[_ Old Earth _] Monkeys can't breed human beings

[Orion]

I guess Slevin definitely won't be trying to prove God then. :-?


One question, Slevin. Would you be willing to say that there are things in the universe that perhaps can't be tested with the scientific method, yet could still be real? In other words, any method that we have wouldn't be able to give any positive results, yet the "phenomenon" has been seen, or detected by us on some level?

My point is, to say that it can't be tested doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't "truth", none the less. It could very well be the case that we haven't advanced enough to the point where we are ABLE to work up an experiment capable of results. :-?

 

[Slevin]

One question, Slevin. Would you be willing to say that there are things in the universe that perhaps can't be tested with the scientific method, yet could still be real? In other words, any method that we have wouldn't be able to give any positive results, yet the "phenomenon" has been seen, or detected by us on some level?

I would say that anything that we can experience can be scientifically examined.
But I'm no adherent to science as any type of dogma.

If you're asking if I believe in any aspect of the supernatural, then no.

My point is, to say that it can't be tested doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't "truth", none the less. It could very well be the case that we haven't advanced enough to the point where we are ABLE to work up an experiment capable of results. :-?

I didn't say that the lack of scientific investigation makes something false, so I don't know where you got that from.

 

[Orion]

I didn't want you to think that what I was saying was in response to what you have said. It was more a question of philosophy. My point is, perhaps that which we label as "supernatural" is just something that is too far advanced for us (currently) to have the means to experiment on that would produce results. There may come a time, in the future, where a test is conceived, an instrument devised, or whatever, that will take things which we label as "supernatural" and then give documentation on how it actually happens.

Just food for thought.

 

[Slevin]

I didn't want you to think that what I was saying was in response to what you have said. It was more a question of philosophy. My point is, perhaps that which we label as "supernatural" is just something that is too far advanced for us (currently) to have the means to experiment on that would produce results. There may come a time, in the future, where a test is conceived, an instrument devised, or whatever, that will take things which we label as "supernatural" and then give documentation on how it actually happens.

Just food for thought.

My problem with supernatural is that the term is vague and in many cases meaningless.

 

[Barbarian]

By proof I mean there is no evidence that can be shown to prove that evolution is true with no doubts.

That's true of gravity, too. Might be gravity fairies that like to pull everything toward the center of the Earth. Can't prove there aren't. Science can only give you enough evidence to make it foolish to deny evolution. This might seem wrong to you, but it works.

In the same way there is nothing I can do or show anyone to prove God exists, to show an unbeliever that he is for real. God has proved Himself to me, but to an unbeliever this is rubbish.

Right. You can't point to evidence, the way you can in science. It's your own personal experience with God.

 

[Orion]

I just happen to know that there ARE gravity fairies out there, so you're quite perceptive, Barbarian! :fadein:

 

[Heidi]

Right. You can't point to evidence, the way you can in science. It's your own personal experience with God.

:o Christians have evidence that each species breeds its own kind, humans rule over the animals, the sun gives light by day and, the moon and stars give light by night and are used to mark the months, seasons and years. So reality bears out ccreationism.

So where's the proof by evolutionists that monkeys are capable of breeding human descendants other than in the imagination? :o Nowhere, my friend. ;-) And that's precisely why scientists are now looking at other alternatives for the existence of man, including that we came from martians and volcanic debris. : : I just head that on the science discovery channel. So yes indeed, mythology is alive and well today in the field of science. :

 

[Slevin]

:o Christians have evidence that each species breeds its own kind, humans rule over the animals, the sun gives light by day and, the moon and stars give light by night and are used to mark the months, seasons and years. So reality bears out ccreationism.

So where's the proof by evolutionists that monkeys are capable of breeding human descendants other than in the imagination? :o Nowhere, my friend. ;-) And that's precisely why scientists are now looking at other alternatives for the existence of man, including that we came from martians and volcanic debris. : : I just head that on the science discovery channel. So yes indeed, mythology is alive and well today in the field of science. :

And you have demonstrated that you don't even read other peoples posts.

 

[Heidi]

And you have demonstrated that you don't even read other peoples posts.

I sure read the post to which I was responding. And what's foolish is to espouse the impossible absurdity that monkeys can breed human descendants. : So you are in error, friend.

 

[Quath]

I sure read the post to which I was responding. And what's foolish is to espouse the impossible absurdity that monkeys can breed human descendants. : So you are in error, friend.

If you are right and this is easily absurd, then why do 95% of all scientists and over 99% of life scientists believe that humans evolved? I would think that the more education one has, the easier it would be to spot absurdity.

There is a lot of evidence in fossils, DNA and other related fields. Evolution represents some of the most solid science we have. You can discount it as the Christians discounted the theory that the Earth moves around the Sun. You can use their same arguments. But eventually science tends to win these debates and Christians learn to re-interpret their Bible to match science.

 

[Slevin]

I sure read the post to which I was responding. And what's foolish is to espouse the impossible absurdity that monkeys can breed human descendants. : So you are in error, friend.

Please show me where I propose that monkeys breed humans. Please show me where any scientist proposes this?

