stuff we make up like….accept Jesus as your personal savior and then pray for forgiveness in order to be saved. That would be working our own righteousnes since that message cannot be found in His word. Man made it up!

Rom 1 :16,17. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Both of these verses deal with the prayer of commitment and prayer of faith as we realize we are sinners saved by God's grace for all have sinned and fallen short of His Glory.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

 

[Cnkw3]

I said that anyone who has humbled their heart can come before the throne of God. If ones heart is hardened then how will God hear their prayers. Did you not humble your heart and commit yourself to God by accepting His only begotten Son Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

No. I humbled my heart by being obedient to his plan for my salvation and not some preacher like billy Graham. Its not humble to say….God im going to do what Billy graham tells me to do for salvation instead of what you have commanded me to do. (And give many examples to back it up). All that is doing is spitting in Gods face and there’s nothing humble about that.

 

[Cnkw3]

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Both of these verses deal with the prayer of commitment and prayer of faith as we realize we are sinners saved by God's grace for all have sinned and fallen short of His Glory.

Where does any of the above verses say anything about prayer? Its not very humble to add things to Gods word that is not there. Actually god has condemned that very practice.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Paul is explaining to people who are already Christian’s where redemption is found…..vs 24. “In christ”. How does one get into Christ? We are baptized into Christ. Gal 3:26-29. How did these people in Rome find redemption? They were baptized into Christ. Most likely this church is made up of converts that were at Pentecost in acts 2 and then later went home after being scattered through persecution. Acts 8.

 

[for_his_glory]

No. I humbled my heart by being obedient to his plan for my salvation and not some preacher like billy Graham. Its not humble to say….God im going to do what Billy graham tells me to do for salvation instead of what you have commanded me to do. (And give many examples to back it up). All that is doing is spitting in Gods face and there’s nothing humble about that.

Where did I ever include to follow any Pastor in my post or within the scriptures I gave?

Can you explain what you mean by being obedient to His plan for your salvation and what that plan is according to your understanding?

 

[for_his_glory]

Where does any of the above verses say anything about prayer? Its not very humble to add things to Gods word that is not there. Actually god has condemned that very practice.

You are misunderstanding everything I have said. Not adding anything, but showing the scriptures in what God has instructed us to do in order to receive His Salvation through Christ Jesus.

Prayers consist of faith, consecration and commitment. There are prayers of worship and prayers of agreement that unite the whole body of Christ together as one in unison in Gods Spirit. Prayer is simply talking to Jesus, communicating and having fellowship with Him. Jesus is our mediator before the Father as we come before Him with a humbled heart knowing we are sinners that need His grace in order to be forgiven.

 

[Cnkw3]

Where did I ever include to follow any Pastor in my post or within the scriptures I gave?

Didnt you say…accept jesus and pray? Thats not from God

Can you explain what you mean by being obedient to His plan for your salvation and what that plan is according to your understanding?

do you have to hear the gospel? Yes or know?
Do you have to believe in Jesus and that he was raised from the dead? Yes or no?
Do you have to confess Christ? Yes or no?
do you have to repent? Yes or no?
Do you have to be baptized to have yours sins removed? Yes or no?
Do you have to live a faithful life? Yes or no?
Now please show me which one I can leave out and still be pleasing to God. When we look at all the examples of conversion in the book of acts will we see these people….hearing, believing, confessing, repenting and being baptized? Acts 2, acts 8, acts 10, acts 16, acts 18, acts 19, acts 22
Now if you believe in praying for salvation then show me all those examples.

 

[for_his_glory]

Didnt you say…accept jesus and pray? Thats not from God

do you have to hear the gospel? Yes or know?
Do you have to believe in Jesus and that he was raised from the dead? Yes or no?
Do you have to confess Christ? Yes or no?
do you have to repent? Yes or no?
Do you have to be baptized to have yours sins removed? Yes or no?
Do you have to live a faithful life? Yes or no?
Now please show me which one I can leave out and still be pleasing to God. When we look at all the examples of conversion in the book of acts will we see these people….hearing, believing, confessing, repenting and being baptized? Acts 2, acts 8, acts 10, acts 16, acts 18, acts 19, acts 22
Now if you believe in praying for salvation then show me all those examples.

I have answered all your questions and am done discussing this with you as all we are doing is reiterating over and over.

You have a good day.

 

[Cnkw3]

I have answered all your questions and am done discussing this with you as all we are doing is reiterating over and over.

You have a good day.

I answered your question and now you pass on answering mine? This is pretty typical of most people on these forums. You have your pet doctrine and when its challenged you bail. The question I asked is fundamental to everyone’s salvation. I find it interesting that someone who claims to love God wont go down this list and tell me through the scriptures which ones I can omit and still be pleasing to God.
Hear? Paul says you cant believe without hearing. Rom 10:14,15.
Belief? Jn 8:24, Mk 16:16
Confession? Mat 10:32, Rom 10:9,10
Repentance? Try acts 17:30, acts 2:38
Baptism? Try mk 16:16, acts 2:38. Acts 22:16, 1 pet 3:21. Rom 6:3,4
Faithfulness. Rev 2:10. 2 Tim 4:7. Paul said….I kept the faith!
Seems to me that all these are critical components to mans salvation. But i guess it dont matter to you becasue all I guess you have to do is just accept jesus and say some prayer. Where are those scriptures and examples?

 

[gordon777]

If you are confused how anyone is saved, don't be.

Jesus became poor for our sakes, ( 2 Corinthians 8:9) to take us away from being the true poor( who hear not rebuke Proverbs 13:8)

Everybody who hungers, is poor, is it not time to begin to see some wisdom ? ( Matthew 5:6. Isaiah 55:1. Ezekiel 34:14.)

The Shepherd came to find His sheep, and to feed them in a good pasture ( the good pasture is the word of God, and the words are Spirit and are life. John 6:63.)

The full souls cant find benefit in what the good Shepherd did( to lay His life down for the sheep) because they are filled with the sheep ( meat) but the sheep alone find all purpose in believing in the good Shepherd, as they die without Him, and now they live through Him.





Ezekiel 34:10 Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.