 

[Heidi]

Please show me where I propose that monkeys breed humans. Please show me where any scientist proposes this?

Do you believe that humans descended from monkeys like evolutionists do? Yes or no. If yes, then since descendants are produced by the mating and breeding between their ancestor, then you absolutely are saying that monkeys breed human beings. But if you don't claim that humans are the descendants of monkeys, then you are not adopting the theory of evolution. So which is it? :-?

 

[Quath]

Do you believe that humans descended from monkeys like evolutionists do? Yes or no. If yes, then since descendants are produced by the mating and breeding between their ancestor, then you absolutely are saying that monkeys breed human beings. But if you don't claim that humans are the descendants of monkeys, then you are not adopting the theory of evolution. So which is it? :-?

Do you think that evolution says that monkey parents had a human baby?

 

[Barbarian]

Of course humans didn't evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are too evolved in other directions to have given rise to humans.

This issue illustrates the fact that creationists are not the enemy. Ignorance is the enemy.

When people learn what evolutionary theory actually says, they are much more likely to find it reasonable.

 

[Slevin]

Do you believe that humans descended from monkeys like evolutionists do?

Neither I nor evolutionists believe humans descended from monkeys.

If yes, then since descendants are produced by the mating and breeding between their ancestor, then you absolutely are saying that monkeys breed human beings. But if you don't claim that humans are the descendants of monkeys, then you are not adopting the theory of evolution. So which is it? :-?

False dichotomy, the theory of evolution does not say that humans are descendants of monkeys.

 

[pearlz]

And foolish it is. It's an embarrassment to the scientific world that it's taken 150 years for them to see that monkeys can't breed human beings. That's exactly what scientists are claiming when they say that humans are the descendants of apes or monkeys (they don't even know for sure because that notion is still imaginary) because mating and breeding between ancestors is what produces descendants.

The problem here is that again, you are saying evolution says that monkeys and humans can breed, and no matter how many times you are told that this isnt true, you continue to say this.

Its the same thing as this:

Me: Jesus died in the flood

Heidi: No, Jesus died on the cross

Me: No, the bible says everyone on earth except Noah and his family died in the flood.

Heidi: But Jesus wasnt born then, he died on the cross.

Me: No, the bible says everyone died in the flood.

Heidi: No, you arnt getting it pearlz, he was born after the flood.

Me: But the bible says everyone on earth but noah and his family died in the flood, so Jesus had to have died in the flood.

Heidi: pearlz...the bible never said Jesus died in the flood

Me: Yes is does, cause it says everyone on earth died except Noah and his family so that means Jesus died then to.

Heidi: Throws up her hands and walks away cause she realizes she cant argue with a person who has no idea what she is talking about.

pearlz declairs victory

This is what you do Heidi, you argue and argue a point that makes no sense at all because evolution has NEVER said humans and apes should be able to breed. And if they could, it would DISPROVE evolution, not prove it. So everytime you bring this up, you are actually proving a point for evolution, not the other way around.

 

[Relic]

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The Monkey's Disgrace

Three monkeys sat in a coconut tree
Discussing things as they are said to be
Said one to the others, "Now listen, you two,
There's a rumor around that can't be true."

"That man descended from our noble race
The very idea is a great disgrace.
No monkey has ever deserted his wife
Starved her babies and ruined her life."

"And you've never known a mother monk
To leave her babies with others to bunk
Or pass from one to another
Till they scarcely knew who is their mother."

"Here's another thing a monkey won't do
Go out at night and get on a stew
Or use a gun or club or knife
To take some other monkey's life."

"Yes, man descended, the ornery cuss
But, brother, he didn't descend from us."

~ author unknown ~


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[Barbarian]

Evolutionary science doesn't say that man evolved from monkeys, of course, but if you correct that, to say "primates", then it turns out that other primates do all of those things on occasion.

Imagine that. :o

 

[Heidi]

Evolutionary science doesn't say that man evolved from monkeys, of course, but if you correct that, to say "primates", then it turns out that other primates do all of those things on occasion.

Imagine that. :o

Since they haven't identified the original primates or that it was even a primate who supposedly turned into humans, then of course, it's still an imaginary scenario, and therefore anybody's guess. So sorry, but fantasies aren't facts, jsut fantasies. Therefore, the theory of evolution is jsut a fantasy, and a bizarre and impossible fantasy, as well. But it sure is entertaining. :

 

[blunthitta4life]

So sorry, but fantasies aren't facts, jsut fantasies. Therefore, the theory of evolution is jsut a fantasy, and a bizarre and impossible fantasy, as well. But it sure is entertaining.

Its funny how you can apply your same logic to Christianity or any other religion for that matter.

What proof is there for Christianity outside of the bible Heidi? Where does God exist? Where does heaven exist? How did God come to be?

Christianity is based on faith, which is belief without evidence. You sit here and criticize evolution for exactly the same reason you believe in Christianity. However, you are either a troll or just a very mislead person when it comes to evolution. You really need to stop posting the same things you have said over and over because it only makes your cause look foolish and ignorant.